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1000 Reasons not to vote for GW
GGKoul:
--- Quote from: fredster on August 20, 2004, 02:11:59 pm ---Gun Control:
Only the criminals have guns in Canada. The law abiding citizens had to give theirs up. I don't see where it will help us.
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If I wanted a gun, I can get a gun.. There is no issue with Canadian getting a gun... it's just not my "'right" too have gun. Canadians are hunters..
--- Quote from: fredster on August 20, 2004, 02:11:59 pm ---We have freed France, Germany, brought down the Wall, and have established democracy all over this planet.
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I'm your forgetting a couple of things regarding this... Canadian Soldiers were also fighting in WW1 & WW2 long before US got involved with these wars. And we've helped freed a bunch of countries too. Remember, Canadian Soldiers were the only soldiers to land on Normandy beach where they were suppose to.
GGKoul:
--- Quote from: shmokes link=board=6;threadid=23483;start=40#msg192022 ---Public Healthcare Funding, per capita: U.S.=$2,051 Canada=$1,826
Private Healthcare Funding, per capita: U.S.=$2,580 Canada=$709
Total Annual Cost of Healthcare, per capita: U.S.=$4,631 Canada=$2,535
So, Canadians can actually afford healthcare. It must be inferior in quality, right?
Babies born with low Birthweight: U.S.=7.8% Canada=5.6%
Doctors per 1000 people: U.S.=2.8 Canada=2.1 (U.S. actually wins this one)
Child mortality per 1,000: U.S.=16 Canada=11
Life Expectancy (in years): U.S.=77.14 Canada=79.83
Life Expectancy (Healthy Years): U.S.=67.6 Canada=69.9
Probability of not living to 60: U.S.=12.8% Canada=9.5%
Plastic Surgery Proceedures ;D : U.S.= 90,992 Canada= 11,102
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Great Stats!
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shmokes:
Another one for Fred...
--- Quote from: fredster on August 20, 2004, 02:11:59 pm ---Voter turnout.
Voter turnout has nothing to do with anything.
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You don't think that whether a person votes is any kind of indicator of whether that person is interested in politics???? I mean, certainly there are other indicators, but that's a pretty valid one that's nice and easy to quantify.
--- Quote ---Boycott:
No, it's not. The comparison between Cuba and Canada is absurd. Cuba was supported by Russia. I wouldn't say that their quality of life has improved from the time Castro took control would you? If it was so nice, then I don't suppose they'd be on boats to FLA would they?
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I didn't say Canada would be better off if the U.S. boycotted them for 30 days, I said that said boycot would certainly not end their civilization. In fact, if I remember right I also said that for obvious reason Canada would not want to sever their relationship with the U.S. Of course, the quality of life in the U.S. would also be impacted negatively if we boycotted Canada.
--- Quote ---I think that we are the leader of not only the free world, but the entire world.
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But, of course, we are neither. At least not by American standards -- considering that would make America an unelected dictator. If you believe that the right to rule comes solely from one's military power, I wonder if it isn't you, and not me, who should move to another country. In America we believe in democracy.
--- Quote ---I think in fact you have fallen prey to those who would undermine the way of life in the US. It is dividing our culture and destroying our core values.
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That's absolutely correct. I'm all about undermining the way of life in America, because I believe it could be a lot better. I think it's important to destroy core values that suck. The inferiority of blacks compared with whites was such a core value of America that the Constitution of the United States actually defines a black man as 3/5 of a person. I don't care about the status quo, I care about right and wrong.
--- Quote ---Look at Canada, they can't even figure out what Language to speak. They are taxed to the point they want to migrate to the US to escape it.
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Have another statistic:
Average Annual Budget Revenues, per capita: U.S.= $6,702.42 Canada=$5,545.35
Canadians pay less than we do in taxes. Maybe it's you who should be supporting your claims with facts.
fredster:
Please. There are so many reports of socialized medicine falling apart, it is a shame people buy into it. Geeze. Here's a link (out of at least 3000 I could find) to refute the WHO impression of it. I didn't find that comparison by the way in my search. I did find a whole lot of this though :
http://www.fraserinstitute.ca/admin/books/chapterfiles/Executive%20Summary-pages1-6.pdf#1
The Canadian system is not as well managed as people would like, and private doctors are not in the system. No wonder the English speaking doctors are heading to the good ol' USA. It has no competition. The world looks to the US as the innovator. Let me put it this way, if anybody in your family is sick or terribly ill, do they seek the experts in any other country besides the USA? Where do the rich of the world go for experts? Canada? No. They come here.
Now I'm not against Canada per say. No way. Canada has worked with American much better than Mexico in the past. The Liberal government of Canada is trying to maintain itself.
Eventually, any goverment/country in trouble will start blaming some other unrelated factors to divert the blame from theselves. Don't Buy into that.
And find Foxnews Channel in Canada on your cable. Go ahead, look for it in the listings. If it's there and you can find Bill O'Reilley, then I appologize.
I guess what tees me off is foreigners wanting to interfere in American Politics. I don't mind Shmokes or Mr. C going off, but I don't think it's my place to discuss political trends in other free countries like the UK, Austrailia, or Canada. And vice versa.
By the Way Shmokes, as far as the smoking remark, I wasn't trying to pun your name. I was trying to draw the comparison of issues. One is not as severe as the other. But some people go off on smokers and think it should be banned. I'm a smoker. I love smoking. Abortion is the same way. Just because it isn't banned doesn't mean people won't disagree about it.
And the US did free those countries by our direct involvement with the Allies. It's not narcissistic. It's a fact. You can spin it anyway you want, but it will come out that the US is the leader in those respects.
And it's a right to own firearms in the US. A lot of people have fought and died for that right. I don't plan on giving anymore rights.
shmokes:
--- Quote from: fredster on August 20, 2004, 05:49:44 pm --- A lot of people have fought and died for that right. I don't plan on giving anymore rights.
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Oh yeah? How about a woman's right to have an abortion? Would you give that up? Or is it only the rights you use that you want to protect?
And a cable company choosing not to put Fox News in their linup as a business decision is a far cry from government censorship. I really think you should consider a little fact checking before you click the post button.
Basic Dish Network service where I live doesn't include Fox News. That's probably the Censorship from the Bush Administration, eh? They must hate Fox News.