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How To Power Your MAME Cabinet Web Page
« on: May 26, 2002, 08:59:17 pm »
I've created a basic web page which shows how I used a relay to power my MAME cabinet.   If you're interested you can take a look at http://home.bendcable.com/werstlein

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Re: How To Power Your MAME Cabinet Web Page
« Reply #1 on: May 27, 2002, 02:49:11 am »
Sorry, but could anyone explain me what "DPDT" stands for? Thanx!

(Don't need to go to much in detail, I'm an electronician, but I'm also german, so I just don't get the point what it is  ??? )
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Re: How To Power Your MAME Cabinet Web Page
« Reply #2 on: May 27, 2002, 07:56:17 am »
DPDT - Double Pole Double Throw switch

The following link has an explanation and diagram of a DPDT switch: http://www.colehersee.com/resource/dict_s.htm

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Re: How To Power Your MAME Cabinet Web Page
« Reply #3 on: May 27, 2002, 10:04:27 am »
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DPDT - Double Pole Double Throw switch


Thanx, you are speaking of a 2xUM relais! (so it's called here) :D No more questions, I just wondered if there is something really special on this relais, and couldn't figure out what. ;)
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Re: How To Power Your MAME Cabinet Web Page
« Reply #4 on: May 27, 2002, 06:42:34 pm »
Wow.

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Re: How To Power Your MAME Cabinet Web Page
« Reply #5 on: May 27, 2002, 07:46:08 pm »
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So I have a question:
I assume this allows you to mount an external switch on the cabinet and with a flick you can power up an ATX board instead of reaching inside and pushing the button every time you power it down.  Where does the switch tie into?  I'm having a hard time figuring out how the hard drive power connector fits into this.

Thanks!


I disconnected the power button that goes from my PC case to the motherboard.  I then rewired it so that a pushbutton from the control panel connects to the "power" connector on the motherboard.  All this does is move the pushbutton from the PC case to the cabinet's control panel.  The PC's power supply is plugged into the "always on" outlet while the monitor, marquee light and speakers plug into a power strip which plugs into the "relay switched" outlet.

The hard drive power connector coming from the junction box needs to connect to a spare hard drive connector inside the PC.  When the PC turns on the 12V from the PC's hard drive connector turns on the relay which turns on the "switched" outlet.

Does this make sense?  Let me know if you have any other questions.

Thanks,
COBeav
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Re: How To Power Your MAME Cabinet Web Page
« Reply #6 on: May 27, 2002, 08:20:04 pm »
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Does this make sense?


You betcha.  Thanks!
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Re: How To Power Your MAME Cabinet Web Page
« Reply #7 on: May 28, 2002, 11:48:12 am »
Hey COBeav, great write-up!  I was looking for a good single power switch solution and this is by far the best idea I have seen and I will certainly use it in my cabinet.  Thank you for taking the time to share your idea!
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Re: How To Power Your MAME Cabinet Web Page
« Reply #8 on: May 28, 2002, 12:37:52 pm »
Can this be done without soldering?

Thanks
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Re: How To Power Your MAME Cabinet Web Page
« Reply #9 on: May 28, 2002, 01:35:38 pm »
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Can this be done without soldering?

Thanks
James


I wouldn't do it without soldering mainly because I wouldn't want anything to come loose and create a short circuit at these voltages.  You might be able to crimp the terminal rings onto the wire.  Also, it might be possible to crimp the female side of a spade connector onto the wire which then slides over the terminals of the relay, but I don't know if the relay terminals are a standard size to create a snug connection.  

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Re: How To Power Your MAME Cabinet Web Page
« Reply #10 on: May 29, 2002, 06:18:44 am »
DON'T SOLDER YOUR RELAYS.  Sorry to yell but I wanted to get your attention.  The relay type COBeav selected from radio shack has a socket.  the socket has screw terminals on it.  you can wire to the screw terminals.  then the relay just snaps into the socket.  it won't come loose and if you ever have to replace the relay (you will eventually) you won't have to resolder all the connections.  email me if you need more information or I can send you pictures too.
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Re: How To Power Your MAME Cabinet Web Page
« Reply #11 on: May 29, 2002, 09:00:22 am »
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DON'T SOLDER YOUR RELAYS.
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Re: How To Power Your MAME Cabinet Web Page
« Reply #12 on: May 29, 2002, 05:01:48 pm »
Great write up and snapshots, COBeav.... The part number for the relay socket that I used was 2750220 $1.99.

