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"Propagannon" confirmed : Fake reporter in WH press conferences.
mr.Curmudgeon:
--- Quote ---Fox is no.1 and soon will own the rest.
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I thought you cared about the truth and balance? How do you suspect we'd get the truth through such a horribly bad idea as your suggested media consolidation?
Given the flippant attitude you seem to have toward any of my concerns over diversity and balance in the media, I have to ask, would you support a state-run media? Do you support competition in the marketplace in other venues, or do you support monopolies?
If not monopolies, why would you support one were it to be in control of the vast amount of information given our citizens? Do you care so much more about "party politics" that you'd put that over your love of country? of Truth?
I am seriously curious about where you're coming from on this...
mrC
fredster:
Ok Ok. Fox is okay, CNN sucks, and I fall asleep when I watch MSNBC. Fox will overtake the rest, and dominate for a while. Notice the numbers dive for CNN. CNN dominated that for about 10 years.
CNN was the reverse of Fox. I was sick of wolf blitzer and that idiot (that was fired, I can't remember hs name) reporting on "baby milk factories" in '90 in GW1. They words were in english, and this guy was taking it seriously. Man what a tool. And who is this Candy Crowley woman? She breaths hard when she sets up.
Don't take too much into what I said about Fox taking over, but it's obvious with .2 ratings MSNBC can't live much longer. And a choice between Fox and CNN is a no brainer. Yahn on CNN. But the tsunami coverage was really good. Nobody did that better.
O'Reilly ran your piece about the teacher. Now that I actually saw the video, I think the teach was a little out of hand, but it was just as I though, a ploy to get this hothead teacher in trouble.
But I got something for your diary, and I don't know if this was even mentioned, I didn't see it anywhere. I saw fox do something that nobody even mentioned that I though was a right wing once. Remember the incredibly wonderful end to the Republican Convention? Kerry and whoever was his running mate (the name escapes me now) were doing an impromptu appearance right after the curtian went down. Likely they saw the MO Bush was getting, and since the dance was over they wanted a little spotlight. MSNBC and CNN covered it, I was surfing between them, and what was fox doing? They had the little republican Debs on and were talking to the stary eyed Bush supporters.
Nobody even noticed. I didn't see a word of it on any website.
I read your diary, and I saw that spot. Sorry, I thought that she was as just as beautiful as she always was, and she was just waiting on colmes to calm down. Ann Coulter was never known for subtlety. She sees a lot of things I don't, but she was a little over the top there, and I think she realized it and let colmes do his thing. But most of what she said was true, wasn't it? Kos hates Ann, and therefore he liked your diary. I have one too, I think.
Keep in mind MrC, you don't know much about me either. But if that actually was your writing I am more impressed with your passion, although I knew you were sincere. There was a media lock on the country for years by CBS, NBC, and ABC. Now we have a lot of news from every corner of the earth. When I grew up it was worse, I could only pick up CBS and NBC where I lived.
--- Quote ---Because they are *by far* the worst offenders and they are the most widely viewed. So their sin is even more egregious
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If you think so, but I watch them all. CNN doesn't even try to go the other way. CNN makes the conservatives defend, Fox makes the liberals defend. It's the opposite angle.
--- Quote ---Working together with organizations like Media Matters, the right-wing spin machine can be held accountable for the misinformation they so readily spread.
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My prediction? You will get 0 yards. Nobody is surprised that news organizations are biased left or right. Books have been written about it, documentaries, and numerous websites.
In the end, people make up their minds based on what they really believe. Move down south for a while or move to Indiana or someplace in the midwest and see what other people think. I've been to your area, and I was always real happy to leave. I couldn't believe that people actually thought that way and lived what appeared to be normal lives. You would be in for a shock.
mr.Curmudgeon:
--- Quote from: fredster on March 01, 2005, 05:34:33 pm ---He had a pass that you could get MR.C.
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Just to further debunk this false assumption: http://www.mediabistro.com/fishbowlDC/west_wing_reportage/wh_gaggle_watch_day_two_19071.asp
Read the most recent adventures of a group trying to get the pass that's so easy to get that even MR.C could get it!! Hell, fredster why don't you just apply for one and shut down this whole issue?
mrC
fredster:
I would if I lived close enough, or if I really cared.
It's a very dead horse. The government has media people all over it. Every "spokesman" is a plant. Every speech is a coreographed sketch. Every appearance calculated.
You have underestimated the Bush team over and over and over MrC. You do it again with this.
If they had a plant, he would have been much more reliable and he would have been much more well known. Gannon had the same credentials as anybody from Salon, etc. The only reason this guy even hit the radar was his inflamatory statement he made.
Give them credit for NOT being that stupid. Gannon no doubt was not part of some short term near sighted media campaign. He was a guy who was sympathetic to the press, had the right contacts, said the right things, and got in.
I doubt very seriously if they will make that mistake again Mr.C. They are watching. If we had known this in secret about 3 months ago, you and I could be yelling questions at the president. But now this out in the open, this loophole is very closed.
The media won't cover it right because it's a media issue and there are sorted rivalries and they don't like to be in the spotlight. The media doesn't cover media issues very well. Even the Rathergate crap wasn't exposed to the nth degree. There's more to that than we know. It's like cops turning in cops, or lawyers turning on lawyers, it's just not done very often or very well.
I don't like it on either side of the isle. ?But I believe what Scott McClellan said. I aslo believe that Gannon was a kinda real reporter that barely made the grade. But I don't believe the administration was stupid enough to put somebody like that out in public, no way.
Don't underestimate Bush Mr.C. It's your downfall.