Ultimarc Spinner details...

[vader]

What he may not have in product lineup he more than makes up in the way he treats people.  You really need to step back and look at what you type before attacking a much more respected member of this community than yourself.

I have no interest in competing for your favor.  Your posts pretty much point out how futile that endeavor will be.

My customers know much better who I am than you purport to.

RandyT

I really could care less of what you think of me, but every post you make like this you further alienate yourself from others who may have been interested in purchasing your products.  It's a real shame your this way, I've spent my good money on your products and while I enjoy them I wouldn't spend another dime simply because of your attitude towards people.  Since your successful, I guess it doesn't matter if you lose a customer here and there.

[CheffoJeffo]

I apologize to Randy if I came across as callous or speaking out without fully understanding the situation between GGG and Ultimarc and who brought different innovations to market first.

Of everybody in this thread, you are the guy who doesn't owe anybody an apology ... you called it as you saw it while many others (myself included) just let yet another "Randy-vs-Andy-threadcrap-fest" run wild. Frankly, I expect that most find it boring (almost like reading my posts!) without an authoritative 3rd party talking details about the specifications.

 

[Chris G]

What he may not have in product lineup he more than makes up in the way he treats people.  You really need to step back and look at what you type before attacking a much more respected member of this community than yourself.

I have no interest in competing for your favor.  Your posts pretty much point out how futile that endeavor will be.

My customers know much better who I am than you purport to.

RandyT

As one of your (repeat) customers, I don't think you're doing yourself any favors with the tone of your posts.  Regardless of the truth of the situation, you seem more interested in being "right" than anything else.  As a smart businessman in a small community, it would seem to be to your advantage to find a way to present your position in a more tactful and professional manner.

[erictrumpet]

Randy's arrogant posts in this thread strengthen my long-standing personal decision to always seek alternatives to GGG. I never intend to purchase a single GGG product as long as he maintains this type of combative posture against every small-scale manufacturer who brings a great product to market for us.

Eric.

[Xiaou2]

 Actually, if one looks back,  one should be able to find out that
 
  the Idea is actually  MINE.

 
 I had created the idea for a pushbutton mount spinner YEARS before either
of these two.

 I believe I actually Re-posted the Idea on this board... and Randy came out with shortly afterwards.

 
 I find it incredibly funny how Randy is complaining of copycatting.. when
he's usually the culprit.   Wasnt there a few guys here who tried to make
and sell devices,   and didnt get two months in before Randy made a device
that did the same thing?!    Bubbading (led controller),  and a  Rotary
controller I believe as well.

 

[Xiaou2]

 I had created this even before this date...  However,  heres the info
from my homestead acct:

 
 Name:  Spinner_V2.gif
 
 Size:  13K
 
 Last Updated:  09/09/2003 01:01:41 GMT
 
 URL:  http://xiaou2.homestead.com/Spinner
_V2.gif
 

[DrewKaree]

Actually, if one looks back,  one should be able to find out that
 
  the Idea is actually  MINE.

You should TOTALLY sue everyone! 

[Xiaou2]

 Id settle for 4 brand new spinners for my next project...   

[DaveStall]

I had created this even before this date...  However,  heres the info
from my homestead acct:

 
 Name:  Spinner_V2.gif
 
 

That's a nice design, but I don't see much similarities with the other two spinners in question.  The main reason I went with the TT2 was to get away from having the optic board mounted on a bracket that is separate from the spinner itself.  Not having a large encoder wheel is another big plus.  That reminds me more of the old Oscar spinner design.

[RandyT]

I find it incredibly funny how Randy is complaining of copycatting.. when
he's usually the culprit.   Wasnt there a few guys here who tried to make
and sell devices,   and didnt get two months in before Randy made a device
that did the same thing?!    Bubbading (led controller),  and a  Rotary
controller I believe as well.

Ahh it's turning into a real "who's who" of RandyT haters.  What took you so long Steve?

As for the LED controller, it started well before Buddabing with a project interestingly entitled L.A.M.E. by a fellow named DinoRoger in late 03'.  Dino started an LED controller project, made a lot promises, and then disappeared never to be heard from again.  There was much wailing and disappointment in the ranks, so I added the task to my "to do" list, working on it between other projects.  Buddabing decided to do the same, with both of us working in very different directions.  You can read more about that portion of history here....

And you pulled out that "spinner" drawing (having never published it anywhere) when the TT2 was first released.  A for effort and all, but it's no more similar now than it was then.

