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| 2huwman:
Come to think of it, I remember aiming down the sights on those Point Blank levels where you've got one bullet to shoot a feather or an alien. So I guess if I've got time to line it up and only one shot then I do use them. I'm going to try to complete HotD and Virtua Cop 2 by just shooting at the middle of the screen...I'm skeptical, but we'll see how far I get. I guess you can get some way in Street Fighter 2 by button mashing, but you're missing the point if that's all you do. |
| Zebra:
Most of the best light gun games (IMO) require accuracy and proper aiming. None require it for every shot though. The baddies closest to you in Time Crisis 3 can be hit easily but if you want to hit all of the parachuting in guys, or the guys in the distance in Virtua Cop 2, you have to aim (if you intend to get good enough to 1cc it). A lot depends on the size of the screen and how far you stand from it too. It's obviously going to be hard to play properly if you stand with your nose pressed to the glass of a tiny 19" screen. It becomes too easy and aiming is pointless. It's not much fun when you cheat. Even in games that don't require precision like machine gun games, I still find it annoying when shots don't land where I aim. It changes the feel of the game for the worse. |
| 2huwman:
--- Quote from: Zebra on March 12, 2020, 06:23:17 pm ---Most of the best light gun games (IMO) require accuracy and proper aiming. None require it for every shot though. The baddies closest to you in Time Crisis 3 can be hit easily but if you want to hit all of the parachuting in guys, or the guys in the distance in Virtua Cop 2, you have to aim (if you intend to get good enough to 1cc it). A lot depends on the size of the screen and how far you stand from it too. It's obviously going to be hard to play properly if you stand with your nose pressed to the glass of a tiny 19" screen. It becomes too easy and aiming is pointless. It's not much fun when you cheat. Even in games that don't require precision like machine gun games, I still find it annoying when shots don't land where I aim. It changes the feel of the game for the worse. --- End quote --- I could not agree more! I love games like the HotD series where if you want to get a big score you need to shoot a lot of background objects, and time your bursts of fire well to beat the bosses (and not just shoot in the middle of the screen!). I think playing HotD 1 using VR and Virtual Desktop is my preferred way to play it now! I can consistently score over 70,000 on it that way, which I struggle to do on the arcade. I think the reason is I can shoot faster with the Oculus Touch controllers than with the real light gun, and i don't have to shoot off screen to reload (which I guess is cheating a bit!). Here's a quick video of HotD1 using VR (the video stutters a bit, but it's actually silky-smooth when playing). I'm using the widescreen hack with the Model 2 Emulator (you can't actually register shots in the extra screen real-estate, but it looks more panoramic). And if you press F7 the emulator disables non polygon stuff, including the very annoying white flashes that the arcade uses to register the light gun (it also removes the HUD, including life counter etc). Another cool thing to try is using ReShade and the SuperDepth3D plugin, as that gives pretty much perfect stereoscopic 3D in VR headsets. You've got to play with the settings, but you can get nice depth to the image. |
| mike5im5:
Just adding my 2 cents to this discussion as I see a lot of scepticism about VR and this genre (sorry for the long rant). I loved light gun games in particular the virtual cop and time crisis series. Wasn't such a fan of HOTD for some reason. I liked the slower tactical approach I guess. I have 2 aimtracks and am relatively happy they some enjoyment from these games if not slightly compromised. I've had an Oculas Quest for 2 weeks now and although I've tried a number of different genre's the shooting ones have given me the most pick up and play appeal. Let me just say to the skeptics.. it's the REAL deal, no question, a massive step up for the gun/shooting genre. Some notes: 1. Expense - I don't think £399 is any way too expensive. I upgrade my phone probably every 3-4 years and find it shocking people regularly upgrade their phones annually for £1000+. For the quality of the hardware and the all-in-one ready to use nature I think it's good value. I'm not saying £399 is cheap by any means but I think if people are spending £200+ on hotos or driving wheels it's not over priced. 2. Aiming Accuracy - I've found it to be more than adequate.. I regularly switch from aiming down sights to switching to shooting from the chest (and using tracers to accurately adjust) both really effective and most importantly fun. 3. Tracking - Now this is the real game changer, the first game I tried was a free side loaded game called Crisis VRigade. It's so ---gosh-darn--- fun. I can't describe what a difference being able to move your head/body makes for an on the rails shooter. Think virtua cop gfx, time crisis cover but updated. so you duck behind a police car for cover, then aim through gaps in the doors/windows to try an snip criminals, or reach your hand out fire off a few cover shots before standing up and blasting everyone with a single clip if you think you're fast/accurate enough. Thoroughly recommended, and I find it hard to go back to those oldies that I loved so much now I've tried this. 4. Immersion - The play in the environment however you want really makes it appeal to whatever style you play. I spend time admiring the weapons in my hands sometimes, moving switches between single burst, safety, playing with the stock. The other game I've been spending time on is Gun Club VR. So much content, loads of different weapons and you use them how you want. Shooting from the hip, using iron sights, upgrading them, dual welding, trying to speed up reload, dropping the clip or wrenching it out to speed up time. Hold the pistol side ways gangsta style if that's your thing. Still works and very satisfying. So for those who haven't tried it. I'd whole heartedly recommend VR. It's not for everybody, but I really feel it works for this genre and I hope devs bring out more great content. |
| SammyWI:
--- Quote from: mike5im5 on March 26, 2020, 08:36:13 am ---... 3. Tracking - Now this is the real game changer, the first game I tried was a free side loaded game called Crisis VRigade. It's so ---gosh-darn--- fun. ... --- End quote --- Thanks for the recommendation on this game. Looks like it's on Steam for $10 on all the major Steam supported VR headsets. And Crisis VRigade 2 is 'coming soon'. |
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