Author Topic: John Elway Team Quarterback Help REVISED New Pics Posted 4/9/08 Need Help! (Read 9988 times)

Zilla King · « **on:** March 30, 2008, 10:16:16 pm »

Hi Guys, I need help with a problem with my John Elway Team Quarterback, We just moved and know the game will not power up, the game worked fine before we moved, the game was moved with care and was stored for a few months before brought into the home and now when I plug it in it does nothing, where do I start to fix or repair the problem.
Please help if you can.
Thanks Keith

Lutus · « **Reply #1 on:** March 30, 2008, 10:33:38 pm »

Does the game play blind? As in, can you put in a quarter and play the game without seeing it on the monitor.

When you power up the game is there an orange glow in the neck of the monitor?

My initial guess, after moving cabinets, is dry solder joints. But pictures of the monitor chassis would help.

Zilla King · « **Reply #2 on:** March 30, 2008, 10:40:54 pm »

Thanks for the reply Lutus, To answer your question no it does not play blind, it doesn't even power up I plug it in and used a outlet tester to see if it was getting power, the power runs to the on off switch and then it goes to a fuse. When I test the power on both sides of the fuse there is none but I don't know where to start I can post some pics in a few minutes if that you'd help.

Lutus · « **Reply #3 on:** March 30, 2008, 10:51:46 pm »

Take the fuse out of the fuse holder (with the cab unplugged) and test the fuse with a multimeter. Also, unplug the marquee light, just to rule that puppy out.

Zilla King · « **Reply #4 on:** March 30, 2008, 11:01:08 pm »

I unpluged the marquee, I don't have a multimeter. Where can I get one (Radio Shack) and how much are there. And what should I be looking for when I test it. Thanks Again.

Zilla King · « **Reply #5 on:** March 30, 2008, 11:13:46 pm »

I can get a Multimeter at work, could the power supply be bad?

Lutus · « **Reply #6 on:** March 30, 2008, 11:54:47 pm »

There are numerous "how to's" on digital multi meter's.

Does your machine have an isolation transformer in it?

Is this your machine...

http://www.klov.com/game_detail.php?game_id=8237

If it is, I am not familiar with the Cinemat System.

First thing is to check that fuse.

Zilla King · « **Reply #7 on:** March 31, 2008, 12:00:56 am »

Yes that is my arcade game and do believe it has a transformer also. I'll get a multimeter tomorrow what setting do I use to check the fuse.

Lutus · « **Reply #8 on:** March 31, 2008, 08:17:28 am »

This is a good start. This is stickied in the "arcade miscellaneous" forum.

http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?topic=68787.0

If you have any questions after this, we can help.

RetroACTIVE · « **Reply #9 on:** March 31, 2008, 09:35:45 pm »

Also make sure you've not jarred the rear door or any door that may have an AC interlock switch... could be as simple as the interlock switch is open now... so no juice!

Zilla King · « **Reply #10 on:** March 31, 2008, 09:41:32 pm »

Thanks...I checked those and didn't see anything when I plugged it in after it was in storage it acted like it was going to power up then it just quit. Do you think it's the power supply or the isolation transformer I believe it has to be one of those items the game worked perfect before the move and storage.

RetroACTIVE · « **Reply #11 on:** March 31, 2008, 09:45:01 pm »

Quote from: Zilla King on March 31, 2008, 09:41:32 pm

Thanks...I checked those and didn't see anything when I plugged it in after it was in storage it acted like it was going to power up then it just quit. Do you think it's the power supply or the isolation transformer I believe it has to be one of those items the game worked perfect before the move and storage.

It is really hard to say... Lutus has you on the right track here... checking the power path to see where it stops... could be a fuse, could be in the power supply... I doubt its an isolation transformer....

Start with where it comes in first... then go to the next and the next and so on...

Do you have the drawing set for the machine?

Zilla King · « **Reply #12 on:** March 31, 2008, 09:51:29 pm »

Yes, I have the Service & Diagnostic Manual. And it has Cabinet Wiring Diagram it seems pretty simple come in there is a Hot(Black), Ground(Green), and Neutral(White) is the Neutral a Hot Wire also? I really think it's the power supply. Does anyone on here sell a new one I can post a couple pics if you'd like, let me know what you think.
Thanks Keith

RetroACTIVE · « **Reply #13 on:** March 31, 2008, 10:03:19 pm »

Quote from: Zilla King on March 31, 2008, 09:51:29 pm

Yes, I have the Service & Diagnostic Manual. And it has Cabinet Wiring Diagram it seems pretty simple come in there is a Hot(Black), Ground(Green), and Neutral(White) is the Neutral a Hot Wire also? I really think it's the power supply. Does anyone on here sell a new one I can post a couple pics if you'd like, let me know what you think.
Thanks Keith

...take it one step at a time... you really should find out where the power (if thats the issue) ceases to exist...