Just in case the relay ever croaks... Here is/was a link to RadioSmacks site.

http://www.radioshack.com/product.asp?catalog%5Fname=CTLG&category%5Fname=CTLG%5F010%5F008%5F005%5F000&product%5Fid=275%2D220

ampapa, :D
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Re: How To Power Your MAME Cabinet Web Page
« Reply #13 on: May 29, 2002, 06:06:54 pm »
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Great write up and snapshots, COBeav.... The part number for the relay socket that I used was 2750220 $1.99.

Just in case the relay ever croaks... Here is/was a link to RadioSmacks site.

http://www.radioshack.com/product.asp?catalog%5Fname=CTLG&category%5Fname=CTLG%5F010%5F008%5F005%5F000&product%5Fid=275%2D220

ampapa, :D


ampapa,

Does that socket have screw terminals on it that can't be seen from the picture or do you still need to solder the wires on to it?

Thanks,
COBeav
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Re: How To Power Your MAME Cabinet Web Page
« Reply #14 on: May 29, 2002, 07:43:32 pm »
They are of the soldering type possibly also for wire crimped ends. Sorry, I forgot to mention that in my last post.

The obvious benefit to the socket is eliminating the direct soldering to the relay and possibly damaging it as well as making it easy to replace it for similar reasons.

ampapa, :D
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Re: How To Power Your MAME Cabinet Web Page
« Reply #15 on: May 30, 2002, 06:51:32 am »
Hey, thanks for posting what you did with this, it's always neat seeing how various people solve this problem.

However, maybe I'm missing something, but what's the point of the HD power connector built into the box? Do you connect that to any component per se, or just to a vacant power supply connector so that it completes the circuit when the power is on?


Thanks.
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Re: How To Power Your MAME Cabinet Web Page
« Reply #16 on: May 30, 2002, 09:13:07 am »
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Hey, thanks for posting what you did with this, it's always neat seeing how various people solve this problem.

However, maybe I'm missing something, but what's the point of the HD power connector built into the box? Do you connect that to any component per se, or just to a vacant power supply connector so that it completes the circuit when the power is on?

Thanks.


The HD Power connector is connected to an available power connector from your PC power supply. In this manner, when the PC is powered on, 12V are supplied to the relay which turns the switch "on" for the 110V side powering a wall plug which in turn has a power strip plugged into it for marquee, monitor/tv, and speakers.

Here's the excerpt from COBeav's wonderful writeup on this:

Also shown are the connections to relay terminals 7 and 8.  These are the 12V and ground connections to the PC's hard drive power connector.  It doesn't matter whether the 12V wire is connected to terminal 7 or 8, all that matters is one is 12V and the other is ground.  I created my own hard drive power connector assembly, but it would probably be easier just to buy a Y-adapter cable and hack it.

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Re: How To Power Your MAME Cabinet Web Page
« Reply #17 on: May 30, 2002, 10:09:54 am »
Thanks COBeav!

That is exactly what I have been looking for.
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Re: How To Power Your MAME Cabinet Web Page
« Reply #18 on: May 30, 2002, 01:08:18 pm »
How do you extend the PC's power switch to the outside of the cabinet? Could you do a little writeup on how that's done? Or is there a writeup already somewhere else? Thanks, the relay stuff you did is nice.
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Re: How To Power Your MAME Cabinet Web Page
« Reply #19 on: May 30, 2002, 01:28:59 pm »
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How do you extend the PC's power switch to the outside of the cabinet? Could you do a little writeup on how that's done? Or is there a writeup already somewhere else? Thanks, the relay stuff you did is nice.
-EA


Eventually I'll revise the web page to show more pictures of the actual installation.  You can either cut the wire to the PC's power switch and extend the wire up to the control panel to a new button or create an entire new button+wire+connector assembly and then just plug it directly into your motherboard (replacing the existing power button).

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Re: How To Power Your MAME Cabinet Web Page
« Reply #20 on: May 31, 2002, 06:49:58 pm »

Hey COBeav,

I don't have a Radio Shack part number.  I only was going by the picture on your website.  The relay you used looks to have a standard type configuration.  I do industrial automation and I get my relays and sockets from supply houses like Grainger and Newark.  You could check there or you could have Radio Shack Cross reference your part number.  I'm sure they could look up a socket for you.

I wasn't much help sorry... but that should give you some leads...





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Ted, can you provide a part number for the socket?
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Re:How To Power Your MAME Cabinet Web Page
« Reply #21 on: August 16, 2002, 05:17:10 pm »
There may be a simpler solution for people who's cabinets are DOS-based...

