how to power an arcade monitor

[Petesie]

im a total newbe.  i bought a gutted mortal kombat 2 machine a few weeks ago to convert to mame.  the machine was gutted as i said but everything that  was taken out was left lying in the base.

how do i wire up the monitor to the power supply???

[grantspain]

first thing you need to do is correctly identify your monitor make/model because some monitors require certain input voltages to work
for instance if you connect a nanao ms8 direct to the mains it will blow up as it needs an isolation transformer to run correctly
if you connect a hantarex polo1 to direct mains it will run perfectly

if you cannot id your monitor then provide some photos for us to id it

[fa001]

The Real Bob Roberts site has this article http://therealbobroberts.net/acwiring.html
It should be a starting point for you.

[Petesie]

thx for ur help folks.  i will get the model number for tou and also have a read later at bobs site.

quick response - excellant .

speak soon

peter

[Petesie]

sry 4got to add - all wiring and power supply is in the machine - i just need to know how to wire up please

[grantspain]

you will need to get a basic multimeter so you can check the voltages and earth,even now i never plug things in after rewiring without checking the voltages

what are you going to do with this cab,mame or jamma?

[Petesie]

im going to mame it hopefully!!!!!!!!
i was given a pc, monitor,speakers, keyboard and mouse free from a good mate. it was lying in a plastic crate in his boat shed so he said some1 should put it to use.  he didnt thik it still worked but goes 100%. its running windows 98 2nd edition so i think that means made in 1999 - has 8.4 gb hard drive,  should b enough for the games i want, not really into the new stuff, more sf2, golf greats, kung fu, pac land etc. i bought 2 new joysticks, ---steaming pile of meadow muffin--- loads of buttons, cherry switches and a fully wired i-pac so just clip and play i hope.  Andy at gremlin solutions has put up with a lot of phone calls  lolol but top bloke - would def buy from again cause he doesnt ---That which is odiferous and causeth plants to grow--- the answers he gives and if he doesnt know he will say.
the cab is in 95% new condition so  a few scrapes and scuffs but nowt that cant b fixed. full workin coin mech, marquee which looks like new for something made 15 years ago roughly. ive put the extra 6th button in for each player, coin button for each player, pin ball buttons/flippers on each side and 4 admin on the front of the control panel.  all buttons have been wired to ipac with a mates help. more fiddly than difficult even for 2 novices.  i have all my emulators and roms on my laptop so just a case of transfering onto disc and then loaded onto desktop.

i dont wanna replace my lovely 25 inch arcade monitor with a 17 inch pc 1 - that would kinda defeat the purpose and look daft in my cab so really the $64,000 question is how do i wire my monitor to my power supply and that to my pc, marque, speakers etc, by the way there r orig speakers in the cab as well as pc speakers. pc 1s r just a plug in so do i wire cab 1s to the power supply?

its been kinda not 2 difficult upto now - i just dunno were to start to wire this baby up. i have learned alot off the net over the last 3 months of surfin everything but cant seem to find step by step stuff on this part so donald ducked now. i will get the model of the monitor --tomorrow is too many letters to type so instead I'll just say the day after today-- nite - mate came round with a nice bag of weed, u no how things can hit the backburner for a day or 2  hehe.  And mayb  few pics 2 show u were im at would prop help 150%

any thoughs or sites or pics wold b a great help and thanks for ur help and interest

peter

[KDOG]

Here is all you need to get power to your monitor if requires an isolation transformer.  Read everything but the part about the switching power supply which you don't need since you are using a PC.
http://homearcade.org/BBBB/acwiring.html
Also if you don't need a the iso  transformer for your monitor you would just need to attach the cord the monitors board if one wasn't supplied.

Then get a surge protector and this from sears.
Here

[Petesie]

thx for the info KDOG - were gettin there i think with the info.  havent seen that site --BINGO! Either that, or I was attempting to say "before" but it was too many letters to type--.  i think i have all the bits in the picture bar the piece in the middle of the board. in work at mo so when i get home i will take pics of everyhting and post, therefore we can all c were im at and how to best proceed.

peter

[Petesie]

had a look at that switch - sry, forgot to say im in IRELAND so i take it thats USA plug connectors??

looks a great bit of kit

[Petesie]

just bought a multi meter from ebay for £4.39 - BARGAIN.

