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"Propagannon" confirmed : Fake reporter in WH press conferences.
fredster:
Cooter,
I have no doubt about we killed a lot of MILITARY in Iraq, not "civilians".
mr.Curmudgeon:
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--- Quote from: fredster on February 13, 2005, 11:53:17 pm ---It's not the same as a fabricated "journalist" being used to spread blatant propaganda coming from within the administration itself.
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You don't know that. You hope that. You wish it were true, past that, nothing. You reason it to be real, so it is.
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I hadn't "reasoned" any untruth to be real. "Gannon" was found out. There is always the possibility that there may be other's, even liberal "plants". But until they are discovered, I'll save the conjecture for you guys.
--- Quote ---I see a lot of critisim of the past, but no answers from the left for the future.. Everytime I ask a question in these threads about what should we do next It's - "well if bush hadn't have done this or that"
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BULL. SH!T. Many people on this side of the aisle, including myself, have offered NUMEROUS suggestions/plans/idioms/theories/strategies/ideas that in NO WAY involve bashing Bush, and/or wallowing in the past. If you haven't heard them, then you're not listening. Furthermore, some debates may very well involve elements of the past, and may include criticism (which unbeknownst to Conservatives and Right-wingers, is not "bashing") of Bush's decisions, because that cannot always be avoided, since he *is* the president and his past decision's *do* effect the present and future of a given situation.
--- Quote ---Conservatives are cowards
You don't know many do you? If you did, you wouldn't be saying that. Come down here to the south and say something like that.
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Isn't the very definition of Conservatism, "preferring gradual development to abrupt change", ie: fearful of modernity and progress? Well, the 21st century says.............."BOO!"
No Answer - Said the man who supports a president that has given the least amount of press conferences (answering to the public) in the history of the presidency.
No Plan - Said the man who supports a president w/ no post-war plan in Iraq.
No Vision - Said the man who supports a president, so blinded by corporate greed, he'd seek to dismantle/privitize (even against the wishes of a majority of his own party) one of the largest and most important social assistance programs in our nations history.
--- Quote ---save one. "Bush is bad" and rant rant rant.
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When a man is bad, that's all he gives you to work with, so don't shoot the messenger. I'm not going to praise him for the sake of it. He has to do something right first. When did you Bush supporters become so joined at the hip w/ the Boy-King that any criticism of him is a personal insult to you? The next four years are going to suck as bad for you as it is for us "Bush-bashers"...get over it now, he ain't gettin' any smarter.
"Dr.C"
fredster:
Do I see a man on the street with a sign that says "THE WORLD IS ENDING TODAY" on it?
--- Quote ---NUMEROUS suggestions/plans/idioms/theories/strategies/ideas that in NO WAY involve bashing Bush
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Right. Sure.
--- Quote ---Said the man who supports a president, so blinded by corporate greed, he'd seek to dismantle/privitize (even against the wishes of a majority of his own party) one of the largest and most important social assistance programs in our nations history.
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Last I heard, the President hasn't even presented his plan. How can you tear apart a plan that you haven't seen? What are the ACTUAL details of his plan? You don't know, unless you work for him now do you? That kinda REEKS of "bush bashing" to me.
--- Quote ---Isn't the very definition of Conservatism, "preferring gradual development to abrupt change", ie: fearful of modernity and progress? Well, the 21st century says.............."BOO!"
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By that definition, I'd say Bush is a liberal. He wants to abruptly change the world and abruptly change the tax system and abruptly change the social security system. He's one of you!!!!
--- Quote ---When a man is bad, that's all he gives you to work with, so don't shoot the messenger.
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"The man is BAD" again you aren't working off a fact sheet, you are working off the premise that he's bad. It's a logical fallacy to say that since he's bad, all of his decisions are bad.
Check this list MrC, you can work up your arguments from here, you are only half way through the list. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Logical_fallacy#A_list_of_fallacies)
ChadTower:
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No Plan - Said the man who supports a president w/ no post-war plan in Iraq.
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Really? Why do you assume that? Is it because he has not shared it with you? Or because he has not shared it with me? Why would you be so important that such a plan requires your input and approval? Why would I be? While I disagree with being there or having gone there, I suspect I understand what he is trying to do and I do see a plan. I don't have to agree with it to connect some pretty large dots and acknowledge a logical chain of events.
mr.Curmudgeon:
--- Quote from: fredster on February 14, 2005, 08:47:04 am ---Last I heard, the President hasn't even presented his plan. How can you tear apart a plan that you haven't seen? What are the ACTUAL details of his plan? You don't know, unless you work for him now do you?
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More importantly..*why* hasn't he presented the ACTUAL details of his plan? He is campaigning around the country, trying to strongarm opposition Democrats, yet...he hasn't unveiled the plan he's campaigning for? Sounds like a boondoggle to me.
Anyhow, there is enough information coming from this administration to make a valid criticism of Bush's planned direction w/ SS, without the bean-counting details. I suppose you'd have us wait until he ACTUALLY passed a reform bill before stepping up to the plate to voice concern?
Anyhow, let's save the Social Security debate for the other thread...personally, I don't care to debate it further, since Bush's plan is dead in the water. He can't even muster anything more than whimpering support from his own base. He just handed the Democrats a 'golden goose' platform for '06 w/ the whole privatization thingy.
mrC