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Dominux8 and Leaf Pro joysticks
Mr. Peabody:
Someone isn't comprehending what I wrote. And got a little defensive as well. I prefer the shortest travel possible, actuation and stop at about the same point, and I think a restrictor can handle that. The 8-way gate restrictor doesn't. The round might. I'll probably buy it to see.
Of course grommets are different than springs. One tends to be a little gummy, the other not. Whether one prefers either is something else.
Of note is the apparent defect in the Leaf Pro I have was ignored.
RandyT:
--- Quote from: Mr. Peabody on July 06, 2016, 01:21:47 am ---Someone isn't comprehending what I wrote. And got a little defensive as well. I prefer the shortest travel possible, actuation and stop at about the same point, and I think a restrictor can handle that. The 8-way gate restrictor doesn't. The round might. I'll probably buy it to see.
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The thing that is of concern is that you are looking for a long shafted joystick for bottom mounting in 3/4" material, but also want a very short throw. One negates the other. If you want the shortest throw possible, you need to use the Dominux in the short configuration, modify the panel, and adjust the switches accordingly. I didn't elaborate in the last post, the other effects the shorter configuration will have. These are a firmer feel (i.e. less leverage on the shaft), and a quicker return to center, due to the mass of the shaft and balltop being closer to the fulcrum.
The 8-way gate cannot be any smaller, else it would no longer be a gated 8-way, rather a circle, which is why there is also the option of the "Short-Throw Circular" restrictor. This may not have been available when you ordered back in January.
BTW, a joystick which actuates it's switches and stops at about the same point, would be in the opinion of most, a rather un-enjoyable joystick to use. But if that is what you are after, you can achieve this with the Dominux, if properly set up, using the short-throw restrictor.
--- Quote ---Of note is the apparent defect in the Leaf Pro I have was ignored.
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The Leaf-Pro is an entry-level leaf joystick, where the high-quality switches account for roughly half of the price, and is not nearly in the class of the Dominux. You indicated that a bump "developed", but without examining the stick, I can't say why, or what it is. Were I to guess, based on your description and that the unit appears to have been shipped about 5 months ago, something might need a bit of lube. But they won't be as smooth as gimbal+spring based sticks, which also wear and require periodic cleaning/maintenance. The Dominux's rubber grommet centering is vastly superior to either type in this regard.
Mr. Peabody:
I understand about shaft length and all that. I think I bought the gated 8 to try it out first. It boggles me why anyone would want actuation and then any measurable distance of throw after that......you'd crash a plane if the controls were like that.
The chinese knock-offs have a grommet - albeit a much harder one, so there's some natural restriction/resistance that discourages one from going farther after actuation. These sticks are the fastest playing of anything I've tried. I adjusted the switches on them, as well as the Leaf Pro, and the knock-offs are just 'actuate yesterday' quick, but rarely 'mis-fire'. I haven't adjusted the Dom8 switches because they seem correct for the stick; the shaft just needs to stop right then. I'm not doing any panel modding, though.
RandyT:
--- Quote from: Mr. Peabody on July 12, 2016, 06:44:53 pm ---I understand about shaft length and all that. I think I bought the gated 8 to try it out first. It boggles me why anyone would want actuation and then any measurable distance of throw after that......you'd crash a plane if the controls were like that.
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Putting aside the fact that plane controls are analog, not having a reasonable amount of over travel will result in extremely narrow diagonal actuation zones with round restriction and actuators. Other than that, it's a comfort thing. A player can reliably actuate the switches, without banging into the restrictor on every move. Most sticks will be tuned by default to have the point of switch actuation roughly centered between the neutral point and the point of contact with the restrictor.
--- Quote ---I'm not doing any panel modding, though.
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Then I'm afraid you won't get the most you can out of the sticks. If the throw and feel you want is something which is only going to come about by using the shorter configuration, but you don't wish to do what is necessary to be able to use them in that configuration, then I'm not sure what I can do to help.
I'm starting to get the impression that your expectations are tainted a bit by previous use of sticks like the Suzo 500. Some folks loved them, and others detested them. A long shaft, strong centering spring and truncated throw made them good for shmups, but mediocre for most everything else. They were a very niche design, which lead to the factory retiring the product. The Dominux weren't designed to be like this, as it's really a very small portion of players who preferred those properties. However, you can get pretty close, if you eventually decide to take the appropriate steps in getting there.
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For those who might wish to hear a different take on the Dominux8 Sticks, here is the most recent unsolicited review posted to our site.
Mr. Peabody:
(look sheepish) Yeah, the plane controls comment was a little daft. 'Bang' into the restrictor means you don't want one and shouldn't have one. For me it's integral to gameplay. It stops so I don't have to try to. With round restriction there is that limitation you described. I played Robotron with some Suzos, and got over a million. I love leafs, but I may switch to Suzo because they seem to have the most of everything I want.
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