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dkersten:

--- Quote ---I don't think it's too much to ask to make a really great Star Wars movie this decade. I just don't see it happening.
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I suppose it depends on your definition of a really great Star Wars movie. One of the biggest elements that made 1977 Star Wars great was the special effects. It defined a whole generation of films and started the most impactful special effects company of the century. Judging on special effects and cinematics, we might already have a great Star Wars movie this decade. Or perhaps you want to look at gross revenues. There isn't a studio in the world who would turn down the success of the last two movies.

It's all relative, really. Will a Star Wars movie ever win a major critical award? No, it hasn't defined a generation of movies since the original trilogy. Star Wars was never targeting the adult audience either, from the original to the latest to the special shows aired on TV over the years. It targets a younger audience and always has, whether we like it or not. In today's world, if you want high fantasy to tread new ground, it has to be gritty, shameless, hold nothing back, and be as adult as possible. Neither Lucasfilm nor Disney has ever been known for pushing the boundaries of morality in film.

That being said, who here wouldn't want to see a pre-quel with the hero being a roguish smuggler type who isn't terribly bright but makes up for it with balls the size of the Millennium Falcon, enjoys carousing with the ladies at any hive of villainy and corruption, will do just about anything for money, and always shoots first, yet ends up going up against Vader, who is taking personal glee in systematically massacring any and all scumbag aliens, criminals, and force sensitive children leaving nothing but carnage and sorrow in his wake? Of course for it to be "great", it would have to be bordering on unrated because of language, violence, and sex, and in the end, Vader would win, violently beheading the would be hero at precisely the point where you thought he was about to save the day. I would buy tickets to see it, particularly if they added in some snarky humor and enough bad-assery to satisfy any man's desire for virtual testosterone.

Ian:

--- Quote from: harveybirdman on March 22, 2017, 09:31:42 am ---I see ya'lls point and I tend to agree when it comes to ROTJ. Many fanboys hate Jedi for the Ewoks, Death Star Retread, etc. However for many years it was easily my favorite. I loved the Tolkienesque crescendo to the climax where we get the duel, the space conflict, and the ground battle all intertwined.

Not to mention the imagery from the pre special edition Tatooine will always be iconic to me. And like you I still scoff to this day when people call it out for being bad.

But if I may return my panties to a wad, I don't think it's too much to ask to make a really great Star Wars movie this decade. I just don't see it happening.

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I like moments of ROTJ.... the last 30 minutes is amazing! The score alone is one of my favorites.

I think the problem with all of the new Star Wars movies is this.... Star Wars although tells us the story of a very large Galaxy... it is shown in an incredibly small way. And what I mean by that is the original Trilogy really only truly centered on a small group of people where half of them turned out to be related. If you stray to far from those movies today it doesn't seem like Star Wars (kind of like the prequels), but if you stay too close it's a duplicate (the Force Awakens). They have to walk a very fine line for audiences and I think Rogue One was one of the only Star Wars movies that dared to be something different. And i appreciate that. The next spin off is young Han solo and I think that is again playing it too close to the OT and no.... I don't care how Solo met Lando, and no I don't want to see how he got the Falcon. grrrrr :banghead:

Ian:

--- Quote from: dkersten on March 22, 2017, 10:36:44 am ---
--- Quote ---I don't think it's too much to ask to make a really great Star Wars movie this decade. I just don't see it happening.
--- End quote ---
I suppose it depends on your definition of a really great Star Wars movie. One of the biggest elements that made 1977 Star Wars great was the special effects. It defined a whole generation of films and started the most impactful special effects company of the century. Judging on special effects and cinematics, we might already have a great Star Wars movie this decade. Or perhaps you want to look at gross revenues. There isn't a studio in the world who would turn down the success of the last two movies.

It's all relative, really. Will a Star Wars movie ever win a major critical award? No, it hasn't defined a generation of movies since the original trilogy. Star Wars was never targeting the adult audience either, from the original to the latest to the special shows aired on TV over the years. It targets a younger audience and always has, whether we like it or not. In today's world, if you want high fantasy to tread new ground, it has to be gritty, shameless, hold nothing back, and be as adult as possible. Neither Lucasfilm nor Disney has ever been known for pushing the boundaries of morality in film.

That being said, who here wouldn't want to see a pre-quel with the hero being a roguish smuggler type who isn't terribly bright but makes up for it with balls the size of the Millennium Falcon, enjoys carousing with the ladies at any hive of villainy and corruption, will do just about anything for money, and always shoots first, yet ends up going up against Vader, who is taking personal glee in systematically massacring any and all scumbag aliens, criminals, and force sensitive children leaving nothing but carnage and sorrow in his wake? Of course for it to be "great", it would have to be bordering on unrated because of language, violence, and sex, and in the end, Vader would win, violently beheading the would be hero at precisely the point where you thought he was about to save the day. I would buy tickets to see it, particularly if they added in some snarky humor and enough bad-assery to satisfy any man's desire for virtual testosterone.

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yeah... you will never see that kind of movie made. Disney has to sell this to all ages. That's why these movies (and the Marvel movies) are cookie cutter/designed by a committee/paint by numbers type of movies. They could release the worst star wars movie every but it will still make a Billion dollars. It's just not going to happen I agree.

pbj:
This was pretty neat... ending of Rogue One spliced to the beginning of A New Hope..

yotsuya:
I've said it before, but I didn't know I was supposed to hate the Ewoks until I read on the internet that I was supposed to. I was ten years old when I first saw them, I was their target audience.

And I'm sorry, I've watched that scene of Darth Vader wreaking havok at the end of Rogue One at least three times in the last 12 hours. I love it. It's badass. Forget a Han Solo origin movie, I want to see a movie where Vader proves himself to the Emperor while snuffing out remaining Jedi.

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