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quarterback:
--- Quote from: Peale on April 22, 2005, 06:37:02 am ---Because the animal has already paid the ultimate price.
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DemonBrew:
I have this crazy theory - if humans could hear carrots screaming as they got ripped out of the ground, does that mean vegans / vegetarians would have to starve to death?
I mean.... we once thought the world was flat. How do we know vegetables don't feel pain?
Think about that the next time you make mashed potatoes. "AHHH! STOP! OWWWWW!"
hehehe. But that's just me.
SirPeale:
--- Quote from: quarterback on April 22, 2005, 12:02:12 pm ---
--- Quote from: Peale on April 22, 2005, 06:37:02 am ---Because the animal has already paid the ultimate price.
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The ground beef at my grocery store has already paid the ultimate price as well. I'm not sure that's the best argument for being an animal-rights-supporter who wants to wear leather.
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I'm saying that I'm not supporting the leather industry. I already own leather shoes and a jacket. I'm not about to toss them. They won't be replaced with new counterparts when they finally wear out, though. Purchasing second hand items doesn't support the industry.
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--- Quote --- As for the coat I found, I saved it from the landfill.
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Or you 'saved it' from somebody else's back. If you would sell it or give it away, then the new owner might not feel the need to buy a new one.
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No, I literally saved it from the landfill. I found it in a Staples dumpster. What it was doing in there, I dunno.
shmokes:
--- Quote from: DrewKaree on April 22, 2005, 02:11:43 am ---
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Ethics play a role, but a person who is a hardcore vegetarian for moral reasons is necessarily a hypocrit because that person is still wearing leather shoes and drinking milk and eating eggs and cheese, etc.
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You're assuming an awful lot about someone and stating that they HAVE TO be a hypocrite based on something that may or may not be true. Are all shoes leather? Are they still ingesting milk/eggs/cheese? Maybe other examples would work better, but those are extremely poor ones and are simply unfounded and wildly speculative.
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A vegetarian who quits consuming all animal products is a vegan. That's what I mean. If you're a vegetarian solely for ethical reasons the moment you quit being a hypocrit you also cease to be a vegetarian. You become a vegan. I don't think it's that big a deal, though. I think that stealing is bad, but I occassionally use my printer at work to print personal things. I download the occassional mp3 and I steal Xbox games like they were going out of style (I not entirely sure what that means, but I mean that I have about 40-50 games that I never payed for). That doesn't mean that I should change my views about stealing. I should probably just work toward the goal of not stealing at all.
...and so on. I stand by what I said.
I also think, though, that no matter how valid or true your beliefs are, you undermine them and often negate them entirely when you become rigid and/or dogmatic in your adherence to them.
"People of zee world, Relax!"
Sephroth57: