Author Topic: Soft-15KHz - slim new tool for 15KHz on normal vga cards (Read 774476 times)

greenoneten · « **Reply #1960 on:** July 26, 2010, 04:42:42 pm »

Hi SailorSat,
I have a problem with two different graphic cards and S15.
1) a XFX GT240 which through reading the other posts has an EDID issue and needs a dongle, boots and switches fine on TFT monitor plug in arcade perfect.
Boot with arcade monitor attached and the screen goes black, attach TFT monitor and then change resolution and then it switches to 15khz.
2) a Asus EAH5770 ati chipset when it boots it then switches to 4bit colour mode with S15 installed, tried all outputs using dvi to via plus etc..
many thanks

SailorSat · « **Reply #1961 on:** July 27, 2010, 01:25:29 am »

hm... what catalyst are you using with the hd5770? I haven't worked with the newer stuff yet but I doubt they changed anything mayor.

greenoneten · « **Reply #1962 on:** July 27, 2010, 02:23:05 am »

Hi,
I tried the original drivers for the hd5570, i think catalyst 8.1 and also tried 6.5 but that didn't detect the card.
That also is looking for EDID i think as it has settings to switch off auto detect which i tried but also didn't work.The arcade monitor shows up as analog vga.
Set at 15khz i think its switching to 31khz in 640X480 in 4 Bit colour. the screen is standard windows but very pixalatted and pink and green colours but you can change resolution down to 240x240 but still no 15khz.
also the XFX GT240 which switches to 15HZ on lcd tft monitor but not on the arcade monitor according to earlier posts tried the various outputs vga, hdmi. Its the same on both outputs.
how do i contact you about buying a EDID dongle so at least i can get one of the two cards working.
many thanks

SailorSat · « **Reply #1963 on:** July 27, 2010, 03:00:50 am »

Send me a PM.

Guess it's time for me to get a new video card then

greenoneten · « **Reply #1964 on:** July 27, 2010, 06:21:05 am »

Hi,
swapped the asus hd 5570 for a radeon hd5570 and it does exactly the same, boots then goes to a 640X480 4 bit screen saying "The catalyst control centre is not supported by the driver version of your enabled graphics adapter.please upgrade your ATI graphics driver, or enable your ATI adapter using the display manager".

It doesn't appear to like S15.
Cannot get it to switch to 15khz.
Just get the above.
Maybe another EDID safety feature?

Many thanks

wilch · « **Reply #1965 on:** July 27, 2010, 12:39:10 pm »

ok i completely wiped then reinstalled catalyst 6.5, but still get no 321x240.

i soldered a 1k ohms resistor to vga 13 and one to vga 14. now i get no image at all. i cant open the vga side of the cable so i chopped the wires at the scart end and joined them back up with the resistors that way, i checked for continuity and all was fine... now i'm wondering if the resistors MUST be connected to the actual pins on the vga side

deano7 · « **Reply #1966 on:** July 27, 2010, 07:47:18 pm »

Hi sailor, I posted the pics a few days ago (a few posts up - Ikari Warriors game). This is what happens when using both my 9400 and 7200 Nvidia card. What do you think, do you think I need the dongle? If so, what do they cost and how do I order one? thanks!

Sosetsuken · « **Reply #1967 on:** July 28, 2010, 06:13:05 am »

Hey SailorSat,

What Language to you program Soft15Khz in? And is there any chance for an Opensource Soft15khz?

Thanks

SailorSat · « **Reply #1968 on:** July 28, 2010, 06:21:34 am »

Visual Basic 6
And it may become open source someday.

wilch · « **Reply #1969 on:** July 30, 2010, 07:14:05 am »

i know the scart thread would be more appropriate for my question, but this thread seems much busier so i'll post it in both.

i'm starting fresh on a new vga-rgb scart. my new vga cable arrived and it seems much better quality than the last. pin 9 is present and the RGB wires each have their own shielding.
can i use vga pin 9 instead of bridging scart 16 - 20? does a radeon 9250 pin 9 give out 5v?

UPDATE: on closer inspection i've realised this cable is designed differently. vga grounding pins 6,7,8,10 all share a common link with each other and the shielding/casing. there is a small sheet of metal connecting the pins, but there are no wires. the shielded RGB wires have an additional wire wrapped around them within the shielding which i may be able to solder to the corresponding scart RGB grounding pins. would it be ok having all ground pins on both vga and scart side being linked. there is no wire coming from vga pin 5 at all

lodoss118 · « **Reply #1970 on:** July 30, 2010, 06:51:36 pm »

Hi guys i also have an ATI 5670 and when i install soft 15khz on arcade monitor the desktop goes to 4 bit colour and i get this error

"The catalyst control centre is not supported by the driver version of your enabled graphics adapter.please upgrade your ATI graphics driver, or enable your ATI adapter using the display manager".