USEFUL BIT OF KIT I SAY AT THAT PRICE

[Petesie]

right i went to my garage to check the monitor - here goes!!!!!!

it a HANTAREX Mod.: Polo 25''        220-240 Vac        50-60Hz 0.9A    IMQ N.V3373

HAVE I READ THIS IS A PLUG IN JOB - HERES HOPING

ALL IDEAS WELCOME

I HAVE LOADS OF PHOTOS - NO IDEA HOW TO PUT ALONG WITH THIS - HELP!!!!!!!!!!!!

[grantspain]

well nice and easy for you,this monitor can plug straight to the wall socket.
it is better for this to go through a main filter first(which i expect your cab has) as this will counter any surges
tbh if you are intending to install a pc then just install an antisurge extension lead and you can then plug the pc and monitor into that
i use www.picoodle.com for uploading my images,its real easy

hantarex polo 1 are a 15khz only monitor(low resolution),to connect this to a pc you will need either a avga card or a vga card that supports low res and use soft 15k

this monitor should not require a video amp

[Petesie]

HAPPY DAYS

CANT UP LOAD PICS- EASY FOR U PAIN FOR ME AND CANT BE BOTHERED TO LEARN TO BE HONEST. IF U PM UR E-MAIL MY WIFE CAN SEND YOU THE WHOLE LOT IN ONE GO SO YOU CAN HOPEFULLY TELL ME WOT I DO AND DONT NEED TO USE

HOW TO I CONNECT A WIRE TO MONITOR AND THEN TO PLUG. THERE ARE CONNECTORS COMING OUT OF THE MONITOR BOARD BUT NO NORMAL COAX CABLE???

I KNOW IM DUMB BY THE WAY.  JUST WANNA B 150% SURE, I KNOW THIS MONITOR IS EXPENSIVE AND IS IN GREAT NICK NO DONT WANNA WRECK IT

[grantspain]

the left hand plug is for the monitor voltage,from left to right its live/earth/neutral 220-240 vac normal european mains voltage

the right hand plug is for the video signal(from the game board or pc),from left to right its vertical sync/horizontal(composite sync)/video ground/blue/green/red

[Petesie]

ok - im looking at it and there already is a blue, green and brown wire already plug in to the board so i will wite that to a plug - Cheers for that.
The green connectror has from left to right - white, blank, black, blue, green, red - wot do i do with these??

[Petesie]

by the way the mains waires - earth inst in plug its earthed to chassis of monitor - is that ok?

[grantspain]

the earth to the chassis is fine on the mains input

the other wires on the green connector have to be connected to whatever system you are using,if you are using a pc with mame then you will connect the pc video card-the easy option is to use a ultimarc avga card and a vga breakout cable
http://www.ultimarc.com/avgainf.html
i was incorrect about one very silly thing on a earlier reply,the horizontal sync is pin 6 not pin 5 of the video input plug

[Petesie]

Does anyone know that this guy is the bomb  lol
will deffinately get those two bits from ultimarc.
so ur saying that the wires in have in the green connector are perfect??

[Petesie]

sorry forgot to say - i dont need this black power box thingy then  lolol
if not its on ebay tomorrow  hehe

[grantspain]

well thats the most simple method of connecting your pc,there are cheaper alternatives but involves installing soft 15k and getting a vga card that supports low res specs-i am not sure how tech you are with pc so thats why i recommend the ultimarc route,also its important to note that andy at ultimarc gives good backup if you get a problem

and yes i am saying that the green connector(video input) is wired perfectly correctly

you should read all the info on the ultimarc site concerning the vga card/breakout cable and the i-pac that you are going to install

black box thingy?sounds like a switch mode power supply,if so then you do not need it
any photos yet so i can be sure

[Petesie]

thank god - thought i bought a big project here!!!!
have loads of pics - wife next door at a birthday party with son - im gettin a few hours peace and smoking time so really dont wanna disturb her lolol.

so in a nut shell i need the vga card and wire from andy at ultimarc and a antisurge 4 way adapter and im fully sorted?  ipac already connected up by the way along with all new buttons, cherryswitches and j-sticks etc from andy at gremlin

[Petesie]

i will send u pics today at some stage and u can get back to me when u can.  cheers buddy for all ur help
Simple yet Very Effective. who says these sites arent useful

[Petesie]

these things keep popping in my nugget  after i post  lolol

could i power the monitor on with antisurge to check all ok?