I believe I actually Re-posted the Idea on this board... and Randy came out with shortly afterwards.

You also believe some other pretty bizarre stuff, so it's not surprising that your above belief is also terribly inaccurate.   It shouldn't be too hard to find your time stamped post and provide a link if you really think you did.  Just as I did with the LED controller thing above.

RandyT

[Xiaou2]

Ahh it's turning into a real "who's who" of RandyT haters.  What took you so long Steve?



 Randy..   Really Man,  really.    I dont Hate anyone.   There are a few I strongly dislike  (and your not even on that short list)  ... but I dont hate.

 If we roll back the clock and view posts.. the evidence would show you as
throwing insults and personal attacks at me.   Yet, its rare that I ever return that.
   

And you pulled out that "spinner" drawing (having never published it anywhere) when the TT2 was first released.  A for effort and all, but it's no more similar now than it was then.

 LoL.  That drawing had most likely been posted before.   But certainly those
pics of my original spinner Were published Long ago, probably several times...
and many of the pics have existed on my sites main page from the time of
build.
 
 The real genius idea here is the mounting method.   The optics are
technology that you didnt invent.   They simply became available to be used,
and thus made it easier to compact the design.   


Quote
I believe I actually Re-posted the Idea on this board... and Randy came out with shortly afterwards.

You also believe some other pretty bizarre stuff, so it's not surprising that your above belief is also terribly inaccurate.   It shouldn't be too hard to find your time stamped post and provide a link if you really think you did.  Just as I did with the LED controller thing above.

RandyT

 
  Another attempt at a personal attack.  Such a shame you have to be
like that.   This attitude really only paints you a darker color in the eyes of
others.


 Ill look up my post later.   Shouldnt be too hard to find.   My time is limited these
days, as Ive got back into the martial arts again.


 Anyways, its clear that my Idea came YEARS before  "your?"  idea.   Way Back
before the very 1st (arcade) rotating control panel.


 To those who cant clearly understand my pic:   Its a main single piece that
contains the Top mount + one side of the bearings holder.   

 The other side of the bearing holder snaps in place,  and then you screw the
two halves together with the plastic nut - just like a happs button...Both tightening
the button to the panel... and sealing the two bearing halves together.

 
 I wanted to make it all Translucent, so would Glow like the Tron stick.
The top mount is shaped like the Disc that you stand on in Discs of Tron.
(or the discs that you shoot)      Would have went really nice with a Red
Tron stick.... or  make spinner red or maybe neon glowing green...

 There was experiments with up/down as well  (as you can see from the pic with
the spring).   The motion worked well... however..  building a device that would
ride with it did not work well.

 The biggest failure factors were inexperience, costs, and the wrong materials.
Ahh well... at least I tried...   
 

Edit:

 Heres the evidence of my design/creations posted years before:


 http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?topic=11511.0

[TPB]

Randy,

It's not in your interests to display a bitter, "sour grapes" attitude.

No-one has a God-given right to disparage their competitors.

Your products are great.  But Ultimarc's products are equally great, and they are entitled to compete, as are other vendors.

I realise you're an emotive person, and that can be a good thing (it drives the passion you have for your products).  But emotion must be tempered and controlled.

Andy has never resorted to arrogance or nastiness.  He always demonstrates an impeccable standard of vendor behaviour.  An example to follow.

[TPB]

Ahh it's turning into a real "who's who" of RandyT haters.  What took you so long Steve?

Randy,

I'm not aware of the personal history you have with individual forum members, so maybe there's something behind that comment that I'm unaware of.

But to be fair, you set the ball rolling, in terms of the anger in this thread.

You obviously feel strongly about your point of view, but some things are better left unsaid.

All's fair in love, war, and vendor competition.   

[TOK]

Randy..   Really Man,  really.    I dont Hate anyone.   There are a few I strongly dislike  (and your not even on that short list)  ... but I dont hate.
 If we roll back the clock and view posts.. the evidence would show you as
throwing insults and personal attacks at me.   Yet, its rare that I ever return that.

Yea, we'd have to roll the clock all the way back to a couple months ago to find you threatening a moderator with physical harm and getting temporarily banned. If anyone comes out with a steamroller wheel covered with game controllers, then I'll believe you're getting ripped off.

[Xiaou2]

 Twisting things around bases on circumstantial bullying,
 will not change the REAL facts here.

 
 And as one can see from the past history, its not only me who has been bullied
by such  'Prestigious'  personalities here...

