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| leapinlew:
--- Quote from: Ian on December 27, 2015, 11:46:08 am --- --- Quote from: harveybirdman on December 26, 2015, 09:45:30 pm ---The first twenty minutes is great after that it starts blowing. I can't believe how many of you guys are hypnotized by nostalgia and visuals because short of that there isn't much substance. --- End quote --- I am not an idiot... I don't get hypnotized by nostalgia or visuals... if that was a case I would love the prequels and even ROTJ, but I like The Force Awakens better than those 4 movies. Why can't I? I am not here telling you; you are being hyper critical of space saga movie. No you are entitled to your opinion. Let us have ours. :soapbox: --- End quote --- Totally agree with you Ian. It was a dick thing to say. Basically you either agree with him and the film was an abyssal failure your blind. I don't think he meant to sound like that much of a jerk. I think he is trying to reason why he doesn't like the movie as much as everyone else. Blaming everyone else, that's easier than realizing you might be overly critical. Star wars isn't this complex theatrical production. It's a space adventure. He sees gaping wide plot holes, and most others are waiting for more backstory. He sees underdeveloped characters and while I don't totally disagree, I see more films coming and realize that character development often ends up on the cutting room floor. |
| Ian:
--- Quote from: leapinlew on December 27, 2015, 11:56:25 am --- --- Quote from: Ian on December 27, 2015, 11:46:08 am --- --- Quote from: harveybirdman on December 26, 2015, 09:45:30 pm ---The first twenty minutes is great after that it starts blowing. I can't believe how many of you guys are hypnotized by nostalgia and visuals because short of that there isn't much substance. --- End quote --- I am not an idiot... I don't get hypnotized by nostalgia or visuals... if that was a case I would love the prequels and even ROTJ, but I like The Force Awakens better than those 4 movies. Why can't I? I am not here telling you; you are being hyper critical of space saga movie. No you are entitled to your opinion. Let us have ours. :soapbox: --- End quote --- Totally agree with you Ian. It was a dick thing to say. Basically you either agree with him and the film was an abyssal failure your blind. I don't think he meant to sound like that much of a jerk. I think he is trying to reason why he doesn't like the movie as much as everyone else. Blaming everyone else, that's easier than realizing you might be overly critical. Star wars isn't this complex theatrical production. It's a space adventure. He sees gaping wide plot holes, and most others are waiting for more backstory. He sees underdeveloped characters and while I don't totally disagree, I see more films coming and realize that character development often ends up on the cutting room floor. --- End quote --- I know... I like harveybirdman hes an arcade stud (and a good dude it's nothing personal)... Just trying to keep it 100. But I agree.. it really needed to be 3 hours long to get all of those wonderful nuggets of character development to really take shape. But it got me extremely pumped to see Episode 8. As far as everyone who has looked at the script, Rian has done an amazing job with the story. But I still stand by the fact this is a top three Star Wars movie. And that isn't a bad thing at all and I am not Hypnotized at least I don't think so because George Lucas told me so years ago ;) |
| harveybirdman:
ROTJ is light years better the TFA. But I didn't intend to be a jerk, It must be just as irratting to you to hear someone be critical of TFA as it is to me for people to fail to see its massive flaws. We can leave it at that. As I've said it's better than the prequels and it's not so far gone that they can't write their way back into my heart. However I'm a bit skeptical at this point that we're never going to get any deeper than the megablockbuster blueprint. |
| wp34:
--- Quote from: leapinlew on December 27, 2015, 11:56:25 am ---He sees gaping wide plot holes, and most others are waiting for more backstory. He sees underdeveloped characters and while I don't totally disagree, I see more films coming and realize that character development often ends up on the cutting room floor. --- End quote --- Well put Lew. --- Quote from: harveybirdman on December 27, 2015, 01:04:26 pm ---ROTJ is light years better the TFA. --- End quote --- Too early to tell. Jedi is the weakest of the originals and on some days I prefer EP3 over it. Having said that I have a fresh appreciation for how tight the 3rd act of Jedi was. The editing is brilliant between the battle in space, Endor and between Vader and Luke. They tried to do something similar at the end of E7 and it didn't work as well. |
| leapinlew:
--- Quote from: harveybirdman on December 27, 2015, 01:04:26 pm ---However I'm a bit skeptical at this point that we're never going to get any deeper --- End quote --- It's a space soap opera you saw when you were most likely under 12 years old. How deep is it really? I remember wanting Episode I, II and III to be more ... I don't know, violent or dark I guess. If you look at star wars as a family franchise to be shared experience from parent to child, it really helps put expectations in check. |
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