I checked KLOV to and used "Quarterback" as a reference figuring John Elway's version probably not too different... it has a decent flow chart on things to check...

...work the ac power to the dc power supply... then check your DC voltages... do this using your manuals flow chart..

I've attached a pic... is this in your manual?

Zilla King · « **Reply #14 on:** March 31, 2008, 10:12:26 pm »

Yes..That flow chart is very close to mine, I don't have a interlock switch just a on and off switch. I didn't get the chance to get a multimeter today at work so I guess we are done for today, I'll pick up one tomorrow and then I hope we can get to the bottom of this, thanks for all your help guys I really appeciate it.
Thanks Keith

Zilla King · « **Reply #15 on:** March 31, 2008, 10:45:04 pm »

I have a little update...I have power to the Power Supply...How do I check to see if I have power out of the power supply?

Lutus · « **Reply #16 on:** March 31, 2008, 11:11:29 pm »

One easy way is to check the input voltage to the monitor. You would have to have a multimeter though.

Unplug the monitor power. Should be a two connector molex plug. Set your DMM to AC voltage over 120 V. Probably the 200 VAC setting.

Put one probe in each pin coming from the power supply and turn on the machine. You should register around 120V to 130V. In that ball park. If you get that then you are getting power to the monitor.

Otherwise you will read very low, or 0V.

You need a DMM to continue on further though.

Zilla King · « **Reply #17 on:** March 31, 2008, 11:17:21 pm »

Okay...I'll check it tomorrow and let you know what happens...I do have a extra power supply that I believe is good that I can try also, or should I try the voltage to the monitor first.
Thanks Keith

Zilla King · « **Reply #18 on:** March 31, 2008, 11:25:43 pm »

IF the power supply is bad, would this work okay

Zilla King · « **Reply #19 on:** March 31, 2008, 11:59:10 pm »

Update...I swapped out the power supply with another that I had and I still have the same problem...No GO...I'll get the meter tomorrow and do some more work.

Zilla King · « **Reply #20 on:** April 01, 2008, 12:33:54 am »

UPDATE...Okay I just found another fuse attached to the circuit board for the monitor I believe it's bad. I'm going to go to Radio Shack tomorrow and get a new fuse. I'll keep my fingers crossed.

Zilla King · « **Reply #21 on:** April 01, 2008, 12:49:54 am »

UPDATE!! I got the game to play blind...YEAH!! NO GLOW, NO Monitor...Now what do I do? Please advise. Thanks Keith

Zilla King · « **Reply #22 on:** April 01, 2008, 01:00:08 am »

UPDATE...Okay I believe it's the monitor. I don't know what you call it but at the base or stem of the monitor there is a circuit board attaced to it. And it looks as if somebody rigged it years ago. I pulled the circuit board off the stem and the stem looks to be bad. I'll post pictures tomorrow. I don't know if that part can be repaied or if I need to repair the monitor. I believe its a 25 or 27 inch zenith monitor, what does a new one sell for or can this be repaired.
Please advise.
Thanks Keith

Lutus · « **Reply #23 on:** April 01, 2008, 08:24:38 am »

I believe you are talking about the yolk.

Do post pictures and we can advise on whether it is repairable.

Also, Zenith probably made the tube, but probably not the chassis.

We will have to have pictures to help further.

The Evil Collector · « **Reply #24 on:** April 01, 2008, 04:42:40 pm »

Hey Zilla, can you shorten that ebay link above so the posts all fit on the screen? Thanks

Zilla King · « **Reply #25 on:** April 01, 2008, 05:39:24 pm »

Thanks Lutus, When I get home tonight, I'll post some pics and we can go from there.
Thanks

Zilla King · « **Reply #26 on:** April 01, 2008, 10:27:42 pm »

Okay here you go they didn't come out the best but this is that parts that's broke, can it be fixed, repaired or replace? Let me know please, thanks Keith

Lutus · « **Reply #27 on:** April 01, 2008, 11:14:36 pm »

It is hard to tell since the pics are out of focus. Are all the pins there and intact?

Zilla King · « **Reply #28 on:** April 01, 2008, 11:36:53 pm »

Yes they are if you look at the board pic it looks like it was attahced to the stem with some sort of bonding agent of some sort. I the 3rd pic where I'm hold it the plastic thing is cracked. I'll try and take better pics tomorrow. Sorry for the poor resolution.

Lutus · « **Reply #29 on:** April 02, 2008, 08:32:15 am »

Oh, I think what you are talking about is the factory installed glue.

Basically, the factory would do a convergence on the tube (yolk rings) and install the neck board and they would put drops of what I would describe as rubbery glue in different places. This would hold all the pieces and adjustments together during shipment and when moving or handling the monitors.

Take some better pictures, but my guess is it will be alright.

But we can tell you if we see better pics.

