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Ian:

--- Quote from: fallacy on December 01, 2018, 11:48:33 pm ---I don't think T1 is very good, it is like the Atari or original Star Trek, thanks for creating some of the characters and concepts but it is dated and I don't want to go back to it. T2 is kind of a masterpiece and why we are still talking about it today.

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I like the original Halloween movie and the original Nightmare on Elm Street because those movies have soul. Dated? Yep. The sequels had better effects and bigger budgets but the originals are still better. Same thing with Terminator.

opt2not:
I feel the same way about Terminator as I do with the Alien series. T1 was more suspenseful, thriller, than T2. Just like Alien and Aliens. T2 had more action, one-liners, and pretty straightforward in story telling, just like Aliens had compared to Alien.

Both series had ---smurfy--- third entries, and with either series I only care about the first two movies. The rest are irrelevant.

Zebidee:
So many people talking about how good Terminator II and Aliens were. Many of you have probably worked that both starred Michael Beihn, but how many of you know that they were both directed by James Cameron?

Truth is: Terminator II is a great movie. Terminator I was good too, but in many ways it is just laying the groundwork for Terminator II.

You can't compare T-I & II, except to say that both are classics. T-I was done as a blue-sky idea in 1984. Nobody was sure if it would be a success. Budget was much less and SPFX tech was much more primitive. Arnie was relatively unknown (although he had already stood out for Conan in 1982), and T-I is the movie which cemented him as a star. Terminator II was a great movie with many unique things to boast about, but it was built on the foundations of T-I.

T-I was primitive in many ways, but that was the affordable state-of-the-art in 1984. Sure the rubber-mask shots were cringeworthy, but you have to value it in the context of the time when it was produced. Computer spfx advanced heaps between then and 1991. And T-II had a much bigger budget available. It was James Cameron and some great actors, of course it was going to be better because that is how Cameron does things.

Drnick:

--- Quote from: opt2not on December 02, 2018, 12:05:08 am ---I feel the same way about Terminator as I do with the Alien series. T1 was more suspenseful, thriller, than T2. Just like Alien and Aliens. T2 had more action, one-liners, and pretty straightforward in story telling, just like Aliens had compared to Alien.

Both series had ---smurfy--- third entries, and with either series I only care about the first two movies. The rest are irrelevant.

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Except Highlander movies, There, "There can be only one" Coz those other movies were just utter :censored:

Howard_Casto:
It's not just the rubber Arnie head scenes guys. Nearly every visual in T1 is extremely dated, especially the clothes the actors are wearing and Linda's state fair hair. In films, visuals absolutely do count because, the only thing you are doing is watching it... in games it doesn't matter because you are playing them. I thought that would be extremely obvious to everyone. Also understand that it's less of a dated vfx thing, and more of a bad vfx thing. There are makeup effects from the 30's and 40's that still hold up, because they were done well. These weren't.

It's not just the visuals either, it's the plot that is a bit dated as well. The first film is actually framed and paced more like a slasher film than scifi...a bad slasher film. There's far more suspense and a sense of danger in T2. The entire movie is a chase scene because the villain is literally unstoppable. If they hadn't stumbled upon that steel mill they would have been dead meat.

I have respect for the first film for creating the franchise, but that's about it. It's kind of like Evil Dead... that's a good flick but why the hell would you bother to watch it instead of just skipping to Evil Dead 2?

Also for the record, don't lump Alien in with T1. Alien is a great film and it holds up well, mostly because they had more than 14 dollars to do the vfx.

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