Ultimate IR Lightguns with recoil

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Zebra:

--- Quote from: JayBee on October 11, 2019, 02:24:59 pm ---
--- Quote from: Zebra on October 11, 2019, 01:23:03 pm ---Those guns are just too expensive to risk so pointlessly like that imo.

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What do you mean expensive? The base guns I used (guncon and Virtua gun) cost me something like 3$ each, I just added a 10$ solenoid and the rest of my diy hardware inside each of them ;D

Your guns sure look really cool and way more reliable than mine, but again doing an accurate arcade gun was not my goal, I wanted to do the most cost effective gun instead, for occasional gamers like me. A sort of DIY and cheaper alternative to the aimtrak. I never tried to compete with real arcade guns/recoil system ;)

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I was talking about the Aimtrak guns. Their recoil guns sell for around $120. With smart and patient shopping, it's possible to put an Aimtrak module inside a real arcade gun with a proper recoil solenoid for less. And it would be one that will last.

For me, this is about creating an arcade-like experience at home. I never had great experiences when I tried to cheap out on recoil guns (and believe me, I tried). When it comes to light guns It's best to do it right, do it once, or it will never be fun to use.

If it's going to be a diy project anyway, then why limit yourself to using that Aimtrak / guncon 1 style shell? There are plenty of cheap arcade gun shells and airsoft guns on ebay that would look better and also have enough room to fit a quality solenoid.

One of the guys on this forum did a particularly excellent job converting an old airsoft mini Uzi to a mame gun. It's worth looking up the thread if you haven't seen it.

JayBee:

--- Quote from: Zebra on October 11, 2019, 04:34:00 pm ---
--- Quote from: JayBee on October 11, 2019, 02:24:59 pm ---
--- Quote from: Zebra on October 11, 2019, 01:23:03 pm ---Those guns are just too expensive to risk so pointlessly like that imo.

--- End quote ---
What do you mean expensive? The base guns I used (guncon and Virtua gun) cost me something like 3$ each, I just added a 10$ solenoid and the rest of my diy hardware inside each of them ;D

Your guns sure look really cool and way more reliable than mine, but again doing an accurate arcade gun was not my goal, I wanted to do the most cost effective gun instead, for occasional gamers like me. A sort of DIY and cheaper alternative to the aimtrak. I never tried to compete with real arcade guns/recoil system ;)

--- End quote ---

I was talking about the Aimtrak guns. Their recoil guns sell for around $120. With smart and patient shopping, it's possible to put an Aimtrak module inside a real arcade gun with a proper recoil solenoid for less. And it would be one that will last.

For me, this is about creating an arcade-like experience at home. I never had great experiences when I tried to cheap out on recoil guns (and believe me, I tried). When it comes to light guns It's best to do it right, do it once, or it will never be fun to use.

If it's going to be a diy project anyway, then why limit yourself to using that Aimtrak / guncon 1 style shell? There are plenty of cheap arcade gun shells and airsoft guns on ebay that would look better and also have enough room to fit a quality solenoid.

One of the guys on this forum did a particularly excellent job converting an old airsoft mini Uzi to a mame gun. It's worth looking up the thread if you haven't seen it.

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I do understand your point in trying to make a really good gun that will be worth it in the long run.
But I already have a great experience with my current guns, I don't see any point of putting hundreds in a full arcade gun that I won't be using that much, I don't have the money for that. Plus I have a tiny Japanese apartment, I need tiny devices (that aren't too noisy for the neighbors too). So the diy guns fit perfectly.
It's just a matter of taste.
And the reasons why I am not using an airsoft gun are multiple. First, I don't think I can fit the IR camera in those, the cannon isn't big enough. Second, the don't get secondary buttons or anything of that sort I can use, which would be a pain in many games. Third, even cheap they are again way more expensive than my 3$ plastic guns. Fourth, I would need to modify the inside heavily to adapt them, and I don't have the tool for that. If I have to buy the tools and all, I'm better off buying real arcade gun hardware.
Another reason why I want keep this project DIY is that my 4 LEDs system is far better than the Aimtrak (auto calibration, better accuracy), and allow me to program exactly what behavior I want from my gun. And it's very fun to program too :)

Ginsonic:

--- Quote from: JayBee on October 11, 2019, 02:37:16 pm ---Main problem I get now is not even with the Arduino but with mamehooker, which doesn't seem to see any command from any emulator. I saw few other people having the issue with Win10 x64 too, I wonder if it's just some incompatibility.

