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| Zebidee:
--- Quote from: pbj on September 06, 2022, 09:43:17 pm --- --- Quote from: Dawgz Rule on September 06, 2022, 07:46:58 pm ---This is coming from somebody whose organizations sole business is managing research grants for a university system. --- End quote --- So you’re a programmer for Cayuse or a Cayuse knock off? And this gives you expertise on peer reviewed research funding? Cmon, bro. --- End quote --- As Howard and Danny have already pointed out, it is pointless to reason with such people. The climate change denialists have already made up their minds and will refuse to adapt to new inputs, even when provided with mountains of evidence. They have invested too much of themselves, in their blinkered views, to change now. All they can do is double-down, dig a deeper hole. Easier than admitting they were wrong. You see it in the incoherent rambling and presentation of half-thought opinions dressed as facts. This is the downside of the information age. We have so much information and knowledge literally at our hands, but we also have much more access to misinformation (and people have a monetary incentive to create and spread this misinformation). This has led to an explosion of misinformation and conspiracy theories, and also extremism. Look hard enough and you can always find people to support your warped views. As for research funding and grants allocation, that is something I do have a lot of direct experience in, and at high levels as a senior government innovation, research and industry analyst and policy developer/advisor. Let me assure you of one thing: There is no government (or other agency) conspiracy pushing the idea of man-made climate change. Governments are, in fact, the laggards here. Now they are running to catch up. Scientists, action groups, schoolkids and even the private sector have been leading the charge with awareness and response to man-made climate change. As for the "OK BOOMER" comment - I'm making the point that WE are the ones who created the mess that this planet is now in, but we'll be dead before too long, and our kids will be the ones left to pay for/suffer the damage. There might not be much we can do about it, but we can start by accepting responsibility. |
| RandyT:
--- Quote from: danny_galaga on September 06, 2022, 09:10:20 pm ---Yes if the gelogist quoted the same figures that a VULCANologist would quote, then yes it wouldn't matter if he said it, or Jordan Peterson or my barber. But your mentality is blocking you from comprehending what I said. The geologist was touted as an expert, and then he said something about volcanoes which is completely wrong. But the job is done, most people listening would be left with a vague impression of yet another reason all the climate scientists are wrong. Deny, disrupt, divide. --- End quote --- You do realize that scientists on your own side of the argument attribute the past (well before man) catastrophic climate events attributable to CO2 in the atmosphere to volcanic eruptions and oceanic releases of methane, do you not? I'm not saying that they will be the primary cause should another one of those occur, but with so many and ever-growing numbers of "breathers and farters" and the animals which support them, the effects of these events will certainly get us closer to the tipping point more quickly than they did in the past. And honestly, geologists are just as much in the mix as climatologists with regard to this situation. How exactly do you think the climatologists know the CO2 concentrations in the atmosphere during the Mesozoic era? BTW, we used to call "climatologists" weathermen when they were on the news. I always thought the shift to that was similar to how janitors became "sanitation engineers". --- Quote from: Zebidee on September 06, 2022, 09:36:59 pm ---I described this thread's discussion to my teenage/young adult daughters. They asked me to relay a message to all of us. Here is is: "OK BOOMER" --- End quote --- When I program my computer to tell me that, it does the same thing. Funny how that works ;) But your kids benefitted the same way we and all all of ours did. Namely every single thing petroleum provided them. Food, transportation, heat, plastic products, you name it. It's smeared with the stuff (metaphorically speaking, of course.) I notice that you like to label people "climate change denier". You seem to be a "petroleum benefits denier". Without it, people freeze and go hungry. Until there is a suitable replacement for the energy it provides, the future you are wishing upon our children is one none of us would want to experience. To support this world we created (our kids are part of that) we need massive amounts of affordable energy, and particularly as it relates to transportation, efficient and non-destructive ways to store large amounts of it. When that's a reality, no convincing of others will be necessary and it will be a thing of the past. But doing things in the wrong order, as we are now, is a recipe for chaos. Hopefully this isn't being done intentionally to solve that pesky population problem I mentioned earlier, but it will certainly take care of a good part of it. |
| fallacy:
Been watching some of this guys' videos on bikes. He is one of those guys you just want to listen to his rambling closely because it is chalk full of useful information. |
| Zebidee:
@fallacy, thanks for the video link. Am watching/listening while typing :D Cargo bikes look like a really great option. I like that the guy talks a bit about the issues, like need for regulation and battery safety and such. @Randy, I actually understand much of your anger regarding these issues. We are all made to feel like it is our fault. If we didn't burn all those fossil fuels etc etc then we wouldn't be in this situation. Comments like "OK BOOMER" are like rubbing salt into the wounds and deny what we have built for the next generations. I only relayed it to highlight their perspective (I also had a separate conversation with my kids about why they should not really say it to people, IRL). We are made to feel responsible for everything as individuals, yet we have very little power to make change as individuals. What makes me angry is that there are things we could be doing, could have been doing, to radically adjust our economies away from fossil fuels to renewables, but there just isn't the political will to do it, or to do it fast enough. For the future, consider investing in quality companies leveraged to renewables, batteries tech, and/or associated miners (lithium, nickel, copper, tantalum, for example, although these are often the same companies benefiting from fossil fuels so we can't win!). I wouldn't bother investing any money behind e-bikes companies yet, but is an interesting space to watch. |
| Dawgz Rule:
--- Quote from: pbj on September 06, 2022, 09:43:17 pm --- --- Quote from: Dawgz Rule on September 06, 2022, 07:46:58 pm ---This is coming from somebody whose organizations sole business is managing research grants for a university system. --- End quote --- So you’re a programmer for Cayuse or a Cayuse knock off? And this gives you expertise on peer reviewed research funding? Cmon, bro. --- End quote --- No, I work for a Research Foundation for the largest university system in the country. In particular, I am responsible for all of the business systems that manage $1.4 billion in grants. I am very familiar with both the pre-award and post award grants management processes and funding. I deal directly with grants and grants administration all day long. And yes, there are plenty of research grants associated with climate change. Try again. |
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