[Petesie]

no i mean without antisurge

[grantspain]

you can power up the monitor,you will hear a static flash and see a orange glow from the neck of the tube-i doubt you will see anything on the screen
if you take anything out like the power supply then make sure you insulate/make safe any bare wires

i bet your cab already has a mains filter which acts like an antisurge anyway
mains filter look like this and are connected right where the power lead enters the cab

[Petesie]

nowt on screen as u say but very faint buzz in siund so assume all ok.

were the mains enter the cab there is a metal bracket that when door closed presses a switch down.  also there is an on/off switch.
where the wire enters on the back of panel s a small silver box(matchbox size) with 3 prongs on it?

[Petesie]

should i cut of plug from anti surge and connec t to these 3 prongs via connectors like on the buttons??

[grantspain]

to be perfectly honest i would not change any of the power wiring in your cab,it will be wired to high european standards
this make it real easy for you to connect the pc as all you will need to do is join the power supply mains wire to a kettle lead using connector strip
you don't really need the anti surge stuff,if you want to install it then fine but unless you have serious power surges and tropical storms in your part of Ireland then i doubt its needed

[Petesie]

im confusing myself - i mean cut plug of standard 4 way gang and attach cable to 3 prongs and the to surge protector??

[Petesie]

the cab came with a 5 foot mains cable attached. i have a 4 way gang here with connectors so just cut the plug of 4 gang and attach to 3 pins on back of mains input??

[Petesie]

is it poss to take the plastic covers of the croc clips without busting them??

[grantspain]

yeah you can do that,just make sure you use insulated spade terminals if you connect to the door switch,otherwise just use some connector block and connect the 4 way to the ac wires of the power supply
the power supply is not needed so if you disconnect the 2 ac and the earth wires you can join them to the 4 way(you must use something like connector block or a junction box of some kind)

what croc clips???

[Petesie]

lost u there matey.

i assume i will - - - - - connect monitor plug, marquee, pc etc to a 4 way adapter in the cab.  i will cut the plug of and attach 3 metal clips like the  ones in an ipac etc. attach these 3 clips to the surge with the 3 prongs thats attached to the mains outlet at bottom of cab. then the kettle lead as u call it to the mains.  when i want it all on just flick the mains switch.

is all that right??

[Petesie]

my only small issue i have then is wot do i connect speaker wires to,  pc ones prob just wont b the same.

[grantspain]

bloody hell you ask a lot of questions very quickly
always take the nice,simple options-do not change any of the wiring for the marquee/monitor/door switch and on off switch,leave it as it is
just connect the 4 way to the power supply ac wiring using a connector block


you will need either pc powered speakers or a small amplifier

[Petesie]

nice diagram!!!
will  get an amp for the speakers cause they r hugh - terrible to waste them.

im a newbe - i think ur forgettin  lolol

u want me to use the black power supply now.  would my way work and would it be easier???

plugs and the like would b my limit - ur taking bout using stuff ive no idea about although i think i have here wot ur talking bout.

its in the pics- nim gonna get the wife in a minute

its a small metal thing with 5 plastic plugs on it and 5 screws for earthing i assume - do i use this??

[grantspain]

no you are gonna get rid of the power supply and just utilise the ac wiring that it has and join it to the 4 way
by doing it this way you do not have to make any changes whatsoever except removing the old power supply which is no longer needed
if you start moving loads of wires,as in your idea,you may find that the cab could be become unsafe and as you are a noob you really want to take the easy,safe option

[Petesie]

so in a newbe sentence - - - - connect monitor plug, marguee pug and pc plug to a 4 way extension and then plug into the wall.

[grantspain]

so in a newbe sentence - - - - connect monitor plug, marguee pug and pc plug to a 4 way extension and then plug into the wall.

no
leave all the wiring as it is and just connect the 4 way extension cable to the power supply ac cable
its a 2 second job,

[Petesie]

ok so in my english cause u have vast experience - - monitor, marquee and pc all have plugs. these connect to a 4 way gang. u want me to connect my 4 gang to my kettle lead (as u put it - i kike this terminology  lollol) but cuttin plug of gang and connector of kettle plug and join together???

