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Rockstead:

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--- Quote from: Rockstead on March 02, 2021, 02:11:50 pm ---
--- Quote from: Titchgamer on March 02, 2021, 01:48:06 pm ---Ide say that was a very fair review.
I agree with him about the blocky handle and the dpad thing.
I also said the same things when I first got mine, IMO the grey prototype he had was much nicer to hold.

Wouldn't agree with the comment about it being no better than the AT though.
I mean he is right in terms of the latency being the same its a USB mouse at the end of the day so wont be bugger all in it but the difference in accuracy is substantial.

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Don’t worry, you’re still my favourite gun guy on this forum :)

Are you aware if Andy has resolved any of the issues? Namely the quality of the exterior finish, but most importantly on the issue with the trigger and what the reviewer did to resolve it, like is this a factory assembly error? I’m not worried because it can easily be fixed but Andy should get that done at assembly time and I know he’s very open to improving anything, actually he’s too nice based on some of the disgruntled buyers on the indiegogo, I really hope this week goes as well at the factory as he had planned since he had said they will increase the workers by 2 or 3 times, I would plant myself at the factory this week if I were him.

He also talked about the recoil issue when holding the trigger for automatic fire but I think he said it could be addressed through software and then there was all that talk about crt but it didn’t hold my interest.

I asked him to add a table of contents to the video (which he did) I kept having to re-watch it because I can never remember at which point he said what, I was trying to find what you referenced about the AimTrak, I didn’t recall it because in his comment section he does say the Gun4IR is his favourite but that both the Sinden and it can achieve pinpoint accuracy.

I also didn’t realize the Gun4IR was such a worthy alternative, even better according to the reviewer, but I’m far from a DIY person, so I prefer a commercial product but it’s nice to know there will be a worthy competitor and more commercial like options coming for the Gun4IR, it will ensure Andy stays innovative.

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Well ile start with the recoil issue.

Its likely Andy will be able to smoothe it out in future with firmware but what people need to remember about the recoil is its USB powered.
It does not have a external power source so its limited by how fast the cap can chsrge inbetween shots.

Thats why he made it adjustable so if you want full kick you have to slow down the ROF.
If you want fast ROF reduce the kick.

As for the trigger tightness issue that seems to be caused by the moulding process it does not happen to all units and 95% of the ones that do have it loosening the screws off 1/4 turn fixes it.

I dont think adding a little grease in there is a bad idea but looked like he added to much grease IMO.
Grease is a less is more kind of thing.

Sadly those thats not likely something to get fixed any time soon as to have moulds adjusted is costly but obv thats Andys choice.

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So if it doesn’t happen to all units then it seems to be to be an assembly issue, he should be able to fix that through process.

You didn’t really mention the body finish, I know things always look worse in close up pictures and videos, but it looks like an unfinished product in those examples in the video, I know it’s not supposed to be a big deal but still disappointing quality control issue if not by design.

Boojakascha also clarified regarding the post above on LED projectors

“The two terms don't negate each other, but describe different parts. LCD is the light gate matrix. LED is the light source. If you think of other displays: Most LEDs use LCDs. Not all LCD TVs are LED based. Even most OLEDs use a TFT. What term is used in marketing depends on what is en vogue currently. My Hitachi beamer uses light emitting diodes as a source.”

He also clarified on the AimTrak comparison

“The comparision to the Aimtrak is just in regards of latency. As explained in more detail in episode 199, tracking a trapezoid rather than a line is the key to overcome position and orientation related inaccuracy.”

And I like his comparison of the Gun4IR and Sinden

“Both can achieve perfect accuracy. Which one you like better would depend on the willingness to put lights on the TV versus having boarders on the screen =) I like the JB 4PLG (now Gun4IR) better.”

I still think it’s the best review to date and serves as a great reference point if you extract all his additional responses from the comments.
Titchgamer:

--- Quote from: Rockstead on March 03, 2021, 10:08:44 am ---
--- Quote from: Titchgamer on March 03, 2021, 01:19:43 am ---
--- Quote from: Rockstead on March 02, 2021, 02:11:50 pm ---
--- Quote from: Titchgamer on March 02, 2021, 01:48:06 pm ---Ide say that was a very fair review.
I agree with him about the blocky handle and the dpad thing.
I also said the same things when I first got mine, IMO the grey prototype he had was much nicer to hold.

Wouldn't agree with the comment about it being no better than the AT though.
I mean he is right in terms of the latency being the same its a USB mouse at the end of the day so wont be bugger all in it but the difference in accuracy is substantial.

--- End quote ---

Don’t worry, you’re still my favourite gun guy on this forum :)

Are you aware if Andy has resolved any of the issues? Namely the quality of the exterior finish, but most importantly on the issue with the trigger and what the reviewer did to resolve it, like is this a factory assembly error? I’m not worried because it can easily be fixed but Andy should get that done at assembly time and I know he’s very open to improving anything, actually he’s too nice based on some of the disgruntled buyers on the indiegogo, I really hope this week goes as well at the factory as he had planned since he had said they will increase the workers by 2 or 3 times, I would plant myself at the factory this week if I were him.

