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Dartful Dodger:
--- Quote from: shmokes on April 22, 2005, 01:24:26 pm ---a person who is a hardcore vegetarian for moral reasons is necessarily a hypocrit because that person is still wearing leather shoes and drinking milk and eating eggs and cheese, etc.
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If you're a vegetarian solely for ethical reasons the moment you quit being a hypocrit you also cease to be a vegetarian.
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shmokes:
That's true. But if you believe that you should stop eating animals because they are treated horribly, then it only makes sense to stop consuming any animal product that comes from a place where they are treated horribly. If you believe that killing a sentient animal is wrong, then you should stop any and all practices that contribute to the killing of sentient animals instead of selectively stopping the easy ones.
I don't think a little hypocricy is that big a deal. Obviously anyone who believes that God is literally watching us at all times is a little guilty of this. But if a person is has the ethical beliefs of a vegan, but only goes so far as to become a vegetarian there is an inherent hypocricy there. If you are a vegetarian because you think meat is gross or unhealthy that isn't the case. And if you are a hypocritical vegetarian you still have taken a step in the right direction so it can still be looked at in a good light to some degree. But it's impossible to avoid hypocricy and embrace vegetarianism rather than veganism for moral/ethical reasons.
And yes, I eat meat of all kinds. Just not very much of it. And yes, I think people should eat no meat that comes from most of the places I almost always get my meat. And yes that is hypocritical.
Chemixtry:
I think Ron White sums it up for me-
"I didn't rise to the top of the food chain to eat f**kin' carrots."
I certainly respect people who want to be vegetarian but I have met some people who are militant about it that drive me nuts. Man was built to be an omnivore. My grandfather is a rancher who raises cattle for beef. They are raised in pastures and taken good care of. It is not any more immoral for me to eat meat then any other animal on the planet that does so.
Dartful Dodger:
--- Quote from: shmokes on April 22, 2005, 02:15:07 pm ---But it's impossible to avoid hypocricy and embrace vegetarianism rather than veganism for moral/ethical reasons.
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Using that logic it's impossible to avoid hypocricy and embrace veganism rather than Photosynthesism for moral/ethical reasons.
shmokes:
I trust that secretly you can see for yourself what is so retarded about that argument, Dartful. There are a couple things actually, but either one will do.