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Malenko:

--- Quote from: Howard_Casto on April 28, 2019, 10:40:25 pm ---I think Lord of the Rings has officially been de-throned as having the best cinematic battles ever filmed.

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I just think the praise is too high considering what we actually saw. The only battle in the show worse than this is the one where Tyrion gets KO'ed at the start and you don't get to see the actual battle.

Howard_Casto:
Not really. The problem with Lord of the Rings battles is that there is never any sense of danger. Legolas and Gimley frikkin quip at each other through each one. In other words, it's a "movie" battle. This one was brutal.... half of the characters did nothing but scream and constantly hack away at zombies barely saving their life each time. Unlike a film, a few of the people in those desperate situations didn't make it. And at the end everyone who did survive were beat up with scratches and cuts and wounds all over them. You felt like they actually went through something. Looking back at LOTR without the glasses of nostalgia the battles were kind of like a video game.

There were certainly a lot of great battles on the show I won't argue that, but with the exception of the battle of the ---daisies--- I don't think any of them had a better payoff and understand, we've been waiting 8 years for this.... the only thing that mattered was the payoff.

wp34:

--- Quote from: Howard_Casto on April 29, 2019, 05:32:49 pm ---Not really. The problem with Lord of the Rings battles is that there is never any sense of danger. Legolas and Gimley frikkin quip at each other through each one. In other words, it's a "movie" battle. This one was brutal.... half of the characters did nothing but scream and constantly hack away at zombies barely saving their life each time. Unlike a film, a few of the people in those desperate situations didn't make it. And at the end everyone who did survive were beat up with scratches and cuts and wounds all over them. You felt like they actually went through something. Looking back at LOTR without the glasses of nostalgia the battles were kind of like a video game.

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This is a great point. The characters looked and acted scared in a way you don't often see in a movie. Almost panicked at times---heck Clegane seemed like a coward due to the fire. Very intense. Too bad they chose to make it so dark and hard to see.

opt2not:

--- Quote from: Howard_Casto on April 29, 2019, 05:32:49 pm --- we've been waiting 8 years for this.... the only thing that mattered was the payoff.

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--- Quote from: wp34 on April 29, 2019, 05:39:21 pm ---Too bad they chose to make it so dark and hard to see.

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Annnnnd this is why it fails. We've waited 8 years of repetition and build-up that Winter is Coming, only to be barely able to see half of what's going on, be confused about what's going on, and be fed an inconsistency in character choices and safe playing of killing off characters that don't really matter.

Also, that's 8 years to wait for a 1 episode battle that sewed it up all neatly. I would have rather have them draw out the battle into at least 2 episodes since it supposed to be the "grand reveal", and kill off some primary characters...but now they have 7 more episodes to recover, deal with King's Landing, King or Queen in the North, alliances, etc...

--- Quote from: Malenko on April 29, 2019, 04:59:05 pm ---
--- Quote from: Howard_Casto on April 28, 2019, 10:40:25 pm ---I think Lord of the Rings has officially been de-throned as having the best cinematic battles ever filmed.

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I just think the praise is too high considering what we actually saw. The only battle in the show worse than this is the one where Tyrion gets KO'ed at the start and you don't get to see the actual battle.

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Yup. "best cinematic battles ever filmed" is indeed a stretch.

pbj:
Yah, I hadn't seen any episodes since the first season and despite all that "they kill everyone" narrative, most of the characters are still around....

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