I can confirm soft 15khz does not work on thew new ati 5000 series.

Do we need a edid dongle?

lodoss118 · « **Reply #1971 on:** July 30, 2010, 06:52:19 pm »

forgot to say if i connect to my tft screen it works fine though?

SailorSat · « **Reply #1972 on:** July 31, 2010, 03:08:05 am »

So I will have to try, but I doubt they did something stupid.
Limiting a card to 640x480 is one thing, but VGA mode only is something totaly different =)

lodoss118 · « **Reply #1973 on:** July 31, 2010, 04:10:34 am »

is there anyway to install the older catalyst drivers like on the hd4000 series, on the new ati 5000 series like modifying the ini file?

SailorSat · « **Reply #1974 on:** July 31, 2010, 05:49:24 am »

Basically yes. Don't know which drivers first supported the HD5000s

wilch · « **Reply #1975 on:** July 31, 2010, 10:24:19 am »

hi sailorsat, i have reinstalled catalyst 6.5 and even built a new cable, but still cannot set 321x240 or any other 321x??? resolution... can you give me some modelines to try?

lodoss118 · « **Reply #1976 on:** July 31, 2010, 10:59:45 am »

i am abit lazy canyone setup some older drivers for ati 5000 so i can test soft15khz on it

SailorSat · « **Reply #1977 on:** July 31, 2010, 01:02:24 pm »

Hm... Wilch, 320x240 doesn't show up either?

lodoss118 · « **Reply #1978 on:** July 31, 2010, 06:57:27 pm »

anynews on the ati 5000 series i tried using older cat drivers but still no go i didn't mode the really old ones though?

wilch · « **Reply #1979 on:** August 01, 2010, 08:09:51 am »

no 320x240 either. i'd prefer that resolution, but im using radeon 9250 with PAL CRT TV (50/60hz) with windows so i understand 320 is modeX?

this resolution is the most important for me as it's what most of my emulators use natively. there's one thing im confused about: do you name the modeline 321 but really set 320 active lines so windows doesn't go into modeX or is there actually an extra line?

i'd also like to get 320x256 or 321x256 and 640x256 modelines if possible

thanks!

SailorSat · « **Reply #1980 on:** August 01, 2010, 08:25:28 am »

I'm wondering what exactly is going on.
Not having 320x240 and NOT having 321x240 either is pretty strange.
You seem to be the first person to have problems with a R9250 an cat 6.5.

Best thing would be realtime access to the system, VNC or something like that.

wilch · « **Reply #1981 on:** August 01, 2010, 08:44:15 am »

you mean remote access from your side?
we're 6 hours in front here, when would be best to try?

i tried omega and latest catalyst drivers for my card (6.11) and as expected the resolutions were still missing

greenoneten · « **Reply #1982 on:** August 03, 2010, 12:30:32 am »

Hi SaliorSat,
Is there any news on the EDID dongles yet?
Many thanks
Ian

SailorSat · « **Reply #1983 on:** August 03, 2010, 01:39:32 am »

Actually I'm in the process of moving to a new house, so I don't have much time atm. and most stuff is packed away anyway.

wilch · « **Reply #1984 on:** August 03, 2010, 05:37:43 am »

i give up. i installed windows xp on a freshly formatted hard drive, installed soft-15khz and STILL get no 321x240 or 321x256. maybe i have a bad hardware/software combination: R9250 PCI, sony trinitron CRT TV, gigabyte ga-p43-ds3 motherboard on 32bit windows xp

SailorSat · « **Reply #1985 on:** August 03, 2010, 07:18:53 am »

Send me the registry backup from the soft15khz directory to sailorsat@animeger.de and I'll give it a try over here.

lodoss118 · « **Reply #1986 on:** August 04, 2010, 06:04:48 pm »

has anyone tried the new geforce gtx 460 or 480

lodoss118 · « **Reply #1987 on:** August 05, 2010, 05:50:42 pm »

any news in gettting the ati 5000 series working?

kronixx · « **Reply #1988 on:** August 08, 2010, 05:21:20 am »

Hi Guys, Nice forum here i found it when looking for a solution to my soft 15khz problems..

