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'Dubya' isn't "Russian" for diplomacy.
mr.Curmudgeon:
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--- Quote from: shmokes on February 25, 2005, 08:08:18 pm ---I automatically distrust black republicans, especially when they're women. It makes me wonder if their mental faculties are entirely in tact and sound.
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I feel the same way about all Democrats.
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Noone has ever questioned the level of blind partisanship you are able to display.
mrC
fredster:
--- Quote ---Noone has ever questioned the level of blind partisanship you are able to display.
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And you are a model of bi-partisanship ? Dodger never pretended to be bi partisan.
MrC, there were thousands that would have died in the future. 100's died after every war. We have done a tremendous job in stabalizing a country. It's a historical model of HOW TO.
--- Quote --- I guess I can't argue the case any further if you truly think it's already over and done with.
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It's easy. We ousted Saddam with less than 10,000 dead. We couldn't do that in 'nam could we? Lybia gave up it's arms. Lebanon is ousting Syria. Saddam isn't backing Hammas. (before you go into the incredibly blind arguement that saddam wasn't into terror - look at this - http://www.husseinandterror.com/ so we can recall. Egypt is discussing free elections, Saudi Arabia has had some minor elections. The youth in Iran are restless and scared the US will attack and are organizing against thier govenment.
In short, the entire middle east is seeing a wave of democracy because of Bush's policies. It's real and measurable. All because he showed them he was resolved to do this and wouldn't back down as the US has because of the utilitarian policies of '92-2000.
Condi Rice has done her job, well. We will see explicitly how well she advised the president as this war plays out. What didn't she do is my question? Why are we saying she was lacking ?
Because Barbra Boxer says so? What has Barbra Boxer done that's had an effect or got to the bottom of terrorism? Oh yeah, she passed a resolution that Syria should stop funding terrorists. Oh that was effective. Let's give them a ticket for laughing at that.
--- Quote ---I believe it's more apparent that the Communist bloc broke up from within. Republicans like to credit Reagan, but he really did nothing more than outspend the Russians in an attempt to bolster M.A.D. which led the U.S. into a tremendous deficits.
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This is another example of partisan blindness. While I say that you are right to some degree you are ignoring others. It's obvious that the type of communism that the USSR practiced was economically flawed, the US stood firm and upped the ante of the super power status. We held firm and showed the world we weren't afraid to use what we had. We kept trade out of the USSR and starved them. Reagan kept pushing up the defensive posture of America. At the same time we supported the "insurgents" within. Eventually the goverments couldn't control the people. While it may have happened naturally, Reagan accellerated the process, there is no doubt about that, perhaps by 10 years. 10 years is a long time for those imprisoned in those countries.
--- Quote ---Even the CIA told Reagan this when he first took office.
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Did you attend that briefing?
mr.Curmudgeon:
--- Quote ---And you are a model of bi-partisanship ?
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When it comes to this administration, "HELL NO!" I'm a vicious liberal, pinko commie. I was never be so, to use one of Drew's most favorite derogatory terms, "ignorant" as to claim I automatically distrust *all* Republicans. My beef is with the fringe element that has hijacked the Republican party and whipped their base into such a fanatical frenzy that I see very decent people voting against their own best interests in support of the false premises of a wounded and dying ideology. I have Republican friends *gasp*...so I guess that makes me socially "bi-partisan."
--- Quote from: fredster on March 01, 2005, 09:29:56 am ---What has Barbra Boxer done that's had an effect or got to the bottom of terrorism?
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Was Barbara Boxer the NSA during the runup and subsequent execution of one of the worst attacks on American soil? Was see privy to the same reports as Condi was?
It never ceases to amaze me how efficient Bush supporters are passing the buck.
--- Quote ---Condi Rice has done her job, well. What didn't she do is my question? Why are we saying she was lacking ?
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52 warnings from the FAA during her tenure as NSA. You think it's ok, I think she should be held accountable. In her testimony before congress, she lied about the notion that she had never heard "planes would be used as missiles", intelligence reports that have recently come to light refute that claim. She lied about this administrations support of the Dept of Homeland Security. She lied about Cheney's Counterterrorism Task Force and it's complete and utter lack of meetings. I could go on, but I'll stop now....Wouldn't want to "impune her integrity."
