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The Clinton gun ban has expired!
fredster:
Well, yeah, maybe. The US is no. 24 on the list actually. Columbia is the leader. Russia is way up on the list. The UK is No. 46.
Check here:
http://www.nationmaster.com/graph-T/cri_mur_cap
Per capita murders anyway.
RacerX:
--- Quote from: hunky_artist on September 16, 2004, 07:33:50 pm ---ok, there are lots of 'for' arguments here... all saying guns dont kill people, and that if you wanted to kill someone you would.. whatever the weapon...
... so if that's true you shouldn't have any higher a percentage of murders in your country than anywhere else, right?
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That might be true, ceteris paribus, but the fact that guns are legal here is not the only factor involved. So your assertion is flawed.
DrewKaree:
--- Quote from: hunky_artist on September 16, 2004, 07:33:50 pm ---ok, there are lots of 'for' arguments here... all saying guns dont kill people, and that if you wanted to kill someone you would.. whatever the weapon...
... so if that's true you shouldn't have any higher a percentage of murders in your country than anywhere else, right?
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I'm not saying I did anything more than a cursory look into it, but perhaps you should take a look at the site fredster posted. There's SO much more evidence out there you will come across if you simply take your blinders off and set your bias aside. This guy started where you probably are, and through some research, saw where his theory was leading, and had the intestinal fortitude to change his mind based on the facts he could find.
--- Quote ---how come The States then has more murders per year for the population, than most countries out there?
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Your use of vague terms that gloss over or misdirect the reader speaks to your bias. Your argument is that we have more MURDERS per year than MOST countries. It's clearly not GUN-related murders, or you'd be crowing that from the highest peak, and even allowing for all murders, you still can't say we're tops in murder. Your attempt to lump your statement into this weapons ban argument is feeble at best.
--- Quote ---It is infinitly easier to shoot someone, than to physically plunge a knife in them, or kill them with your bare hands. The more removed from the victim you can be the easier it is. Especially for silly things like jilted lovers... where usuallly the worst that would happen without a gun is that they might get beat up.
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After doing a bit more than just a cursory look into it the BBC, of all people (that's over in England, home of one of the "more prohibitively gun control" nations ::) ::) )show how well a ban on weapons works.
Also, yet again, your "stand" against guns and your reasoning falls back on a term like "usually". That's solid ground on which to base a position if ever I heard it. ::) Your example also isn't one of those "premeditated" crimes being bandied about, so let's think about it: If there were no gun in the house of a jilted lover (due to this "ban" that most likely wouldn't apply to your example) you think he would give that beating, rather than getting a knife from the kitchen (unless you think that anyone who wouldn't allow guns in the house also wouldn't allow knives) and comitting the same murder? After all, It is infinitly easier to shoot someone, than to physically plunge a knife in them, or kill them with your bare hands, so making it harder for them to kill would stop this crime???
You can't go through life with your head in the sand.
1) you'll asphyxiate yourself
2) eventually, they'll dig a hole and put the facts down there
3) you can't find the polls to vo...nevermind...you'll be safe down there. ::)
MasTequila:
I do not own a gun but I do see it as ok for everyone else too. I think it is important that they be handled correctly and with proper precautions. I have never heard a story where the parents of a child that got killed by a gun said that child unlocked the gun and the ammo, then loaded it and shot it and killed themselves or another.
As many have stated it is a constiutional right and it is not outdated it is about responisbility.
~Mas
P.S. While not having owned a gun I have shot both a 9mm pistol and a M-16 at Quantico (sp?) when I was a sophomore in highschool.
Mameotron:
--- Quote from: TA Pilot on September 16, 2004, 01:42:15 pm ---
They are slightly limited, but you can convert almost all on the list to fully automatic for less then 100bucks.
You cannot.... and if you did, you'd break federal law and commit a felony.
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You are completely wrong.
If you have a basic knowledge of how an AR-15 works you can see how simple it is to convert it to full auto. It could easily be done at home with basic tools, but as you pointed out, that would be illegal.
Theoretically speaking, it takes less than 5 minutes to swap out the parts and convert it back to semi.
It is very easy to find out how to do this. Ask around at a gun show, talk to a few ex-military people, surf the net (I haven't done that, but it HAS to be posted somewhere).
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