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Dave_K.:
--- Quote from: Howard_Casto on August 24, 2002, 07:43:14 pm ---There's not such thing as "todays" arcade games. The arcade is dead..... My objection to console games on arcade panels is the crippleing effects this has to gameplay. They don't "feel" right. There are a very few exceptions but this is just in general.
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I disagree with you here. I also think how a console game "feels" in an arcade cabinet is quite subjective. Just because you have a stigma against them doesn't mean everyone else does. I think we should table this topic for another discussion thread. I wonder if we should move this discussion to the main board so the rest of the community could contribute their opinions as well?
--- Quote from: Howard_Casto on August 24, 2002, 07:43:14 pm ---But that isn't the point anyway... there still isn't enough relevant info to put on a page anyway. Video pinouts?
lik-sang has ntsc to pal/vga/rgb out and they are only 30$
Controls on a console?
Buy a pad and hack it.
Analog hacking?
Well no one has done it yet, but if someone can I assure you that the info will be equally applicable to pc setups and it will be posted here anyway.
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Thats funny when just before you said "I think the type of hacking you are talking about would merit a whole website" :)
I don't understand why you are trying to trivialize this. People are asking for this information on the main boards everyday!Just because we aren't dealing with a PC doesn't mean its childs play. For example, there is a world of difference between the cheap upscan/converters Lik-Sang sells and what you can hack a console to do natively. I'd rather NOT see a blurry/shaking picture on my cabinet thankyou.
Hacking pads has gotten a lot more difficult with the advent of analog controls. I see no PC joypad as complex as the Dual Shock, Xbox, or Gamecube pads. So nobody in the PC/Mame world is going to bother hacking them (or care for that matter since a majority of Mame games use simple digital controls).
I think there is enough info worthy of an entire section on this site. I've started putting together content myself and hope to submit it to Saint within a week or so.
--- Quote from: Howard_Casto on August 24, 2002, 07:43:14 pm ---See that's basically it, so why are we arguing anyway?
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I really don't see this as an argument...but more a discussion on the pros/cons of console arcade games (and the worthyness of console content on BYOAC).
-Dave
tom61:
--- Quote ---Ah...console pad hacking. Yes the old PSX pads are indeed just like most PC pads, and the hack is essentially the same. But the PS2, Xbox, Gamecube pads is a totally different story.
There have been lots of discussion on hacking analog controls. Are you saying nobody will be interested in this content??
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Like most things, we'll link to it if you post a website about it. It may take awhile for it to be linked, depending on where it is decided to be linked. (The example page is database driven, and easy to update. Most other pages have to be manually edited, and therefore take longer.)
--- Quote ---I even offered content for Dreamcast video hacking. The response (from Tom at the time) was that he was working on a Dreamcast page (you mentioned it below) and didn't need any more content. That page never got linked into the site (is it even linked now??).
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You're pee'ved about something that took place 3+ years ago? Alot has changed since then.
OK, here's the story of the Dreamcast page:
I had just gotten a Dreamcast for my birthday a month or less before. I was starting to hack it, order adapters and the like, when Saint posts the frequently requested Dreamcast page pretty much out of the blue. I decided I'd take it under my wing, since Saint didn't even have a Dreamcast (and still doesn't have as far as I know). I corrected some of the misinformation (like having to buy a $300+ adapter to use on an arcade monitor), and added some stuff I had found out (like the Total Control 2 adapters). I had planned to complete the page as I completed hooking up my Dreamcast to my cabinet. Check out my site http://www.iland.net/~tom61 dealing with my progress on hacking consoles to my cab. The last update I made was saying that I've had zero luck with hacking consoles to my arcade cab. The only thing I've really done towards the group of information for console hacking, is finding out not all SCART cables are the same, and are not good for hacking with Dreamcast.
Eventually CD_vision's site popped up, he had actually hacked the controllers to arcade controls! I started forwarding people to that site, since it beat the theory I had. Soon other people hacked Dreamcasts to arcade controls, and what little I had became mostly redundant. Then the PC2Jamma site added the DC2Jamma section which had pretty all the info needed, including how to hack L and R on (analog) an official controller to push buttons, and Dreancast to arcade monitor. I abandoned the page completely after that.
Dave_k:As far as when you emailed me, if it was not long after the creation of the page, I was sorting through and figuring out how to apply a great amount of information I had gotten (like a page on how to use 8 way joysticks on Hall-Effect and potentiometer based arcade games). If all you were giving was theory, I probably wasn't interested too much, since I already had too much theory, and not enough application (actually getting stuff to work with Dreamcast).
I hope that explains everything. Since there seems to be alot of interest in console hacking I'll see if I can coax some people from Dreamcast Emulation (which has a dedicated Dreamcast hacking and console repairing board) and Consolevision (a site dedicated to pretty much every console) to help.
Dave_K.:
Tom, there is no need to explain anything. I do not hold grudges (certainly for this long) :). I was merely disappointed not only that my DC hacking info never made it to the site, but that the entire DC page never even made it to the site. It felt like BYOAC was not interested in consoles at all. That's the "small" chip on my shoulder. This thread started out just as sarcarsm when I read some info on console pads being posted to the Alternatives section.
I don't fault you personally. I never (and still don't) have a website with which to host my own content. So I sent you an email stating how to hack a VGA box for hooking your DC to an arcade monitor (a much simpler solution than what dc2jamma posted on his site about hacking a scart cable with lm1881 circuit). I wanted a little credit for coming up with the idea first (and have it posted to BYOAC). I understand if you didn't have time to pull all the info together.
Anyway that was the past. All I wanted to find out now was if console info was still "welcome" on BYOAC. Thats why I started stirring the pot with this thread.
I would be more than happy to contribute what I know on the topic if its welcome (and Saint answered that in his response). I started pulling some content together and hope to submit it to you/saint in a week or so.
-Dave
Dave_K.:
Ok I just emailed you guys a boat load of content on consoles to arcade controls (in an easy to digest format). You don't have to do much if any html editing...so no excuses this time ;).
-Dave
saint:
Dave - please resend? I can't find the email. Hoping to get some time for the FAQ this weekend... Thank!
Scratch that - found the address you sent it to. Thanks!
--- Quote from: Dave_K. on September 02, 2002, 09:41:52 pm ---Ok I just emailed you guys a boat load of content on consoles to arcade controls (in an easy to digest format). You don't have to do much if any html editing...so no excuses this time ;).
-Dave
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