[RoomTenONine]

Andy has never resorted to arrogance or nastiness.  He always demonstrates an impeccable standard of vendor behaviour.  An example to follow.

Andy is English...that behavior is his nature.  Randy is from New York...loudly voicing emotion is his nature.    Sorry, this thread needs some ---smurfing--- levity.

[RoomTenONine]

Randy..   Really Man,  really.    I dont Hate anyone.   There are a few I strongly dislike  (and your not even on that short list)  ... but I dont hate.
 If we roll back the clock and view posts.. the evidence would show you as
throwing insults and personal attacks at me.   Yet, its rare that I ever return that.

Yea, we'd have to roll the clock all the way back to a couple months ago to find you threatening a moderator with physical harm and getting temporarily banned. If anyone comes out with a steamroller wheel covered with game controllers, then I'll believe you're getting ripped off.

   And here I thought this forum and hobby would be so dull I'd want nothing to do but finish my cabinet in weeks and just play games.  If this keeps up I'll never get done.

[RoomTenONine]

I apologize to Randy if I came across as callous or speaking out without fully understanding the situation between GGG and Ultimarc and who brought different innovations to market first.

Of everybody in this thread, you are the guy who doesn't owe anybody an apology ... you called it as you saw it while many others (myself included) just let yet another "Randy-vs-Andy-threadcrap-fest" run wild. Frankly, I expect that most find it boring (almost like reading my posts!) without an authoritative 3rd party talking details about the specifications.

 

I missed this in the muck of the thread.  Thanks.  to you.

[Hoopz]

Yea, we'd have to roll the clock all the way back to a couple months ago to find you threatening a moderator with physical harm and getting temporarily banned. If anyone comes out with a steamroller wheel covered with game controllers, then I'll believe you're getting ripped off.

 

[pinballwizard79]

I like Andy & Randy.

The only difference to me is the letter "R".

(knee slapp)

Anyway, Andy displayed quite a bit of patience with me a few projects ago & Randy offered assistance to me a few weeks back.

Go whine to Happ, see what they do for you.

[RoomTenONine]

Go whine to Happ, see what they do for you.

Haha.  I'm still waiting for returned phone calls and emails from them...from months ago.

[Xiaou2]

 Yup,  its a riot when people bash and bully forum members isnt it?

 And when that member feels he is being threatened... warns them of the
consequences.

 Of course, it was a misunderstanding in the heat of conflict..   However
what it is now is a tool for the JEALOUS little kiddies to try to use to make
themselves feel better about themselves.

 If they had any self worth,  Dignity,  and self respect.. then such people wouldnt
Stoop to being so low and childish.

 However, this is not the case with these lowlife scum.


 And yes,  I agree with the  A & R  quote.   Both have exuded extreme arrogance.  Andy seems to be a little more grown up though.   Or at least, is too busy to waste
time bashing/mocking others.

[Ginsu Victim]

This thread has been hijacked and needs to get back on Trak.

[TPB]

This thread has been hijacked and needs to get back on Trak.

 

[Ummon]

  Anyone know if the TT2 spinner will work in a SlikStik classic panel easily (Randy)?

It'll work in anything that has that size hole.

That's a nice design, but I don't see much similarities with the other two spinners in question.

Yeah, that doesn't even count.

And yes,  I agree with the  A & R  quote.   Both have exuded extreme arrogance.  

 Randy is...well, Randy. But I haven't seen anything by Andy that's been off-kilter. Has anyone noticed X's posts consistently have the same format, which usually entails a certain kind of length relative to the point(s) made?...do you skip them automatically for these reasons?

[Hoopz]

And yes,  I agree with the  A & R  quote.   Both have exuded extreme arrogance.  Andy seems to be a little more grown up though.   Or at least, is too busy to waste
time bashing/mocking others.

---That which is odiferous and causeth plants to grow---.  I've never seen Andy exude extreme arrogance.  You must be reading way too much crap into his posts. 

[thatitalian]

Go whine to Happ, see what they do for you.

Haha.  I'm still waiting for returned phone calls and emails from them...from months ago.

Yeah!? Well, when I asked them for a UK coin mech they firstly said that they don't stock them, then they sent me an email saying look on their website it has all the info you need! Now you try to find me a UK coin mech!

Lol.

Look guys, both your products are great, I know because I have both!

Lets just all help and love one another and build some awesome arcade machines!!!

