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P360 vs. Super review complete
Tiger-Heli:
First class review, as always, OSCAR!!!
I doubt that you will add this to the review, as you seem to have a policy of not plugging your own products on your own website (???), but . . .
The impression I got from the review is -
The supers are excellent in 8-way mode, and barely acceptable in 4-way mode. However, a Super in 8-way mode plays very well in 4-way games using the OSCAR restrictor plates. (That last sentence was from the consensus of BYOAC, not from the current review).
The P360's are equal to the Supers in 8-way mode (without the clickiness) and actually usable in 4-way mode, but, as most of us know, that actuator is a pain to flip, so . . . either you lose ten minutes converting them back and forth, or you need a second (third?) P360 on your panel as a dedicated 4-way (pricey!).
My question: How do the P360's work for 4-way games when used in 8-way mode with a set of OSCAR restrictor plates?
u_rebelscum:
Oscar, that 360 handle looks just like the happs competition sticks. Also the spring sounds like the happs competition heavy springs. Can you comment on these points (if the parts are interchangable, for instance)?
BTW, great review, again.
Sasquatch!:
Great review!
(I had a question, but your review actually answered it, so never mind. :P)
OSCAR:
Thanks for all the comments, guys!!
--- Quote from: Tiger-Heli on April 05, 2003, 06:53:53 am ---First class review, as always, OSCAR!!!
I doubt that you will add this to the review, as you seem to have a policy of not plugging your own products on your own website (???), but . . .
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LOL!! TH, you know me well enough to know that it's not my style to plug my own products when I am trying to provide (hopefully) useful info to the BYOAC folk. And I wouldn't really call it a policy, so to speak, but I do try to keep a faint division between my favorite hobby and the business, as silly as that might sound.
--- Quote ---The supers are excellent in 8-way mode, and barely acceptable in 4-way mode. However, a Super in 8-way mode plays very well in 4-way games using the OSCAR restrictor plates. (That last sentence was from the consensus of BYOAC, not from the current review).
The P360's are equal to the Supers in 8-way mode (without the clickiness) and actually usable in 4-way mode, but, as most of us know, that actuator is a pain to flip, so . . . either you lose ten minutes converting them back and forth, or you need a second (third?) P360 on your panel as a dedicated 4-way (pricey!).
My question: How do the P360's work for 4-way games when used in 8-way mode with a set of OSCAR restrictor plates?
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I actually installed P360's in my cabinet today to test just this. Amazingly, the P360's work very well with the restrictors. I had my doubts because when I designed the restrictors, their compatibility with the P360's was not even a consideration. I had Comp's in my cabinet before today, but I am going to stick with the P360's now that I see how well they work with the restrictors. I actually played one of my best games of Ms. Pac-Man today with a P360 and the 4-way restrictor.
--- Quote from: u_rebelscum on April 05, 2003, 07:04:50 am ---Oscar, that 360 handle looks just like the happs competition sticks. Also the spring sounds like the happs competition heavy springs. Can you comment on these points (if the parts are interchangable, for instance)?
BTW, great review, again.
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Thanks, u_rebel!
The handles do look very similar but there are a few dimensional differences. Right off the bat I am going to say that they aren't interchangeable because of the different shaft diameters; 10mm for the Comp and 9.5mm for the P360. The e-clip grooves are positioned differently on the shafts, too, but that could likely be accommodated for by using different spacers. Here's a pic of the handles and some sketches I drew with dimensions I measured from each of the sticks.
The springs are very similar. The P360 has a slightly larger wire diameter and feels just a tad stiffer, but other that they are interchangeable.
Homebrew:
Does anyone else find that the P360's joystick grips to be too hard? I think they feel much more like plastic than the super's. Am i making any sense? To me the Super grips have a softer, almost rubbery feel. Not quite sure how to explain it, but suffice it to say that i prefer the feel of the super grips. This brings me to an odd question. If there's any machinists in here, i'd appreciate your input. Does anyone have an idea of what it might cost to get super handles machined down so that they would fit the P360? I'm sure its not cheap, but if its within reason, i'd consider it. I really just do not like the feel of the P360 grip. I like the performance of the P360's, but they feel cheaper constructed to me. If i had paid full price for them i'd be a little dissapointed.
-Kevin
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