On my motherboard, there's a BIOS setting for "Power on after power failure".  I have that turned on, and all of the items in the cabinet that require power are plugged into a standard power strip, with the switch extended to the exterior of the cabinet.  Now I just power on that power strip and everything comes on, and since its DOS, I can just power it off at any time. (In fact, the power/graceful shutdown issue was one of the big factors in choosing DOS as the cabinet platform!)  Next time I power up, the BIOS interprets the previous power off as a power failure and fires up the system.

The relay is an excellent solution for Windows cabs that need to be shut down gracefully!
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Re:How To Power Your MAME Cabinet Web Page
« Reply #22 on: August 19, 2002, 11:27:43 am »
*** POWERING MONITOR 'DELAY' ***

I know this probs sounds really silly but I want my monitor to power up after a delay of around 10-15 seconds after my cab is switched on... any ideas on how to do it??

I want my cab to be authentic as poss - as in the first thing you see on power-up is MAME 'OK' screen.

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« Reply #23 on: August 19, 2002, 04:36:35 pm »

*** POWERING MONITOR 'DELAY' ***

I know this probs sounds really silly but I want my monitor to power up after a delay of around 10-15 seconds after my cab is switched on... any ideas on how to do it??

I want my cab to be authentic as poss - as in the first thing you see on power-up is MAME 'OK' screen.

Thanks!


There might be an easier solution!  I used the DOS from Windows 98 in my cabinet.  If you do this, or use a Windows-based cabinet, you can replace the startup screen with a MAME screen!  I can E-mail you my startup screen if you like...

By the time my monitor warms up, the MAME startup screen is there, hiding the boot process, and it goes right into my menu system from there.
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Re:How To Power Your MAME Cabinet Web Page
« Reply #24 on: November 12, 2002, 03:32:32 am »
COBeav, I found your page through Wiring page, and thought the idea was so cool, that I just had to do something like it. I didn't use a wall socket junction box like you did, although when I help my friend do the same thing for his cabinet, I will, just to make it easier.

I bought a new power strip especially for the project, but it turned out not to have an easy method for disassembly, short of cracking the case, so I swapped it out with an older power strip that I had, which had screws in the bottom. After opening it up, I cut out the filtering circuitry but left the circuit breaker in place. I needed the extra room, and it wouldn't have been easy to keep the filter in place with what I had in mind.

My strip had a center bus bar for the ground (green) wire, and two bus bars, one along either side, for the white and black wires. I pulled out the power and neutral bus bars (leaving the center ground strip alone) and cut a section out of the center of each so that I essentially had four pieces, two per side, with three sockets powered by each. I then soldered the main plug wires to the first set of two bus bars, and then soldered another set of wires (14-gauge) onto the end of the bars, and passed them out of the housing of the power strip.

The remaining two bus bars also got a wire soldered to each, so I now had two seperate sets of 3 sockets, 3 always on, and 3 "switched" by the PC power link. I was going to solder the wires to the Radio Shack relay like you did, but found the socket for the relay while I was digging through their parts drawers. In the end, I ended up not using the socket and not soldering. I used high quality insulated female disconnect terminals (14-gauge) and simply crimped the wire ends into the terminals. I'd had enough soldering for one day after completing the bus bars. :)

With my crimping pliers, I crushed down the tabs in the terminals slightly to get a tighter fit, and pushed them onto the relay tabs. They fit perfectly, are a tight fit, and aren't even all that easy to pull back off, so I had no worries about them coming back off, especially since I intended to enclose the relay before I was finished.

After finishing the wiring from the power strip to the relay, and hooking up the coil terminals of the relay to the 12V wires of an extra hard drive power harness with a ~4 foot extension, I started working on a plastic project box that I bought at Radio Shack also. I drilled a couple half inch holes, one in each end, and used a 3/8" (ID) rubber grommet to protect the wires, which I passed through. The power wires from the power strip went through one end and the 12V switch wiring went out the other. I then trimmed the top so that it would clear the rubber grommets (some interior trimming was necessary also) and drilled some ventilation holes in the top. I protected the wires going into the power strip and to the hard drive power plug with black plastic wire "flex-loom", installed the relay in the project box, and screwed the top on.

While all of the previous modifications were going on, I tested for continuity and impedance at each step to make sure that I wasn't buttoning up something that I'd have to open up again. After I was finished, I plugged the strip into the wall and tested the first three plugs with a multimeter. All were live, as planned. I then plugged the hard drive harness into one of my machines and powered it up, and the other three came on.