Zilla King · « **Reply #30 on:** April 02, 2008, 06:23:34 pm »

Okay, Ill take some better pictures tonight and post them. But that yoke think is cracked it's plastic. Can that be the problem, evverything else looks great, do you want me to post any other pics that may help. Let me know thanks!!

Lutus · « **Reply #31 on:** April 02, 2008, 07:50:19 pm »

We will hold off on judgement/advice till we get better pics.

Zilla King · « **Reply #32 on:** April 08, 2008, 10:27:56 pm »

Sorry for the delay here we go:

Let me know what you think!!
Thanks Keith

Zilla King · « **Reply #33 on:** April 11, 2008, 04:54:25 pm »

Anyone

RetroACTIVE · « **Reply #34 on:** April 11, 2008, 05:16:21 pm »

Something doesn't look right with that last pic... the plastic key-way on the yoke looks tweaked...

Did the neck board come of easy or did you have to give it some gusto to get it to pop off?

BTW... could you get rid (or at least shrink) that ebay link up in this message thread... its really making the thread hard to read.

IG-88 · « **Reply #35 on:** April 11, 2008, 05:59:16 pm »

^ Ditto ^

Zilla King · « **Reply #36 on:** April 13, 2008, 02:49:31 pm »

Quote from: RetroACTIVE on April 11, 2008, 05:16:21 pm

Something doesn't look right with that last pic... the plastic key-way on the yoke looks tweaked...

Did the neck board come of easy or did you have to give it some gusto to get it to pop off?

BTW... could you get rid (or at least shrink) that ebay link up in this message thread... its really making the thread hard to read.

The neck board came off very easy and when I removed it I noticed that that little plastic keyway on the end of the neck was broken can that neck be repaired or replaced or do I need to buy a new monitor, I'd love to get this game fixed asap.
Thanks Guys!!

Jdurg · « **Reply #37 on:** April 13, 2008, 03:23:35 pm »

Nobody has made mention of it yet, but be EXTREMELY careful when working back there. This is no joke. You can die if you touch the wrong part. The voltage contained in those monitors is insanely high. I trust that you understand the dangers with what you're working with, but based on all the questions being asked I'm not completely sure. We don't want someone getting zapped into oblivion here while working on a machine they love.

Zilla King · « **Reply #38 on:** April 13, 2008, 03:31:02 pm »

Yeah, I hate messing around with it, but can someone please help with my question can the monitor be fixed or do I need to replace it.

RetroACTIVE · « **Reply #39 on:** April 13, 2008, 10:48:47 pm »

Quote from: Jdurg on April 13, 2008, 03:23:35 pm

Nobody has made mention of it yet, but be EXTREMELY careful when working back there. This is no joke. You can die if you touch the wrong part. The voltage contained in those monitors is insanely high. I trust that you understand the dangers with what you're working with, but based on all the questions being asked I'm not completely sure. We don't want someone getting zapped into oblivion here while working on a machine they love.

agreed.. http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?topic=78372.0

Quote from: Zilla King on April 13, 2008, 03:31:02 pm

Yeah, I hate messing around with it, but can someone please help with my question can the monitor be fixed or do I need to replace it.

for me personally... I tend not to mess with anything that is cracked around the yoke... some folks are good at patching things up and I can respect the frugalness of that approach... but for me its just not worth it, I would just replace it.

Zilla King · « **Reply #40 on:** April 14, 2008, 05:30:05 pm »

Thanks for the reply, does anyone of this site sell monitors?

DJ Infinity · « **Reply #41 on:** April 14, 2008, 05:32:50 pm »

http://www.happcontrols.com/monitors/monitors.htm

Zilla King · « **Reply #42 on:** April 18, 2008, 05:26:57 pm »

Does anyone else sell them or can it be repaired?

Zilla King · « **Reply #43 on:** April 20, 2008, 01:56:01 pm »

Turns out that it seems to be a bad transformer, power in and no power out.
I need a new one, does anyone no where I can get one.
Thanks Keith

RetroACTIVE · « **Reply #44 on:** April 21, 2008, 09:05:12 am »

Isolation transformer? Pretty much any place that sells arcade parts, here are a few:

www.happcontrols.com

www.arcadeshop.com

http://homearcade.org/BBBB/parts.html

the BYOAC Wiki has a whole list of vendors that you may consider.

Zilla King · « **Reply #45 on:** March 23, 2009, 07:59:35 pm »

Well....I'm still missing around with this game and it still doesn't work.
I replaced the Iso Transformer and still NO Picture.
I don't know what to do.


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Author Topic: John Elway Team Quarterback Help **REVISED** New Pics Posted 4/9/08 Need Help! (Read 9988 times)

Author Topic: John Elway Team Quarterback Help REVISED New Pics Posted 4/9/08 Need Help! (Read 9988 times)