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| Zebidee:
--- Quote from: RandyT on September 16, 2022, 01:36:20 pm ---...The machines are merely representative examples of a class of device, i.e. you pretty much understand what they are, so their inaccuracies aren't of import. One could, however, interpret some of those inaccuracies as intentional and apply a reasoning for them. Ambiguity isn't always a bad thing. I believe the AI did select most of the elements intentionally, including the one you pointed out. The decorations on the walls, the state of the machines, the stuff on the floor all have contribution to the "story". There is even a surprising subliminal element to the piece which I have to believe is purely accidental. It does, however, contribute to the over-arching theme if "seen" in a certain way by the viewer. --- End quote --- Yes. I see value for this kind of AI art - original, but delivered in response to input parameters. It is art, of a kind. I can see it becoming diffused or blended with non-AI art, or used to stimulate ideas during the creative processes. Creativity works better when it is given some kind of scaffold or framework to form upon. The creative process transforms this seed into a tree. Something like that anyway. If the lack on controls on the cabs is an error, that will improve as the AI models for such things improve. I also see potential in places like VR sector where worlds can be huge, and making many different parts unique a challenge. I used to do game level design back in the Wolfenstein/DooM/Quake era, and as a designer (or player) you got pretty tired of the same limited set of textures. Like, the same bloodstains and tiles on every wall. If you had some AI, it could re-arrange the tiles and blood differently each time. That kind of thing. Heck they are probably doing it already, I don't play modern games much anymore. Is it really art? The question doesn't matter. If the viewer finds meaning then I guess it is. Even if the AI or artist is completely ignorant to it. I find myself wanting to compare this to discussions about AI chatbots like Google's Lamda Anyone remember Eliza from the late 1970's/early 80's? We had a port of Eliza, named Ralph the Psychotherapist, on our TRS-80 clone. It was great fun for a while, until the conversations started going in circles because ultimately Ralph didn't have anything new to say. I recall trawling through the code (good old BASIC), and even adding new stuff for Ralph to say, but limited by the 32kb memory and the fun wore off soon. Back to modern bots like Lamda, which I see as simply a more sophisticated Eliza/Ralph, people like to talk over their coffee about whether they really are intelligent, or just fancy calculators. Reflecting on our conversation above, I am inclined to say: if you can't tell the difference, does it really matter? |
| Zebidee:
--- Quote from: leapinlew on September 16, 2022, 10:45:50 pm ---Clearly... --- End quote --- Heh :cheers: |
| Zebidee:
--- Quote from: Xiaou2 on September 16, 2022, 07:50:40 pm ---As an Artist myself (and also, knowing many other artists) ..I dont agree with that. --- End quote --- lol, well I certainly didn't mistake you for a scientist. Many people have also accused me of being an artist too. Sometimes I agree with them. I think that getting a room full of artists to agree is a bit like herding cats. Yet that never seems to bother them. I also know a lot of artists. I literally grew up in art studios, galleries and workshops. Art and art books all over the house. I know where the most prominent artists in my area are. They come to my house from time to time, or vice-versa. My house is designed by a very famous local artist who is also a very good friend (you see big coffee table books about him at airports). Yes despite all that, I can't find a decent painter for my house. Local tradies don't understand the materials, they don't know how to work paint in with a brush, they don't even know how to sand properly. They don't put any heart (or much of anything else) into it. --- Quote ---Countless artists works, are in fact, very well planned out... with regards to both Composition, and their intended Meanings. --- End quote --- This is true, but many of these will still have extra meanings added to them, intentionally or otherwise. Many works are not so well planned out, and I'm not just talking about abstract expressionism. Sometimes the artist just picks up the brush and paints without thinking too much. --- Quote ---Who doesnt have words to describe something? --- End quote --- Is this rhetorical? There are a great many things we all find difficult to describe in words, and for which a picture may reveal things we don't even know we want to say. You said it yourself, a picture says a 1000 words. For those who are very good at conveying ideas, meaning, feeling, "art" with words, I think we call them "Poets". |
| RandyT:
--- Quote from: leapinlew on September 16, 2022, 10:45:50 pm --- --- Quote from: RandyT on September 16, 2022, 10:58:19 am ---I'll end this with another interesting piece I like. See if you can extract some meaning from it :). --- End quote --- Clearly it represents that woman, during the golden era of video games were shunned. The left arm of this woman is deformed and worthless in a world dominated by joysticks. The games are devoid of controls to represent the futility to even try and the absolute certainty of failure. The only escape is into the gray unknown. Clearly... --- End quote --- While not the intended meaning of the work, I like this a lot. The fact that you went in that direction, and it fits, tells me that the work really has earned the classification of "true art." :) But you did pick up on some of the feelings being conveyed. |
| DaOld Man:
I like it, but it saddens me that arcades didnt make it through the pre-apocalyptic era. Maybe their demise was the apocalypse??? |
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