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paigeoliver:
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--- Quote from: paigeoliver on November 13, 2004, 08:27:08 am ---My anti-drug stances are totally unrelated to my religous beliefs. I held to my firm anti-drug stance even when I was in full on rebelling against god mode.
As for your idea about killing bible holders. That day will come, that day will come. It is in the bible. Anyway, true christianity isn't killing anyone at all. . That was the Catholic Church, which is a similar, but distinct religion. When you get down to actual beliefs and details catholicism is as far from protestant christian beliefs as muslim beliefs are.
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You miss my point Paige. I'm not saying that you have to be religious to be a fascist. I'm saying that by your standards Christians should be shot on sight. Or Catholics. Whatever. The fact that you make a distinction scares me. Like you wouldn't have a problem with my hypothetical "kill the bible carriers" as long as it's "just the catholics" that we shoot.
I find it comical that you seem to think that you have some moral high-ground over the Catholics because your guys didn't participate in the Crusades (which was people killing other people for not agreeing with them) while at the same time you are right here advocating that we simply shoot people. You protestants don't sound so different to me....
Anyway, learn some history. If I'm not mistaken, Protestants played a bit of a role in a war that was so long and awful historians weren't able to come up with a more fitting name then just calling it by it's duration: The Thirty Years War.
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I in no way think we should be killing anyone for religous reasons.
But drugs are a scourge on out society killing an incredible amount of people, and leaving even more people wasted and miserable. I have heard all the pro-drug arguements, but they are all meaningless because I have seen the results of long term drug use. I have first hand seen people spend their last $10 on pot instead of food for their children. I have seen a co-worker get his mobile home repossed because he was too far behind on the $150 monthly payments, all the while spending $350 a month on pot, booze, and smokes.
patrickl:
Are soft drugs illegal? MUHAHAHAHAHAHHAA :P
patrickl:
--- Quote from: paigeoliver on November 13, 2004, 02:44:11 pm ---I have seen a co-worker get his mobile home repossed because he was too far behind on the $150 monthly payments, all the while spending $350 a month on pot, booze, and smokes.
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I'll bet the pot was the least of his problems. When I was young I'd spent maybe 3 euro on pot and 50 euro on booze (well we had guilders in those days, but still)
Grasshopper:
Well I've known loads of people who have taken pot (and occasionally harder drugs as well) and not one of them has come to any harm.
I guess they might have been lucky. But whether or not marijuana is harmful is beside the point. If you genuinely believe in a free society then you have to accept that people must be given the choice to do things that will possibly harm themselves.
All decisions are about risk vs reward. Some people make a judgement that the pleasure they get from drugs justifies the risks.
In any case most of the harm that drugs do to society stems from the fact that they are illegal. There were many heroin addicts in victorian times but the effect on society was much lower then than today because addicts didn't have to turn to criminals to get their fix. And the lower price of heroin (because it was readily available) meant that they didn't have to turn to crime themselves in order to pay for the stuff. Haven't we learnt anything from the prohibition era?
With regards to all the comments about marijuana ruining people's lives, I'm reminded of a quote from Jackie Brown (a very underrated film IMHO).
Ordell notices the bong in her hand and the smoke in the air.
ORDELL "Goddam, girl. You gettin' high already. It's only two o'clock".
Melanie smiles.
MELANIE "It's that late?"
Louis sits on the couch. He smiles at the comeback.
ORDELL "Ha-ha-ha. I'm serious, you smoke too much of that $hit. That $hit robs you of your ambition."
MELANIE "Not if your ambition is to get high and watch T.V."
Snarbald:
My uncle started out as a pot head and then proceeded to suppliment it with alcohol and heroin. He's off it now, but he fried his brain and looks like he's about two hundred years old now. Now he needs a liver transplant and to be honest I don't think he deserves to get priority over children on the donor list just because he'll die sooner without it.