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Howard_Casto:
I can't respond to all of your comments so let me just make my point of view clear.
Arcade sticks are best suited for arcade games ONLY. Not, console ports of arcade games, not pc games. That's why they are used only in the arcade, and there has never been a successful commercial arcade stick for a console.
I'm not saying that means anything, I'm just saying that arcade sticks are intended to be used with arcade games, and right now the only way to get a truely arcade perfect experience is through mame or other similar emulators. The arcade ports are really close, but they still aren't perfect.
This site is huge and expansive as is. I think the type of hacking you are talking about would merit a whole website, not just a section as not only is it a different type of project, but it's a totally different community.
Btw modern arcade games suck. Ok I said it.. let the flames begin. :P
Dave_K.:
--- Quote from: Howard_Casto on August 19, 2002, 02:16:32 pm ---Arcade sticks are best suited for arcade games ONLY. Not, console ports of arcade games, not pc games. That's why they are used only in the arcade, and there has never been a successful commercial arcade stick for a console.
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So why is that that every 3rd party manufacturer of console pads makes a fighter/arcade joystick?
--- Quote from: Howard_Casto on August 19, 2002, 02:16:32 pm ---I'm not saying that means anything, I'm just saying that arcade sticks are intended to be used with arcade games, and right now the only way to get a truely arcade perfect experience is through mame or other similar emulators. The arcade ports are really close, but they still aren't perfect.
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Ok, I think there is still some mis-communication going on here. When I talk about arcade ports to console I am NOT talking about the Namco Classics CD (with PacMan and DigDug). I'm talking about Tekken, Marvel v.s. Capcom, Soul Calibur... These ports have in most cases been BETTER than the original arcade versions...for example Soul Calibur got a major graphics upgrade during the port and Tekken got new game modes.
--- Quote from: Howard_Casto on August 19, 2002, 02:16:32 pm ---This site is huge and expansive as is. I think the type of hacking you are talking about would merit a whole website, not just a section as not only is it a different type of project, but it's a totally different community.
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Woah partner, don't draw that dotted line so quickly. There are plenty of people on BYOAC asking questions about consoles. I think it would be nice to have a FAQ and Section on the topic (mostly to avoid the numerous newbie questions). How this info integrates with the rest of the site is up to debate (since the site was built on the house of Mame).
--- Quote from: Howard_Casto on August 19, 2002, 02:16:32 pm ---Btw modern arcade games suck. Ok I said it.. let the flames begin. :P
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I sense someone gets schooled regularly when he goes down to the local arcade nowadays. ;) [just joking] Debating the merits of modern arcade games (and console games for that matter) is a completely different topic. But don't poo-poo on the idea of adding console content to this site just because you don't like 'em.
-Dave
Howard_Casto:
--- Quote ---Ok, I think there is still some mis-communication going on here. When I talk about arcade ports to console I am NOT talking about the Namco Classics CD (with PacMan and DigDug). I'm talking about Tekken, Marvel v.s. Capcom, Soul Calibur... These ports have in most cases been BETTER than the original arcade versions...for example Soul Calibur got a major graphics upgrade during the port and Tekken got new game modes.
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Exactly my point, so these games are not arcade games, they are new games based on an arcade game. For me that is a definate no no.
Oh and btw, I haven't been to a local arcade since around 93. Innovation stopped around then and it's been downhill from there, with a few noteable exceptions.
And people ask console questions here because there isn't another site. The normal byoac'ers and the old timers of the site don't mess with consoles that much. Once again, I'm not saying there is anything wrong with consoles, I just think it would be better suited on it's own site.
Hacking arcade controls to run on consoles is a different mentality. To hack them to a pc for mame and other emus, you are trying to preserve an arcade gaming experience by playing true arcade games.
Console hacking boggles my mind quite frankly... it's like those guys who used to hack snes's with arcade controls. What exactly is the point? You have maybe a handful of games that will play well with those controls and really those games are still in the arcade, so you should really go there, spend some cash and support a dying era, that of the arcade.
Dave_K.:
Its clear we both have very different opinions on what constitutes an "arcade" game. But this is "Build Your Own Arcade Controls"...and not a Mame preservation society website. The point here is to help people build arcade style controls/cabinets for their enjoyment at home. Believe it or not, but some people want to run more than just Mame in their cabinets (like MP3 Jukeboxs, and watch movies). Are you going to condem them as well? I for one (being an "old time BYOACer") would like to expierence something new and bring home TODAY'S modern arcade games as a compliement to classic emulated games. After all, today's modern games may turn into tomorrows classics. I believe this opinion is more than just a "minority" (as you put it) in the BYOAC community.
-Dave
Howard_Casto:
--- Quote from: Dave_K. on August 21, 2002, 04:50:12 pm ---
Its clear we both have very different opinions on what constitutes an "arcade" game. But this is "Build Your Own Arcade Controls"...and not a Mame preservation society website. The point here is to help people build arcade style controls/cabinets for their enjoyment at home. Believe it or not, but some people want to run more than just Mame in their cabinets (like MP3 Jukeboxs, and watch movies). Are you going to condem them as well? I for one (being an "old time BYOACer") would like to expierence something new and bring home TODAY'S modern arcade games as a compliement to classic emulated games. After all, today's modern games may turn into tomorrows classics. I believe this opinion is more than just a "minority" (as you put it) in the BYOAC community.
-Dave
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There's not such thing as "todays" arcade games. The arcade is dead. All that's left are racing sims and gun games. A true arcade game hasn't been released in quite a while. Those few that have are a pitiful attempt by programmers to make a few extra bucks off of their console game before it's released for a home market. The problem I have with them is they are console games... even in the arcade they feel like a consoel game to me. That's not a bad thing, that just tells me that I should wait until it comes out for the xbox, ect and play it on it, with the console controller, as it was intended.(regardless of the bs they try to tell you about it being an arcade port.)
I don't know where jukeboxes and media players got into this discussion. What do they have to do with this? They aren't games and thus gameplay isn't an issue. My objection to console games on arcade panels is the crippleing effects this has to gameplay. They don't "feel" right. There are a very few exceptions but this is just in general.
But that isn't the point anyway... there still isn't enough relevant info to put on a page anyway. Video pinouts?
lik-sang has ntsc to pal/vga/rgb out and they are only 30$
Controls on a console?
Buy a pad and hack it.
Analog hacking?
Well no one has done it yet, but if someone can I assure you that the info will be equally applicable to pc setups and it will be posted here anyway.
See that's basically it, so why are we arguing anyway?
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