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| Ian:
--- Quote from: Malenko on December 26, 2017, 10:30:36 pm ---so I'm the only one who was irritated the First order had the last of the resistance pinned, literally down to a few escape pods and they never called in more ships? This is compounded by the fact the last part of the "chase" supposedly took place over like 18 hours so there was ample time for more ships to show up. I didn't hate this movie, but I liked Rogue One and Force Awakens much more. --- End quote --- I guess (after a bit of digging) that was NOT the last of the Resistance. I guess they were spread out, because there where quite a bit of fighter pilots from TFA that never showed up in TLJ. Add the fact that the First Order isn't as big as I thought they were.... I mean it makes sense, they are not the empire, they are only a fraction of the size. But I will say this.... That Star Destroyer thing that was chasing the capital ship of the rebels did have Ion Canons. Same Ion cannons that they used on Hoth to disable the Star Destroyer so the rebel transports can get away... The same Ion cannons that the Y-wings used in Rogue One to disable a Star Destroyer so that the battering ram ship could make the two Star Destroyers crash into each other. So why not shoot this rebel cruiser with the Ion cannon and be done with it? Sounds way more easy and efficient than chasing this ship. |
| Vigo:
--- Quote from: harveybirdman on December 27, 2017, 07:23:51 pm ---Perfect point about ESB and the pursuit of the millennium falcon. There is zero excuse for a plot point as bad as this to be in a modern star wars movie. I understand your point about internet fan boys Vigo, but i just can't get excited of Disney's trilogy. I have hope for the Solo and Kenobi films I think stand alone films within the restrictions of the established universe work better for producing a film that I can enjoy. Even with it's problems Rogue one has been the only Disney offering I've enjoyed. --- End quote --- Bro, I know you have a picky taste, so I ain't faulting you. Just surprised that by reading this thread, the general vibe is that this movie is garbage. You would think that this is an episode 1 grade bomb. Script issues and out of place scenes is an entirely different issue from poor acting and terrible plot. --- Quote from: knave on December 27, 2017, 05:23:52 pm --- --- Quote from: Vigo on December 27, 2017, 03:01:36 pm ---If there was one thing that stuck out as a poor spot of the film, this weird, extremely long chase is it. --- End quote --- ...That and flying space Leia...took me right out of the movie. --- End quote --- Haha, yeah. You know they were just trolling us on Leia's death that whole movie. That scene would have been edited to 3 seconds if not for the death of Carrie Fisher. |
| Ian:
--- Quote from: Vigo on December 27, 2017, 02:55:42 pm ---I honestly think that the internet is ruining movies. I can't imagine that many here would feel so great about the plot of the original trilogy if the movies came out today. Let's just take the most beloved, Empire. Empire makes zero sense why Vader's brilliant play is to create a convoluted plan to assume Luke would become a powerful enough Jedi to sense his friends in danger, and use that assumption to lure Luke across the galaxy to get him to walk over a trap door. A trap door that a jedi of any decency can hop out of. The Millenium Falcon, the ship Vader is so desperate to obtain, is left intentionally unguarded, so to let the leader of the rebellion, Leia, can run away in it. Don't worry, good ol' Darth has has a brilliant plan too. He turned off the warp drive, it's cool. It only needed to be switched back on, but those Rebels will never figure that one out. Leia is a top leader of the rebellion so letting her almost escape seems like the smartest route to go. And hey, you tested that carbonite machine once, why even bother using it to imprison Leia, that will take an extra 5 minutes. And speaking of carbonite, what does Vader do with Han? He gives him away to some outskirts bounty hunter and leaves him unchecked, Vader, the guy who chokes people to death because they irritate him, has no grudge against the dude who knocked him out of the sky and let Luke fly in to destroy the death star? Naw, just let him go. And heck, after Luke, Chewie and Leia escape Vader's clutches, there is no worry they will go back and rescue him, right? I mean, the rebellion threatens the galactic empire, but pulling him out of a remote desert palace seems like just too risky of an effort. ::) I get that The Last Jedi didn't exhibit full character continuity or show smart and savvy space battle tactics. That irritated me as well, but at some point you gotta admit that these movies are being held to a pretty unfair standard. I let my guard down on these movies intentionally and this movie is entertaining and gave me a good feeling that I am not gonna curmudgeonly destroy for myself. There is a lot of Star Wars magic and lore to be had from this movie, and I was genuinely positively surprised at many of the turns the movie took. --- End quote --- Not to mention Empire Strikes back had a LOT of critics back in the day. But now everyone thinks it's the best movie. I agree the internet does ruin movies though. |
| Ian:
--- Quote from: knave on December 27, 2017, 05:23:52 pm --- --- Quote from: Vigo on December 27, 2017, 03:01:36 pm ---If there was one thing that stuck out as a poor spot of the film, this weird, extremely long chase is it. --- End quote --- ...That and flying space Leia...took me right out of the movie. --- End quote --- I agree... that was cringe worthy. |
| Ian:
--- Quote from: harveybirdman on December 27, 2017, 07:23:51 pm ---Perfect point about ESB and the pursuit of the millennium falcon. There is zero excuse for a plot point as bad as this to be in a modern star wars movie. I understand your point about internet fan boys Vigo, but i just can't get excited of Disney's trilogy. I have hope for the Solo and Kenobi films I think stand alone films within the restrictions of the established universe work better for producing a film that I can enjoy. Even with it's problems Rogue one has been the only Disney offering I've enjoyed. --- End quote --- Ha ha ha.... That is funny Harvey.... only because I am really dreading the Han Solo movie. We are just destined to be on the opposite ends of the spectrum. No worries though, it's nothing personal! I am afraid that they are going to just show us too much about Hans back story, instead of really pushing the universe. I really don't want to see how he meets chewy, or gets the Falcon. Just like I didn't want to see Vader as a kid racing with pod racers and yelling yippee! And I don't want a back story for Boba Fett, nor do I want a back story for Yoda. These characters are great because they are a bit of a mystery. The only way Boba Fett movie would work for me, if he was on a mission hunting a dangerous character in the underbelly of the Star Wars universe. I think that would be cool. The Obiwan movie does have me a bit curious though. As far as Solo is concerned I think the only guy who could play Han Solo is Harrison Ford. Harrison just has a natural charisma about him. He isn't a great actor, but he has so much charisma that any movie he makes, he stands out. He is one of my favorite actors, I doubt they will find someone with half the amount of badassery. |
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