[grantspain]

no,you misunderstand me
i need to see these photos as i need to see whats be done to the cab and how it is wired

[Petesie]

u will have pics in under 10 minutes matey if uve time

[Petesie]

just sent them

[Petesie]

any good??

[Petesie]

did u not get them??

[grantspain]

get 'em,did you do this wiring?

[Petesie]

all i did was put a plug on the marquee cable and on the 3 wires on the monitor otherwise how it was

[Petesie]

sorry i also wired up the ipac to the buttons and j-sticks

[Petesie]

have i made you think twice about helping me   lolol

[Petesie]

i take it by your non response the wiring is totally wrong and your lost?

[grantspain]

nah,i was eating my dinner
filetes de cerdo con salsa champiñones y patatas fritas

o.k yes what you said
all you need to do is connect the 4 way to that mains input socket,so all you need to do is put spade connectors on the 4 way cable

[Petesie]

so in my words cut the plug of the 4 way - connect spade(croc clips  lolol) to the 3 wires and then connect to the silver box on the mains were the kettle cord connects to. yes

[Petesie]

wot u think of the cab and the pics - ur thoughts from experience would be good please

[grantspain]

yes connect your 4 way to the main input socket,this is a filter as well btw(thats good)-using insulated spade terminal(croc clips)
so connect to this


gonna look at your pics somes more now

[grantspain]

yes a smashing cab,worked on loads of these-fantastic for mame as you have so much space on the control panel to add as many control as you like(within taste)
very solid cab these midway cabs
its also is very good condition

[Petesie]

more photos on the way and 1 of me

[Petesie]

thats why i went for this - looked at 100's on ebay and got this for £100. just sold the mother and daughter board on ebay for £41. spent £85 on buttons, switches, j-sticks and ipac so stands me £145 and by looking at that vga card i think i will have a top machine for £200 or roughly 240 euro. not bad i think as these are selling on ebay for £300-£400 plus £50 delivery.

your totally right about the control panel - loads of room to work with for extra buttons. my only gripe is i the middle buttons arent in line -instead of a new control panel just drilled a hole above - mortal kombat only uses 5 for some stang reason i do not know and care to learn either. i mean  this is was made in 1992 i think so not bad for its age. wont getmany abuse with me so should staythat way

[Petesie]

any ideas on how to open these croc clips up man. thats some of amsterdams finest in that pic so its kinda hard to see  lolol.  i have loads of these buy the way just no new ones - only need 3 so got 20 to break  llololol

[Petesie]

by the way - couldnt have done it without you man - top bloke to give your time free like that.  if theres anything in that box that could be of use to you just let me know and ill stick them in the post free of charge cause i dont need it so better put to good use elsewhere.

does this site give out awards - i think i'll donate cause ive been looking at this cab for weeks thinking wot i was gonna do and youve sorted it in a few hours!!!!!!!!!!!

[Petesie]

were bouts in uk are you?

[grantspain]

yo no worries,
used to train techs for coin op companies(still do),nice pics btw -is that a spliff
don't throw out the coin controls credit board as you will need that if you want to utilise the c220 coin mech
interesting,in the 2nd pic there is a small pcb near the coin mech-it looks like an amp,where does it go to?
i am not in the u.k,i live in spain hence the spanish"filetes de cerdo"stuff,i am originally from kent
i am surprised you use u.k plugs in ireland(unless you are from ulster that is)
the 3rd pic reminds me of a pasta dish i made the other day
difficult sometimes for me to explain things as i have been doing this every day for 22 years so i tend to forget people do not know some of the technical words i use
make sure you keep us updated with this project and if you need any advice just pm or post

[Petesie]

ive just worked out how to wire this up - ive just tuned into reality  lolol  like some1 turned the light on. i can see it glowing above me - i'll use the small plastic connecters u see in ceiling roses!!!!!!! im good  lolol

[grantspain]

yep,its called connector strip-like i said 4 hours ago

[Petesie]

if pic 2 is pointing at the coin mech then the  small board hanging is all the controls for the monitor - brightness, contrast ect and the thing on the shelf is the guts of the pc speakers. drilled a few holes and mouned the speakers beside the coin mech(sound from below and above is my thinking).   that is the board from the speaker with the volume and on/off  button

[Petesie]

ok ok ur explanation could have been better master obi wan,  lolol

[Petesie]

have i been stoned for 4 hours then - this is good man - lolol

[Petesie]

were bouts in spain - i go to my mates house in villa martin, - 15 south of torrevica couple times a year with my family

[Petesie]

see that cable u were talkin bout with the vga card - is it the same as the cable coming out of the monitor i have. if so i will happily cut it off and wire it up to the wires on the green socket on the monitor board??

