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The Clinton gun ban has expired!
Mameotron:
--- Quote from: TA Pilot on September 16, 2004, 10:14:39 am --- We do not need any innefectual "feel good" legislation that only further burdens the legal system.
Agree.
We need gun control laws that:
-Keep guns from criminals
-Do not infringe on the right to arms.
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The trick here is to figure out how to do this. Criminals, by nature and by definition, tend to disobey laws. We already have laws established. I once worked with a guy who spent time in prison for armed robbery. He is not allowed to own any kind of gun, ever again. He still carries one.
--- Quote --- So why did they just pass a law requiring cashiers to card people who appear to be under the age of 27? This is worse than just nonsense, it clutters the judicial system and serves no real purpose.
Gun dealers are required to "card" gun byuers.
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You completely missed my point. There is already too much redundant legislation, and we don't need any more.
There is a law saying you can't sell tobacco to anyone under the age of 18. Why add another law that says you must check if they appear to be under 27? That is completely useless and redundant.
--- Quote --- It's the BULLET that does the actual killing, so let's make the bullet manufacturer liable for all gun related violence. After all, guns are useless without the bullets.
Guns, bullets, etc, are inanimite.
They are the tool, not the actor. The actor is the killer, the weapon is the tool with which he killed.
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Did you read the post you're quoting from? In the very next paragraph I explained that this statement was an illustration of how silly that argument is.
--- Quote ---But today everybody wants unlimited rights and no responsibility for their actions. It is this trend that offers us almost no other option but to increase controls.
Patently false. No one argues that the right to arms has no boundaries.
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Once again you have missed the point. I am using illustrations outside the gun control issue. This refers to the general attitude people have today. DrewKaree has started a thread addressing this very issue, using Dan Rather and the CBS News as a fine example (mainstream media "Rather" biased).
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fredster:
I can see the point about jilted lovers shooting each other. However, a lot of these murders we see are very violent. If there was a breakdown I'd say that (and I'm speculating) that most were done with bare hands.
I once got in a lot of trouble watching TV. My wife and her sister were with me and a news story came on about a man that stabbed his wife 17 times.
I said "wow, ONLY 17 times? he must have been tired"
At that point I was attacked.
(those of you married can related to that one).
abrannan:
I'm honestly not trying to make a point with this post, but does anyone have stastics on the number of assault rifle homocides/suicides/accidental deaths that were committed with a legally obtained assault rifle vs. those that were stolen/illegally obtained? Or even those stats for any type of firearm? Are those stats even tracked?
Dartful Dodger:
--- Quote from: hunky_artist on September 16, 2004, 07:33:50 pm ---how come The States then has more murders per year for the population, than most countries out there?
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According to that murder page, South Africa is number 2.
Hunky_artist doesn't your country control South Africa?
Doesn't your country also believe strict gun control laws?
Very interesting indeed.
Now a more important question.
Why is Benelli still refusing to sell American civilians collapsible stocks?!?!
TA Pilot:
If you have a basic knowledge of how an AR-15 works you can see how simple it is to convert it to full auto. It could easily be done at home with basic tools, but as you pointed out, that would be illegal.
Thats funny, because I have --intircate-- knowledge of the AR-15 and I KNOW it cant be done as you suggest.
You CAN geta full atuo sear and trigger group, but this requires the lowe receiver to be machined to accept it. Somethign that you;re not going to do with hand tools.
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