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| vholfx:
I think I will pass on this cab since it feels it's too much trouble to get things working in a multi-game way. There's a HOD 2 cab I have my eyes on, with much better form factor, but needs A LOT of work (marquee is gone, monitor needs a cap kit, guns need new shells, wiring is a disaster). I like the form factor much more too (not real pictures) HOD1: image HOD2: image |
| Zebra:
HOD 2 uses type 2 guns, not light guns. It's a significantly more complicated and expensive set-up. I am currently struggling to figure out how to hook up the IR LED boards and my HOD4 guns to a PC via an Apac and it's a frustrating endeavor. It's cost me a fortune and I am not even sure if it will be worth it. The one person I know of who has done it already was not too enthusiastic about how well it worked. If the complexity bothers you, I would avoid Sega type 2 cabs. The insane number of wires and the need for custom harnesses, plus high cost of replacement parts makes it something only for a fanatic (like me) with the time to do a lot of research. If you can wait a week, I'll be able to give you a first hand view on how well Sega type 2 guns works on a Windows PC. In my mind, it will need to provide noticeably better accuracy that other less expensive and easier to use options. So far, I have only seen it demonstrated on a game with on-screen crosshairs which don't require accuracy. |
| vholfx:
Sorry if I came across as not liking complexity, I actually thrive on it and the more complicated the setup the more I enjoy it when it works (when it works heh). I just think there is little benefit between using a native PC gun vs adapting a HOD1 gun to use a PC with. As for Type 2 guns, I like the fact that it's compatible with many more games (Jurassic Park, Sega Naomi, etc) given you have the gun boards and all that comes with it. I realizing my focus is not a MAME cab per se, but a cab I can use for more than 1 game even if it is only real hardware. For example, I like my model 3 racing cab because I can play Daytona 3, Scud Race, Sega Rally, etc, on it natively. If I can get that with a gun cab, it's good enough for me, if it works with MAME/PC, it's a plus. I'm certainly intrigued on how your Sega Type 2 guns setup looks like and how it works. I won't be getting the HOD2 cab (if I ever do) any time soon, I have a backlog of projects to work on first. |
| Titchgamer:
If you want more of a plug and play cab you would probably be better looking at something that would take a standard Jamma harness and Happ style guns. Area 51, Max force, Carnevil etc but even then its going to cause you a headache. |
| Zebra:
--- Quote from: vholfx on November 30, 2019, 08:40:32 pm ---Sorry if I came across as not liking complexity, I actually thrive on it and the more complicated the setup the more I enjoy it when it works (when it works heh). I just think there is little benefit between using a native PC gun vs adapting a HOD1 gun to use a PC with. As for Type 2 guns, I like the fact that it's compatible with many more games (Jurassic Park, Sega Naomi, etc) given you have the gun boards and all that comes with it. I realizing my focus is not a MAME cab per se, but a cab I can use for more than 1 game even if it is only real hardware. For example, I like my model 3 racing cab because I can play Daytona 3, Scud Race, Sega Rally, etc, on it natively. If I can get that with a gun cab, it's good enough for me, if it works with MAME/PC, it's a plus. I'm certainly intrigued on how your Sega Type 2 guns setup looks like and how it works. I won't be getting the HOD2 cab (if I ever do) any time soon, I have a backlog of projects to work on first. --- End quote --- Original hardware is a whole different proposition for gun games. Every time I look into it, I manage to put myself off it based on what I learn. It's true that all Sega gun cabs since HOD2 use the type 2 gun sense board and those boards are interchangeable. But, that doesn't mean it's always easy to switch games with one cab. Older games like Confidential mission and Jurassic Park use their basic generic pistols. Hod 3 uses a pump action rifle which uses two buttons instead of just a trigger. Hod 4 used 2 buttons plus an accelerometer. Their newer games use all that plus an additional weapons select lever. And... You have games like Virtua Cop 3 and Too Spicy which use pedals etc. Also, only the gun sense board is universally compatible, what it plugs into differs by generation. The latest games connect via a JVS I/O control board. Older titles use platform specific I/O boards, many of which are expensive and hard to find. Most importantly (at least for me) is that original Sega PCBs are the most expensive on ebay, even for games like HOD 4 which you can play on Teknoparrot. The only type of optical gun tech you can easily use on a broad range of original PCBs is real light guns. They all use the same tech which is why every one can be played with a Happ replacement pistol. You can use a Happ gun for anything from Operation Wolf to Time Crisis 3 and America's army etc. My type 2 project consists of a gun sense board, 10 led boards that go around the monitor bezel, a gun protection board, a set of House of the Dead 4 arcade guns plus two additional gun sensors which I plan to put in my spare Time Crisis arcade recoil guns. I have a 12v dc psu to power it and the X, Y and trigger output will be fed into an Apac to connect it to a PC and a joypad hack to use it on the PS2 and PS3. That's it. I plan to sell it all if it doesn't perform exceptionally well. |
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