[grantspain]

have i been stoned for 4 hours then - this is good man - lolol

yes i thought so
connector block/terminal block/connector strip


so you have been wiring this up as we have been talking

torrevieja is over near alicante i think,i am near malaga

you can use any vga cable just follow ultimarcs instructions

[Petesie]

yes i have been wiring and talking. yea we fly in alicante or mercia - hire car 1 hour away ok will look at ultimarc and take a pair of cutters to this wire on the pc.  thx again.  as soon as i get the vga wired and games transfered onto pc ill send u some pics of my triumph!!!!

[Petesie]

do u want anything in that box???

[grantspain]

thanks for the offer mate,i have a multitude of spares so i don't require anything-my company pays for everything

[Petesie]

i have cut this wire off and opened it upits got BLACK, WHITE,ORANGE, BROWN,TOURQUISE and 3 which r wrapped in metal, they r - WHITE, PALE BLUE AND PINK - wheres the red?
im away to the chinese for 10 mins- be back soon if ur still awake

[grantspain]

the trouble with vga cables is they do not have the same colour code as an arcade standard wiring,this is when you need  a multimeter to trace which wire goes to which pin and the ultimarc breakout guide.
a big word of warning-do not attempt to power this monitor using a normal vga card or you will blow the horizontal output transistor

mmmm,chinese-now i am hungry

[Petesie]

i bought a multimetr from ebay yesterday so should b with me soon. i take its easy to check wot wire i need via the diagram on ultimarc?? so wot card aeactley do i need to ask andy for??

[Petesie]

chinese was delicous by the way

[grantspain]

well you seem to learning very quickly so maybe you do not need to take the arcade vga card route,check this post and read
http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?topic=66402.0
you would need a card that will support the low resolutions needed for the polo chassis,if you want the easy plug and play option then you need this
http://www.ultimarc.com/avgainf.html
as long as your pc mobo supports agp or pci,you would need to state which you need

in my opinion if this is your first mame build then get both the arcade vga card and the vga breakout cable from ultimarc as you cannot go wrong,plenty of support and in the future with the experience you have gained you can dabble a bit with other options

this is your call mate,you're pretty well atm

what did you get from the chinese??

[Petesie]

after reading that 1st one i think i will spend £50 because i cant be arsed with figuring out wot they r talking about. Andy will be getting a call on monday morning.

sweet and sour chicken cantonese style and fried rice

[grantspain]

was it egg fried or chicken fried rice
man you made me real hungry now,i am gonna get a chinese tomorrow and watch war of the worlds on the telly
special fried rice,lemon chicken and spare ribs

[Petesie]

egg fried - gotta go its 12 midnite and ive neglected the wife all nite so speak soon dude

[Petesie]

morning grant - ur up early.

late to bed, early to rise eh.

im sooooo happy at the work i did yesterday so today im gonna finish plastering the inside of my patio. the outsides done so nearly there, couple of hours should dust it. the wifes been bursting balls so if i do this today it means full commitment and time to my cab when i fel like doing it.

[grantspain]

 

[Petesie]

neighbour had a wire stripper - thank god, my fingers were sliced to bits  lol.   all wires stripped and ready to be hooked to amp, vga card and ive stripped that vga cable from the pc. hopefully with my multimeter i can put it to good use.  best tp try 1st and then if i cant do it i wil buy 1 from andy at ultimarc - thats my thinin anyway

[Petesie]

email on its way with updates - tell me wot u think buddy

[Petesie]

soooo much for the plastering - it will keep to next weekend  lol.    or the next - i might wire up my vga card next week and get her going.  prop should do the plastering today cause if i get this workin it could be next year  lolol

[grantspain]

hahaha,
your wiring is o.k,not great but will suffice-looks safe(ish)
the final picture which you ask about the marquee earth,all exposed metal parts should be linked the earth-you can attach this earth the the monitor metal frame

[Petesie]

any thoughts on making it saferand better - wot exactley is not sake with it??

