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| Ian:
--- Quote from: CheffoJeffo on December 21, 2015, 08:29:09 am --- --- Quote from: harveybirdman on December 20, 2015, 05:05:10 pm ---Again the problem for me is the writing. I have a feeling this thing was edited to ---steaming pile of meadow muffin--- and important stuff was lost to post production. --- End quote --- This, although I have trouble throwing writing (say what you want about JJ: Kasdan was there too) under the bus for editing. My guess would be that there is a lot of backstory that they couldn't disclose in an efficient manner and folks like us notice the gaps amidst the action. There were quite a few elements that look to be MacGuffins on the screen that I bet were well-plotted on the page. I do think that perhaps they had trouble deciding how to approach Rey as the next Anakin and honestly fumbled the ball because we all hated Anakin in the prequels, so they avoided dealing with it. The whole thing felt like it moved too fast and would have been better handled with an additional hour or two of running time. The worlds felt lived-in (a big issue for me with the prequels vs originals) and I cared about the characters. I think the casting for Rey and Finn was spot on. Can take or leave Poe (thought he should have been left dead). Fassbender would have been the better choice for Kylo Ren, but Driver did well. All in all, I enjoyed it and is definitely better than 4 of the previous films. That is no small feat with the most dedicated fandom in history waiting for you to ---fudgesicle--- up. Anybody who undertakes the task of contributing to that universe has serious intenstinal fortitude and gets a :applaud: from me. --- End quote --- This! :applaud: |
| Ian:
--- Quote from: harveybirdman on December 21, 2015, 05:08:56 pm ---People like me are definitely in the minority... There's whole lots of STAR WARS YEAH AWESOME LOVE IT YEAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!! --- End quote --- You have to understand the Original Trilogy even had pretty terrible writing. With the exception of Empire. So really 1 movie in the first 6 was great. The others all had a lot of things wrong with the story, characters, etc. This one is closer to Empire than any of the others. I wouldn't say it was perfect. But damn it was good in Star Wars terms. |
| dkersten:
After a second showing in a brand new Imax theater with a very powerful sound system, I have to say my opinion of the movie is greatly improved. I picked up on details I missed the first time that actually filled in the story a little more, and was able to take a closer look at things that bothered me before. It still isn't perfect, but easily the third best Star Wars movie ever made. Overall I would give it an 8 now, where before it was a marginal 6. Having seen it once already I wasn't so busy taking in the ambiance of the movie and was able to focus more on the acting and the story itself. It felt way more cohesive the second time around and didn't feel like they were trying too hard. Really it just suffered from poor editing. The important story stuff was downplayed or overshadowed by other things going on and they didn't play out all the elements so much as just say them in the background in some cases. My biggest gripe is the final scene. It should NOT have happened at all. It had no bearing on this movie and made everything that happened feel trivial. Luke is missing for decades and the galaxy is going to ---steaming pile of meadow muffin--- without him around. The resistance is dividing its time between finding Luke and fighting off the Order and people are dying to find the slightest clue as to his whereabouts, yet the first real clue they get leads him right to the exact hill he is standing on, when in fact he was supposed to be searching for something and would never have known exactly where he would be... WTF. Here is how it should have ended: First off, when Han dies and Leia feels it, there should have also been a glimpse of a man in robes sitting in a ruined temple (with the mechanical hand so we know it was Luke) who stiffens as if feeling the lightsaber going through his own body, then slumps down as if knowing his failure cost the life of his old friend. At that moment, R2 should come out of his low power mode and start whistling to 3PO, who can't get anyone to pay attention because of the ensuing battle. After the battle settles and people are back and trying to put the pieces back together, 3PO and R2 both finally get the attention of Leia and bring up the map of the galaxy, and instead of a big section that mysteriously nobody recognizes, have the fragment overlay on the known map to show the location of the system Luke was heading to when he first left (which would explain why nobody could recognize the map fragment they had). When Rey returns, she approaches Leia and comforts her, maybe saying a few words about Han's last effort to save their son. Once she says goodbye to Fin, the final scene should be her telling Leia she will send word when she picks up Luke's trail. Then she reassures Leia that she WILL find Luke. Rey and Chewie fly off in the Falcon and enter hyperspace. The end. It would be reminiscent of the end scene in Empire where Luke was going after Han, and they could open the next movie with Rey, looking like she had spent months searching, finally coming upon the ruins of the temple and finds Luke. It would make it seem like he was actually hard to find and it took both the efforts of the last decade in finding the pieces of the map along with a person strong in the Force searching the right system to find him. |
| harveybirdman:
I am also anxious for a second viewing to hopefully have a similar experience. |
| CheffoJeffo:
An interesting aside. Writer and publishing friends -- whom I might expect to zoom in on the issues -- all loved it unreservedly. |
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