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1000 Reasons not to vote for GW
Dartful Dodger:
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--- Quote from: fredster on August 20, 2004, 05:49:44 pm --- A lot of people have fought and died for that right. I don't plan on giving anymore rights.
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Oh yeah? How about a woman's right to have an abortion? Would you give that up? Or is it only the rights you use that you want to protect?
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A lot of people are dieing for abortion too.
The ones dieing are against abortion, and they're to young to vote.
hulkster:
how about a womans right to show off her boobs!??! thats what i stand for: "boobs, breasts, and the american rack"
GGKoul:
--- Quote from: hulkster on August 20, 2004, 06:19:22 pm ---how about a womans right to show off her boobs!??! thats what i stand for: "boobs, breasts, and the american rack"
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Here's a site for you.. http://www.topfree.ca/ <--- It's Canadian.
Also, in Canada, For a short period after the Ontario Court of Appeal ruled in 1996 that a Guelph woman was not indecent when she walked down the street topless, some street-corner prostitutes in that province displayed their breasts to potential customers.
GGKoul:
--- Quote from: fredster on August 20, 2004, 05:49:44 pm ---The Canadian system is not as well managed as people would like, and private doctors are not in the system. No wonder the English speaking doctors are heading to the good ol' USA. It has no competition. The world looks to the US as the innovator. Let me put it this way, if anybody in your family is sick or terribly ill, do they seek the experts in any other country besides the USA? Where do the rich of the world go for experts? Canada? No. They come here.
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Just to give you the facts about Canada's Health Care system:
- Canada does not have a 2 Tier health care system. As Health Care is a basic right for all Canadians and not a "private" health care system for those you can afford it.
- The only Canadian doctor's that are going to the US, are the ones mainly in the cosmetic industry. As there is a larger market in the US.
--- Quote from: fredster on August 20, 2004, 05:49:44 pm ---The world looks to the US as the innovator.
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Yes, that was the case. But when I last checked, stem cell research wasn't allowed in the US. And this is forcing some Research Doctors to move outside of the US to continue their research by usign stem cells. And because of this, your going to see more innovations coming form other place. Doctor's leaving the US is similar to what happened in Germany in the 1940's & 50's. When doctor's left to come to the US to continue their research with out any interference from the "State"
--- Quote from: fredster on August 20, 2004, 05:49:44 pm ---Let me put it this way, if anybody in your family is sick or terribly ill, do they seek the experts in any other country besides the USA? Where do the rich of the world go for experts? Canada? No. They come here.
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If I'm sick, I go to the hospital and I get taken care of. Yes, the Rich of the world come to the US when they are sick. Because in the US health care.. money talks. If Canada, if I'm sick, I get the best experts in that field to help me. I don't have to pay extra money to have that expert take care of me.
But when I last check, the leading places for Aids, Cancer, MS research was in Canada.
Yes, there is some issues with the Canadian Health Care system. But at a bare minium, a sick person, regardless of how mutch money they have or if they have insurance or not.. in Canada, they will be taken care of and not be sent out into the cold.
shmokes:
--- Quote from: Dartful Dodger on August 20, 2004, 06:05:15 pm ---
The ones dieing are against abortion, and they're to young to vote.
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I can go on and on about this too, but I assume that most people here would just as soon not have the abortion argument here.
My point is, Fredster wants to undermine our way of life too. Abortion is currently legal, he wants it to be illegal. We both want to change the country for the better. My idea of better is just better than yours. ;)
And Fred, the WHO isn't taking a position on socialized medicine with those statistics. I simply went to their website to get factual information. They're facts. I didn't get that information out of a WHO article promoting socialized medicine. I sifted through the statistics they had listed for all member countries, isolated the figures for the U.S. and Canada and relayed them to you. They are just facts, presented at face value, and you have to come to concusions on your own based on those facts.
I really think that's something that sets you and I apart. You get your information from people who have a strong political agenda, like Fox News and Bill O'Reilly. I'm not going to come into a political discussion trying to refute things people say by quoting Bill Maher. Don't get me wrong, I think Bill Maher is really intelligent, articulate and entertaining. But he's got an agenda. He's extremely biased. He only gives information that reflects positively on his side.
For example, if I had got those health statistics from Bill Maher's website (if he has one), you can bet that the one about the number of doctors per 1000 people would have simply been left out, because it didn't support the argument. The U.S. had Canada beat on that one. It wouldn't be lying, it just wouldn't be complete. This is the kind of information you get from people like Bill O'Reilly and Bill Maher. They don't want you to be informed. They only want you to be informed of things that will make you agree with their political position.