[Petesie]

those 2 wires and the earth all come from the speakers - not the light - still ok to attach to monitor frame?

[grantspain]

those 2 wires and the earth all come from the speakers - not the light - still ok to attach to monitor frame?

you really need to see where that earth goes,remove the game legend and just see where the earth goes to be certain

i was just being picky on the safety front,don't concern yourself its o.k

[Petesie]

removing the marquee now master obi wan - ive started smokin again - shouldnt do things like that on sunday afternoon  lolol.

speaker earth wired up to mon chassis - check

[grantspain]

speakers should not need an earth,get me pics of the marquee internally

[Petesie]

5 minutes and they will be with u

[grantspain]

just link the earth wire to monitor frame,should be fine

[Petesie]

as u can prop tell - i didnt do this wiring, its how i got it
u could tell that anyway cause its nice and neat  lolol

[grantspain]

well the wiring is inside the cab so its not important how pretty it is,whats important is the quality of connection and safety
so now all you have to do is run some voltage and earth tests with the multimeter then wait for the avga card and you should be rolling

[Petesie]

wot size and how much should i spend on an amp - anyideas on wot to buy or would most amps do the job - im not looking to burst eardrums just enough effect for mates to want one   lolol

[Petesie]

its nearly there your right - its like being 12 again on christmas eve - 1 more sleep left  lololololol

[grantspain]

i would use powered stereo pc speakers,gut them and install the board/control part in the coin door area for access then just connect to your original speakers-but i though you have already done that

[Petesie]

yes i have the pc speakers done but i thought u needed a separate amp for the cab speakers??    plus id have to solder these wires on - havent done that --BINGO! Either that, or I was attempting to say "before" but it was too many letters to type--

[grantspain]

nah just use the guts of the pc speakers to run your cab speakers,maybe you have a friend or neighbour that can help with the soldering

[Petesie]

the pc board is really small - can it handle all that wattage and be safe and loud?

[Petesie]

i keep looking at things to do in this  here goes again

on the coin door the is a small light with 2 thin red and black wires coming from it.  how do i wire power to this light - have a read that you cut open the pc power cable and wire to this???

one wire is a 5 volt and another is 12 - which one is which??

[grantspain]

thats a 12v bulb(as its u.k spec)
the black wires should be ground/common
the red wires are 12v dc
you can open you pc case and find a spare 4 way power supply connector(like the one that plugs to the cdrom drive)
on a pc power supply the 4 way plug is
black=ground/common
red=+5dc
yellow=+12vdc
you could use something like this to connect
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/4-PIN-MOLEX-PC-POWER-SPLITTER-CABLE-LEAD-TO-2-X-5-25_W0QQitemZ180269241341QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item180269241341&_trksid=p3286.m14.l1318

[Petesie]

is there anyway i can utilise this mass of wires ive got??

i know its only £2 but i wanna try out something today

[grantspain]

yeah you connect using the old wires you have and some connector block

[Petesie]

check ur email

[grantspain]

your cab is gonna get real messy if you start chopping up wires and using connector block,i would suggest investing in a cheap soldering iron and some of those connectors i showed you,you can get those connectors in kit form from pc shops or maplins

none of those connectors you emailed will fit straight to pc power connector,but obviously you could cut the wires off and use them

i think you are rushing this,rome was not built in one day

[Petesie]

if i was rushing it i would be doing it without asking - i think im being sensible by  asking if i do this would it work?

chill - im definately taking my time - dont wanna ruin our  hard work.

is that thing from ebay a simply connect up?

[Petesie]

i cant see were that thing wires to the back of my pc - ive never opened up a pc so totally lost there - need advice

[grantspain]

your bulb will work if you connect it to +12 and ground,at some point you will need +12 and +5 for the coin controls credit board as well if you want the coin mech to work
2 ways you can do this,either connect in to the pc power supply or you can use the old cab psu

i would re-use the cab power supply myself as it will make things more simple in the long run(and cost bugger all)
 
photos of the psu first before you connect it please

[Petesie]

i put the power supply on ebay last nite as u said i didnt need it   lolol

[grantspain]

i put the power supply on ebay last nite as u said i didnt need it   lolol

don't matter,just utilise the pc internal power supply

[Petesie]

ok so if i open up the pc power supply what do i connect my 2 red/black wires to then?