For more recent failures of leadership and diplomacy, here's one of Condi's latest beautiful displays of political prowess:
"CTV News has learned that U.S. Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice was so displeased by Canada's decision to opt out of the program that she's postponed a planned visit to Ottawa in mid-April."
Shorter Condi: WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!!!!!!
Jesus, this administration exudes all the diplomacy of a preemie w/ a wet nappy.
mrC
Dartful Dodger:
--- Quote from: mr.Curmudgeon on March 01, 2005, 02:43:46 pm ---I was never be so, to use one of Drew's most favorite derogatory terms, "ignorant" as to claim I automatically distrust *all* Republicans. My beef is with the fringe element that has hijacked the Republican party and whipped their base into such a fanatical frenzy that I see very decent people voting against their own best interests in support of the false premises of a wounded and dying ideology.
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Do you really think Kerry was the ideal man to be president, or were you voting for him because, you thought he was the lesser of two evils?
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fredster:
--- Quote ---My beef is with the fringe element that has hijacked the Republican party and whipped their base into such a fanatical frenzy that I see very decent people voting against their own best interests in support of the false premises of a wounded and dying ideology.
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There is no "fringe" element. It's mainstream. If anybody is hijacked, it's the dems. People I know that are "former" democrats took a look at the party platform and realized, hey, these people aren't doing for me what I want. Southern dems are repelled by gun control and all the entitlements the dems stand for. That's what is wrong. People took a look at who was standing with the candidates, and they didn't like what they saw. Simple as that.
--- Quote ---Was Barbara Boxer the NSA during the runup and subsequent execution of one of the worst attacks on American soil?
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Good question. Where was she? But not the point. There are numerous threats against the US everyday, probably all day. There are threats against nuclear plants, water supplies, highway systems. We have all seen them. Can we close down the US and take care of every weakness and every possible senerio? How can you sort out which one is real and which one is fake? The former administration didn't get it after the first World Trade Center bombing did they? It was only after 9/11 that all of these nutcases were taken seriously by anybody. Which one of the stack of threats on the desk should we freak about today Mr.C? How many more were there in the hour?
I guess the fact that it hasn't happened again helps me believe that Condi did a good job. After all, the former admistration had the WTC bombing, followed by the Oklahoma city bombing, followed by the bombing of the embassies overseas, followed by the Cole. Bush had 1. He doesn't have 2.
--- Quote ---It never ceases to amaze me how efficient Bush supporters are passing the buck.
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Right. And the Dems won't see where it started. Your man didn't have anything at all to do with this huh? The blame can be spread far and wide. There is plenty of reasons. But now we have to figure out what to do and not fingerpoint furiously at each other.
Bush decided to go in and take care of it. Boxer decided to give them tickets and call the "police". One said it was war and has fought it as a war. One says it's a criminal act and fights it like jaywalking. That was the former administatation's stance. Sure worked well huh?
--- Quote ---"CTV News has learned that U.S. Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice was so displeased by Canada's decision to opt out of the program that she's postponed a planned visit to Ottawa in mid-April."
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If the news is real then Good. We say what we do and do what we say. Integrity. Should we cowtow to everybody so they will like us or should we stand up and say who we are and where we stand? But who is CTV? Do you believe every network over the world as long as it reflects your belief? Remember when sky news reported they found a Nuke buried in Iraq? I'd like to believe it, but it didn't happen. Wait for details before believing anything. I don't see how CTV has a "hotline" to the administation, do you? Looks like an opinion rather than a fact.
--- Quote ---She lied about this administrations support of the Dept of Homeland Security. She lied about Cheney's Counterterrorism Task Force and it's complete and utter lack of meetings. I could go on, but I'll stop now....Wouldn't want to "impune her integrity."
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Where did you get these "facts" from Daily Kos or some left wing blog? Come on. I guess you think if you keep the mantra up that these things are real eventually they become real. Just like the dems wanting to call the UN to police Osama. Great.
Grow up and get with the plan Mr. C. It's a hard world and we have to make sure we take care of real, not imagined, problems. Listen to your Republican friends, and I listen to my democratic friends and we'll try to find enough common ground we can move on to the ideals this country stands for together.