[KevSteele]

I apologize to Randy if I came across as callous or speaking out without fully understanding the situation between GGG and Ultimarc and who brought different innovations to market first.

Of everybody in this thread, you are the guy who doesn't owe anybody an apology ... you called it as you saw it while many others (myself included) just let yet another "Randy-vs-Andy-threadcrap-fest" run wild. Frankly, I expect that most find it boring (almost like reading my posts!) without an authoritative 3rd party talking details about the specifications.

 

I missed this in the muck of the thread.  Thanks.  to you.

You've been spot-on in your analysis of the entire situation. 

[TPB]

Can you provide me with details of the manufacturer?

... is a change on the cards, for the raw materials sourcing for the TT2 ?

This guy's employment could be looking shakey.

Oh well, skilled machinists can always find work in auto repair shops, to grind down engine heads, disc brakes, etc ...

The metal body is done in a little shop in PA by a very skilled machinist, who depends on jobs like the ones I send him to make his his living.

[RandyT]

Can you provide me with details of the manufacturer?

... is a change on the cards, for the raw materials sourcing for the TT2 ?

No.  The TT2 is a "Made In USA" product, from design to finish.  It will remain that way.

That information was requested simply for verification of the "off the shelf" status of an item that just so happens to be a spitting image of the TT2.  And also for future reference. 

It's no surprise that the question went unanswered.

RandyT

[CheffoJeffo]

It's no surprise that the question went unanswered.

Not to put too fine a point on it, but are you expecting us to believe that Andy is lying because he didn't give *you* the manufacturer's info  ?

[RandyT]

Not to put too fine a point on it, but are you expecting us to believe that Andy is lying because he didn't give *you* the manufacturer's info  ?

I'm sure there's a trusted 3rd party who could verify this info. 

Regardless, what do you think I'll do, start copying "his" spinner design?    <boggle>

RandyT

[CheffoJeffo]

Not to put too fine a point on it, but are you expecting us to believe that Andy is lying because he didn't give *you* the manufacturer's info  ?

I'm sure there's a trusted 3rd party who could verify this info. 

Regardless, what do think I'll do, start copying "his" spinner design?   

RandyT

It's no surprise that the question went unanswered.

 

[RayB]

What a ---gosh-darn--- sad situation. Randy could have kept his mouth shut and he would have come off like a class act, letting his product reputation stand on its own, instead of this "me first" childish ranting.

Randy, you have the "USA" market home advantage. Andy has the UK. There ARE plenty of people who avoid ordering over-seas if they can. So stop the damn whining, you still have the bigger customer base advantage by being in the US. If you really wanted to be the only one with a button-hole spinner, you should have patented it, or negotiated "non compete" deals with Ultimarc and other vendors. Otherwise, welcome to reality. And by arguing, right now you come off no different than Foley does in his threads defending the whole MAME thing.

< to be nice I removed my "jab" >

[Ginsu Victim]

Andy, if you could make something like this: http://groovygamegear.com/webstore/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=83&products_id=307, I'm interested in buying a few.

 

[RandyT]

What a ---gosh-darn--- sad situation. Randy could have kept his mouth shut and he would have come off like a class act, letting his product reputation stand on its own, instead of this "me first" childish ranting.

I'm glad you feel that way, Ray.  The next thing coming down the pike is a button top joystick / shaft, and the work you did a while back was a real inspiration for me to bring that to folks.  This one will even spin without chewing the wires up, ala the method used by, but not invented by SS.  And yes, I did get the inventor of that methods blessing before moving forward with it.  I'd thank him publicly but he asked to remain anonymous. So I will respect that.

Thanks,
RandyT

[vader]

Not that it matters to you Randy, but that was a perfect reply.  I say just go ahead and pimp your products and let their quality speak for themselves, if you see someone who you think are infringing on your ideas, speak to them publicly privately.  Keeps thing nice and tidy in here and we can talk about arcade stuff, not argue amongst ourselves.

props


edited for badly placed word

[javeryh]

Randy - any reason why you don't accept PayPal?  I keep all of my arcade funds in a separate account (by selling random stuff on eBay) and it really burns the wife when the credit card statement comes in with arcade-related charges.  When I pay through PayPal she never even sees it... yeah, a little off-topic...

[Donkey_Kong]

Jav- Go to your paypal account and download "paypal plugin". You can then use paypal funds on any website whether they accpet it or not. It generates one time use master cards and uses your paypal funds.

[mountain]

javeryh,
just get a paypal debit card. You will even get a kickback for using it.