The power strip is now mounted inside the cabinet, with its power cable coming out the back of the cabinet using the same retaining brackets the original power cable used. I plugged the cabinet power cable and the Altec Lansing sub/speaker power converter into the switched terminals, and my AdvMAME PC into the first of the "always on" plugs.

I then drilled a couple 1 1/6" holes in the top of the cabinet (a Taito Egret II 29" JAMMA cabinet) and installed one red button for power and one white button for reset. I used a set of jumper wires from an old PC case to connect to the ends of the wiring for the two buttons, and plugged them onto the jumper pins on the motherboard of my PC.

So now the PC powers up when you hit the red button, turns on the monitor, light, and sound system automatically, and then goes into its routine, which includes playing an mpeg startup movie (from the Arcade 84 site... who says that Windows MAME users get to have all the fun?) and then straight into AdvanceMenu. AdvanceMAME has an OFF.COM utility that will power down most ATX motherboards, but I may not use that since I plan to run jukebox software on the same PC. So now upon exiting AdvanceMenu, I just hit the cabinet power button and everything powers down like a fully integrated package. Cool. :)

I took some pictures, but haven't bothered to download them off the camera yet, and it doesn't look like you can attach pictures on this messageboard, so I'd have to upload them first. Maybe in the next day or so. :)

Anyway, thanks for the idea and for putting up such an informative how-to page!

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Re:How To Power Your MAME Cabinet Web Page
« Reply #25 on: November 13, 2002, 12:22:50 am »
Hmmm, my setup is much simpler. I use a power strip that has a remote switch, the switch is mounted on top the cabinet. The Marquee and monitor is plugged into the switched side of the strip. I then wired a arcade button to the power button on the PC to turn it on. Its plugged into the always on side of the power strip. This way I can turn the monitor and marquee off but leave the PC on in case I want to send updates to it over the network. Its running winXP pro so I can make configuration changes with the remote desktop client over the network. Since its winXP if you tap the power button it does an orderly shutdown of windows and shuts the pc off. Tap again and it fires up.

No soldering, no relays, 2 buttons to turn it on but I needed a way to have the PC on with the monitor off.

Oh yeah I wired the coin lights to the 12v on a hard drive power connector in the pc so when the coin lights are lit I can tell the PC is on.
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Re:How To Power Your MAME Cabinet Web Page
« Reply #26 on: November 13, 2002, 01:41:00 am »
Hmmm, my setup is much simpler. I use a power strip that has a remote switch, the switch is mounted on top the cabinet. The Marquee and monitor is plugged into the switched side of the strip. I then wired a arcade button to the power button on the PC to turn it on. Its plugged into the always on side of the power strip. This way I can turn the monitor and marquee off but leave the PC on in case I want to send updates to it over the network. Its running winXP pro so I can make configuration changes with the remote desktop client over the network. Since its winXP if you tap the power button it does an orderly shutdown of windows and shuts the pc off. Tap again and it fires up.

No soldering, no relays, 2 buttons to turn it on but I needed a way to have the PC on with the monitor off.

Oh yeah I wired the coin lights to the 12v on a hard drive power connector in the pc so when the coin lights are lit I can tell the PC is on.

Could you post a picture of this or a link?

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Re:How To Power Your MAME Cabinet Web Page
« Reply #27 on: November 14, 2002, 11:17:53 pm »
While looking for an example of the power strip that I have I located this on ebay- http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2071762526
It looks pretty cool, its even better than my setup. Turning on and off the power on the computer turns the power strip on and off.
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Re:How To Power Your MAME Cabinet Web Page
« Reply #28 on: November 16, 2002, 01:38:30 am »
jimlab, I'm glad my page was useful.  The switched powerstrip on Ebay that eightbit posted is functionally the same, but I didn't see anything like it when I was building mine.

I'd be very interesting in seeing your pictures if you still have them.  If you don't have a website I know there are some online photo album sites that allow you to post pictures.

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Re:How To Power Your MAME Cabinet Web Page
« Reply #29 on: November 16, 2002, 02:32:00 am »
Here's the Radio Shack project box that I used to house the relay, as described above. The red and black wires are connected to the 12V hard drive power plug. As I mentioned, the insulated disconnects are a very snug fit, and won't come off without effort, but they will allow changing the relay fairly easily, should it fail.



And here's what the powerstrip looks like installed in the cabinet (Taito Egret II). The Altec Lansing subwoofer cube sits in the corner, and I fastened the powerstrip down with industrial velcro, after running its cord out the back of the cabinet. The "aqua", "violet" (sound system) and "purple" (monitor) plugs are switched on by the relay. The red, orange and green plugs are always live, and the computer plugs into one of them. Works for me. :)