He also talked about the recoil issue when holding the trigger for automatic fire but I think he said it could be addressed through software and then there was all that talk about crt but it didn’t hold my interest.

I asked him to add a table of contents to the video (which he did) I kept having to re-watch it because I can never remember at which point he said what, I was trying to find what you referenced about the AimTrak, I didn’t recall it because in his comment section he does say the Gun4IR is his favourite but that both the Sinden and it can achieve pinpoint accuracy.

I also didn’t realize the Gun4IR was such a worthy alternative, even better according to the reviewer, but I’m far from a DIY person, so I prefer a commercial product but it’s nice to know there will be a worthy competitor and more commercial like options coming for the Gun4IR, it will ensure Andy stays innovative.

--- End quote ---
Well ile start with the recoil issue.

Its likely Andy will be able to smoothe it out in future with firmware but what people need to remember about the recoil is its USB powered.
It does not have a external power source so its limited by how fast the cap can chsrge inbetween shots.

Thats why he made it adjustable so if you want full kick you have to slow down the ROF.
If you want fast ROF reduce the kick.

As for the trigger tightness issue that seems to be caused by the moulding process it does not happen to all units and 95% of the ones that do have it loosening the screws off 1/4 turn fixes it.

I dont think adding a little grease in there is a bad idea but looked like he added to much grease IMO.
Grease is a less is more kind of thing.

Sadly those thats not likely something to get fixed any time soon as to have moulds adjusted is costly but obv thats Andys choice.

--- End quote ---
So if it doesn’t happen to all units then it seems to be to be an assembly issue, he should be able to fix that through process.

You didn’t really mention the body finish, I know things always look worse in close up pictures and videos, but it looks like an unfinished product in those examples in the video, I know it’s not supposed to be a big deal but still disappointing quality control issue if not by design.

Boojakascha also clarified regarding the post above on LED projectors

“The two terms don't negate each other, but describe different parts. LCD is the light gate matrix. LED is the light source. If you think of other displays: Most LEDs use LCDs. Not all LCD TVs are LED based. Even most OLEDs use a TFT. What term is used in marketing depends on what is en vogue currently. My Hitachi beamer uses light emitting diodes as a source.”

He also clarified on the AimTrak comparison

“The comparision to the Aimtrak is just in regards of latency. As explained in more detail in episode 199, tracking a trapezoid rather than a line is the key to overcome position and orientation related inaccuracy.”

And I like his comparison of the Gun4IR and Sinden

“Both can achieve perfect accuracy. Which one you like better would depend on the willingness to put lights on the TV versus having boarders on the screen =) I like the JB 4PLG (now Gun4IR) better.”

I still think it’s the best review to date and serves as a great reference point if you extract all his additional responses from the comments.

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Well yeah if you add in those comments then yes really cant argue with him heh.

As for the finish the issue with it on videos/cameras is its not a matt finish but more of a sort of satin.
Despite how it looks is not rough or badly finished at all.
It just does not photograph well LOL

If you look at the reds or blues they look much nicer on pictures but the black has a almost mirrored finish.
Andy said he was going for a more gun blue effect with the black which I think he achieved in terms of the way it looks but it just does not look quite right on a plastic gun IMO.
A matt finish would of been nicer.

But yeah dont be put off by the pics/videos its much nicer when its actually in your hand.
Titchgamer:
RMC posted a follow up video to his original, You may remember I posted it ages ago after he got to try the same prototype I did.

clhug:

--- Quote from: Rockstead on March 03, 2021, 10:08:44 am ---Boojakascha also clarified regarding the post above on LED projectors

“The two terms don't negate each other, but describe different parts. LCD is the light gate matrix. LED is the light source. If you think of other displays: Most LEDs use LCDs. Not all LCD TVs are LED based. Even most OLEDs use a TFT. What term is used in marketing depends on what is en vogue currently. My Hitachi beamer uses light emitting diodes as a source.”

...

I still think it’s the best review to date and serves as a great reference point if you extract all his additional responses from the comments.

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I replied again in the video comments to his reply about LED projectors...


--- Quote ---Agreed from a technical standpoint.  But in marketing terms specifically for projectors, "LED" is used to market the very cheap LED light source projectors, search Amazon for "led projector" and see what you get, and THOSE types of projectors are what the Sinden wiki is referring to as not recommended.

My point is that in the context of the video, if someone who is not familiar with the difference watches it, the implication is that "LED" projectors work just fine, when that can not actually be said based on your experience.  You weren't testing an "LED" projector.

It's like saying, "Volkswagen does not recommend taking the Beetle off road.  But I had no problems at all.  My Land Rover worked perfectly well off road."  Sure, WE know those are two entirely different vehicles that don't even compare, but someone who isn't familiar with those vehicles might assume you're implying that the Beetle runs just fine off road.
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That said, yes, I do agree it's the best and most detailed review so far.
Trnzaddict:
Sinden really needs to get on top of speeding up the manufacturing process. A 90 day wait time is really a bit extreme. I was going to pull the trigger on these months ago but I didn’t like the idea of such a long wait time.

I just checked now and his estimated delivery for a purchase today is June. Still? This guy could be making a boatload more money if he invested in some manufacturing help.

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