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| vholfx:
Hi guys, The same local vendor who is offering the Gunblade cabinet I mentioned in this thread is now offering a House of the Dead 1 Deluxe dedicated cab. So I'll ask similar questions as in that thread, can this gun and sensors be re-used for other model 2 games (real hardware) and/or MAME? How about using the sensors with other platforms like model 3 (assuming I change everything else but the sensor and guns) or PC games? Again, any info or input very welcome |
| vholfx:
Ok I learned that House of the Dead is NOT based on the Sega Type-II IR setup, I thought it was. As far as I know this works only with CRT monitors and has a dedicated board to detect the signal. That means this cabinet could (not sure) work only with Model 2 games (virtua cop 1/2, HOTD1). Sega Type-II IR was actually implemented with Jurassic Park Lost World for the Sega Model 3 hardware. |
| Zebra:
That is correct that HOD 1 uses a light gun, not a type two gun. There are a few different ways to use those light guns with a PC emulator though. - you can wire the sensor board (in the gun) to a Guncon 2 PCB and use Wingun drivers - wire them to an Act Labs gun pcb - Track down one of the PC based arcade light gun game I/O boards, I just bought an America's Army cab to use it's USB2Gun I/O with a Windows PC Also, try finding out how the HOD I/O outputs the light gun signal. Sega Type 2 gun i/O boards output like an analog joystick with X Y coordinates based on 0-5v per axis. It's possible HOD 1 does the same with light gun output. If so, you could wire it to an Apac. If the HOD cab uses a rear projection monitor, I'd want to check if it's still bright. Light guns do not work at all well with dim monitors. The two HOD 1 cabs I know of near me are unplayable. You could only replace the screen with another CRT rear projection monitor (or TV). |
| vholfx:
Interesting, and how would those guns connected to a Guncon or Act Labs pcbs work compared to just using those straight up (with a PC)? The HOD cab I'm looking at is the CRT type (29 inches). If I ever wire a gun to a PC I would use an U-HID because as far as I know it allows you to turn the joystick into a mouse output (I could be mistaken I'm new in most of this and I don't know much about U-HID) |
| Zebra:
It's hard to say. On the Time Crisis arcade guns I wired to guncon 2 PCBs the performance was slightly worse but still usable. On the plus side, the glass lens in the arcade gun let's through more light and my one with an amplified sensor board registers shots more reliably, especially at the edges. The thing to remember is that all light gun sensors are interchangeable. It's only how the I/O deals with it at the back end that differs. If you get spotty shot registering with one, you can try almost any other. I had the best results with Namco amplified sensor boards sold by Happ and Betson etc. They are made to even work on older dim monitors. They are harder to calibrate but fantastic once you do. My other tips are: Use shielded cable. If you have recoil, use separate shielded cable for the solenoid or motor power. Don't make the cable from the gun sensor to the guncon 2 PCB (or Act Labs) too long. The longer it is, the more performance will suffer. Add ground screws if they don't have them already. Also, if the gun shell is big enough, you may be able to transplant the guts of a GC2 or Act labs gun unaltered. In this case, performance would be identical. This is what I did for my Tera burst gun: |
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