[grantspain]

all the info needed is here
http://www.helpwithpcs.com/courses/power-supply-basics-inc-pinouts.htm

[Petesie]

nice site but you might as well speak to me in russian - need simple to follow steps in a small paragragh would do the very best if you can please.

[grantspain]

nice site but you might as well speak to me in russian - need simple to follow steps in a small paragragh would do the very best if you can please.

hahaha,
look for these plugs in the pc case(make sure it one not being used,there are always spares),you can use either


connect the black wire of the bulb to the either of the two black wires on the power supply plug,connect the red wires of the bulb to the yellow wire of the power supply plug

[Petesie]

only thing is - both my wires from the coin light are red and black!!!

[Petesie]

found the 2 spare plugs in the pc so wot now master

[grantspain]

does not matter with a bulb which way around the wires go,connect one bulb wire to the yellow and the other to the black of the pc power supply plug

please remember this is a unique situation,EVERY other time the connection of the ground and +12v would be extremely important

[Petesie]

2 questions - 1 - why is this unique so i know and 2 how do i clamp the wires into this connector in the pc and how do the wires come out of pc when finished?

[Petesie]

i will send u email of pics from pc so u se owt i see.

[Petesie]

roast beef time - will be 15 minutes

[grantspain]

this is unique as a bulb is not polarity sensitive,in other words you can plug a bulb in either way around
almost all components that need a voltage to run are polarity sensitive,i.e if you connect a capacitor in back to front it will explode

get it?

cut the black and yellow wires of the pc plug/connect to the bulb using connector block/drill or bend a hole in the pc case or run the wires through a gap in the back

[Petesie]

check ur mail in 2 minutes matey

[Petesie]

ok cut the black and yellow of te connector and put them trought small vents in back of machine - typical, ive run out of connector blocks, im away on the borrow - wont b long, as everyone has these

[grantspain]

ok cut the black and yellow of te connector and put them trought small vents in back of machine - typical, ive run out of connector blocks, im away on the borrow - wont b long, as everyone has these

yes


one slight problem mate,your pc mobo does not have an agp or pci slot for a vga card

[Petesie]

ok so wot do i do bout that then master?

[grantspain]

ok so wot do i do bout that then master?

well that pc is just about useless for mame,there is no way the onboard graphics will support custom resolution and the cpu will run so slow that some of the games will be freezing

[Petesie]

i have a good mate who wsorks for fijitsu so upgrade of parts shouldnt be a problem if i can do that to this pc - any ideas on wot i might need?

[grantspain]

i have a good idea what you need,
a new mobo bundle,something a lot more powerful than you have atm
and a new power supply as a new mobo will not run on the one you have

you could buy the lot on ebay for a few quid

[Petesie]

spell it out for me - im looking on ebay for wot exactley?

[grantspain]

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Asrock-K8Upgrade-760GX-Motherboard-with-AMD-64-3000-CPU_W0QQitemZ280248179502QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item280248179502&_trksid=p3286.m14.l1318
something like this

[Petesie]

ok thx for that good info.  is there no way of upgrading it cause im 100% my mate has parts coming outta his ears.

[grantspain]

you need a motherboard that has either a agp or pcie slot(from this you can order the avga card)
try to get a mobo with onboard sound
the processor needs to be over 2ghz
a nice amount of ram
then of course you need a power supply with the guts to run it all

[Petesie]

on the phone with my fijitsu/siemens mate now to see wot he has - will report back soon

[Petesie]

my mate has nowt but is gonna look on the bay after he has his dinner to see wots the best one to buy!

[Petesie]

so i can do no more today then - bummer

[Petesie]

ordered a new motherboard for my pc - s/thing with a bit more juice - 2.4ghz 160mb ram and a 160gig external hard drive for all the music for the jukebox function.
also spoke to andy at ultimarc and ordered a arcade vga card( agp version)today so should be with me soon and then i can wire this baby up

[grantspain]

remember that your pc psu needs the guts to run your new set up or it will freeze up and reset

[Petesie]

forgot to add grant that i also ordered a new 400 watt pc psu as well.

[Petesie]

i will email u a few pictures of my googies i bought if ur interested?