My setup is a Mame cabinet with 26" Nanao monitor/chassis wired to JAMMA, JPAC and Arcade VGA[pci-e] on winxp. I have no problems at all when using the arcade vga.

I really want to run SF4 on this cabinet and the only thing letting me down was the lack of power from the arcade vga so i decided to soft15khz an nvidia 8800gt i have here. Because the card is dual DVI, i am using a DVI -> VGA adapter from the video card. I am plugging into the secondary on the 8800gt after having no luck on the first side. When i fire it up on an LCD screen after installing the soft15 i get the out of range message which i was happy about so i switched it over to the arcade cabinet and fire it up. I get the orange and green light sync on the JPAC but on the screen i see a double picture, side by side. It stays like this until it gets past the windows loading screen and when it goes into windows i get a black screen and the green sync light on the JPAC turns off. I have read the thread here about the EDID dongle and was wondering if this is what would solve my problem or am i missing something obvious here?

EDIT: I had changed the res to 640x480 before restarting the pc after installing soft15 khz

Thanks

SailorSat · « **Reply #1989 on:** August 08, 2010, 05:25:57 am »

Yes and No

First, try the other DVI port (just to be sure).

Second, try it with a "standard" VGA monitor next to the cab.
Boot with the VGA monitor connected, then as soon as windows kicks in (and you get the out of range error), try switching the cables. If you get a stable picture now, you need a dongle.

kronixx · « **Reply #1990 on:** August 08, 2010, 05:36:28 am »

If i use the first side of DVI on the video card i get no green sync on the JPAC when plugged to arcade monitor but will get a picture on a standard monitor. When i boot with a standard monitor from the secondary DVI side of my 8800gt i get the "out of range" error straight from boot, using that same connection to the arcade monitor gets me up till the point i described, windows is about to come to desktop and i lose sync and picture goes black. So its half working? :S

SailorSat · « **Reply #1991 on:** August 08, 2010, 06:14:13 am »

Like I said, boot with the VGA screen then switch the cables (without turning the system off)

kronixx · « **Reply #1992 on:** August 08, 2010, 07:00:38 am »

Ok, i just did as you suggested.

When i switched the connection and plugged the arcade monitor in i go sync on the JPAC and got a rolling picture on the arcade screen, i played with the v hold and stabalized the picture but it was displaying what i could describe as one full screen folded in half. The picture only took up roughly half the screen and i couldn't really do anything with it.

lodoss118 · « **Reply #1993 on:** August 10, 2010, 03:49:23 pm »

sailor how hard is it to hack the drivers to support these resolutions, i am sure it is just a registry hack right? will you ever release an article or guide on how to do it?

SailorSat · « **Reply #1994 on:** August 10, 2010, 05:48:26 pm »

As I don't have a HD5000 series card handy, I can't tell whats the problem

But I'll order one this week

kronixx · « **Reply #1995 on:** August 11, 2010, 09:29:17 am »

Quote from: kronixx on August 08, 2010, 07:00:38 am

When i switched the connection and plugged the arcade monitor in i go sync on the JPAC and got a rolling picture on the arcade screen, i played with the v hold and stabalized the picture but it was displaying what i could describe as one full screen folded in half. The picture only took up roughly half the screen and i couldn't really do anything with it.

So does this mean i need a dongle? Kinda confused here..

SailorSat · « **Reply #1996 on:** August 11, 2010, 10:53:47 am »

I think so.

lodoss118 · « **Reply #1997 on:** August 14, 2010, 09:13:19 am »

hopefully ati have not done anything stupid with the 5000 series

wilch · « **Reply #1998 on:** August 17, 2010, 09:28:30 pm »

I'm having trouble with my display running dosbox using VGA-RGB SCART.
Now i understand most dos games used a resolution of 320x200, but the monitor would use rectangular pixel to display the image at 4:3 ratio. When I use aspect correction in dosbox I get the 4:3 image, but the pixels are blurred because the image is stretched using square pixels rather than rectangles. Is this a limitation of using vga-RGB to TV or is there a setting I'm misunderstanding?

Thanks

SailorSat · « **Reply #1999 on:** August 18, 2010, 01:05:17 am »

The Problem is quite simple.

VGA 320x200 (and 640x400) are 70Hz.
As most TVs won't sync to 70Hz we have to use a lower refresh / more vertical lines.


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