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Mamehooker is a little diva, but for me it works flawlessly under Windows10 x64, I will check my installation, maybe I can help. Any error message? Try to start with MAME, SET MAME's output system to Windows (important!, please see http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php/topic,151464.0.html) and start e.g. Qbert, since this one has a knocker output.

Howard_Casto:
My current pc is win 10x64, so nope, that's not the problem.

Zebra:

--- Quote from: JayBee on October 11, 2019, 10:43:32 pm ---
--- Quote from: Zebra on October 11, 2019, 04:34:00 pm ---
--- Quote from: JayBee on October 11, 2019, 02:24:59 pm ---
--- Quote from: Zebra on October 11, 2019, 01:23:03 pm ---Those guns are just too expensive to risk so pointlessly like that imo.

--- End quote ---
What do you mean expensive? The base guns I used (guncon and Virtua gun) cost me something like 3$ each, I just added a 10$ solenoid and the rest of my diy hardware inside each of them ;D

Your guns sure look really cool and way more reliable than mine, but again doing an accurate arcade gun was not my goal, I wanted to do the most cost effective gun instead, for occasional gamers like me. A sort of DIY and cheaper alternative to the aimtrak. I never tried to compete with real arcade guns/recoil system ;)

--- End quote ---

I was talking about the Aimtrak guns. Their recoil guns sell for around $120. With smart and patient shopping, it's possible to put an Aimtrak module inside a real arcade gun with a proper recoil solenoid for less. And it would be one that will last.

For me, this is about creating an arcade-like experience at home. I never had great experiences when I tried to cheap out on recoil guns (and believe me, I tried). When it comes to light guns It's best to do it right, do it once, or it will never be fun to use.

If it's going to be a diy project anyway, then why limit yourself to using that Aimtrak / guncon 1 style shell? There are plenty of cheap arcade gun shells and airsoft guns on ebay that would look better and also have enough room to fit a quality solenoid.

One of the guys on this forum did a particularly excellent job converting an old airsoft mini Uzi to a mame gun. It's worth looking up the thread if you haven't seen it.

--- End quote ---
I do understand your point in trying to make a really good gun that will be worth it in the long run.
But I already have a great experience with my current guns, I don't see any point of putting hundreds in a full arcade gun that I won't be using that much, I don't have the money for that. Plus I have a tiny Japanese apartment, I need tiny devices (that aren't too noisy for the neighbors too). So the diy guns fit perfectly.
It's just a matter of taste.
And the reasons why I am not using an airsoft gun are multiple. First, I don't think I can fit the IR camera in those, the cannon isn't big enough. Second, the don't get secondary buttons or anything of that sort I can use, which would be a pain in many games. Third, even cheap they are again way more expensive than my 3$ plastic guns. Fourth, I would need to modify the inside heavily to adapt them, and I don't have the tool for that. If I have to buy the tools and all, I'm better off buying real arcade gun hardware.
Another reason why I want keep this project DIY is that my 4 LEDs system is far better than the Aimtrak (auto calibration, better accuracy), and allow me to program exactly what behavior I want from my gun. And it's very fun to program too :)

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I didn't know you were in Japan. I always imagined that there would be an abundance of low cost arcade peripherals over there as I keep reading about how the arcade industry is still thriving there while it just died on the vine here. I guess not.

Either way, I'd get saving because once you start with arcade recoil guns, it's seemingly impossible to just stop at one. And, the project is at least as much fun as using the finished product. You're going to have to design a kitchen table that converts into a fixed arcade control panel to deal with the space limitations in that Tokyo apartment etc.

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