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Schiavo rumblings
mr.Curmudgeon:
--- Quote from: DrewKaree on March 24, 2005, 02:17:42 am ---ignoring the fact that 47 Dems voted with the "rethugs" in the House
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I didn't ignore that, I pointed out my disappointment that Dems didn't wholely reject this blatant pandering game. Still doesn't changed the fact that this is a completely partisan Republican issue. They own it. Just because they're to yellow-bellied to take responsibility, doesn't mean that they aren't responsible. You know how it works, you never hold them accountable for anything. You are a member of the party of Frist (R), DeLay (R), Hastert (R)...I hope you like the company of snakes. They led the charge. Not the Dems.
Most of them, intelligently, stayed out of the way and let the Republican pull out their own feeding tubes, so to speak. A good deal of the Republicans in congress that "care so deeply" for her, never even took the time to learn how to pronounce her name correctly for their speeches.
--- Quote ---You've tried to equate Terri Schiavo's case to Bush's carrying out of the law in Texas, and with the war on terror.
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It's more than that, it's the hypocrisy of, on one hand bashing gays in defense of the "sanctity of marriage", then ignoring that very same "sanctity of marriage" when trying to rip a wife away from a husband trying to carry out her last wish solely to pander to the religious right. I equate it with the hypocrisy of claiming to support a "culture of life" opposed to the "slow, torturous death" of this "as healthy as you or I" invalid, while supporting, nay encouraging the torture of terror "suspects" in Gitmo and "civilains" in Iraq's Abu Gharib (Bush promoted the guy (Gonzales) that advised on the derailing of Geneva Conventions)
--- Quote ---You make some silly point to Dartful while doing exactly that which you carp about
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The thing you miss is I don't claim to be a member of any religion that purports, "let those without sin cast the first stone." It's just another example of the rampant hypocrisy feastering in the conservative right. I haven't judged any family member in this case. Just the Republican opportunist that would so callously take advantage of them.
--- Quote ---It sounds as if you think anyone questioning you to be out to get you.
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It's more like I expect I arguing against disingenuous apologists who'll look for *any* excuse to avoid discussing the topic at hand. Hey! Wait, your reply just provided a perfect example. Thanks!
--- Quote ---I hope you're done with your living will - the Religious Right appreciate you complying with their ultimate goal! GOTCHA! ;D
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Their ultimate goal was to throw red meat to the extremist ultra-conservative religious base by exploiting a family's personal tragedy by furthering their anti-abortion agenda at the cost of destroying state's rights. That the American public saw through this phony ploy, and are trending toward defending themselves against this kind of exploitation (by either family or government) by creating a living will, is just a positive side effect.
GOTCHA, indeed!
mrC
fredster:
They did that already dude.
Zero_Hour:
--- Quote from: fredster on March 24, 2005, 01:54:16 pm ---They did that already dude. In 1972.
The Ford Pinto was converted.
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Now that was funny.
fredster:
MrC,
Don't break this into some Gitmo thing, you are wavering. After all,
--- Quote ---It's more like I expect I arguing against disingenuous apologists who'll look for *any* excuse to avoid discussing the topic at hand.
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I guess I see it now. We were discussing Terri Shiavo, and you were discussing the republicans. NOT the same thing. Come on man. Come on. Your people didn't fight it. I'd be a little more than "disappointed" if I were you. Where's the equivalent outrage?
mr.Curmudgeon:
--- Quote from: fredster on March 24, 2005, 02:12:05 pm ---Don't break this into some Gitmo thing, you are wavering.
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You honestly don't see any hypocrisy present in a group of people screaming bloody murder over the "torturous death" of one individual but then turn a blind eye to the fact that 108 prisoners in captivity in Iraq were killed by mostly "violent causes" in a War that they overwhelmingly support?
You know how many U.S. POW's were killed in captivity during the ENTIRE Vietnam war? 114. From all causes.
[Sources:
http://www.eiis.net/cmart/vietwarstats.html
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/03/16/terror/main680658.shtml]
Now, is Schiavo part of the war on terror, no. Are the people who'd claim to be "pro-life" and "anti-torture" (in her case) the same people? It would seem, yes. Is that a moral conflict? Should be.
This is a culture war and the side that opposes my beliefs claims to have a higher moral standard than me. They should be called out as the hypocrites they are, every chance we get. They are the ones claiming Terri's tragedy as their own. Not me, and not the party I currently support.
They made this political. Not me, and not the party I support. To let these blatant hypocrisys go unchecked...is wrong.
mrC