Can we complain about mods, or maybe get one replaced?

[HaRuMaN]

And meh.  It's a customer request.  He sends me a pic, says he wants 4 controllers, make em look like this:

[Malenko]

I take a 9 day break and come back to this? (PS, you guys probably didn't even notice )

My one thought is that the perception of having a moderator in the Retail Vendors forum who is also a Retail Vendor (and as such, has skin in the game) is that this exact point can be made quite easily.

I wont try as to not offend, because offended people will always find a way to be offended. This is now at least the 3rd time you've tried to make such a passive/aggressive accusation.
Here: http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php/topic,141081.msg1461253.html#msg1461253 (Man, I even defense Scottard in this one!)
and here : http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php/topic,133905.msg1388865.html#msg1388865

A few things you fail to acknowledge, like the fact Haruman is the one who pinned your vendor sticky in the first place, and more importantly the fact you don't actually sell anything. He also pinned ebarlow's BST thread prior to Eric quitting BYOAC. You two are the only other bartop vendors Im aware of he didnt let the fact he sells bartops stop him from doing his moderating duties.

All that being said, your perception may not be indicative of the public's feelings, and the vast majority of blanket statements are false.

[pbj]

I ain't really all that butthurt about it and I look forward to the thread poisoning rule being enforced.

 

[Malenko]

I ain't really all that butthurt about it and I look forward to the thread poisoning rule being enforced.

 

it wont, or you'd be banned, I'd be warned by saint, and X2's account would be nuked from space.

The tough part about things like fight sticks, is there's only so much you can do and in the end its bound to resemble something else already out there. I meant its just a glorified 6 sided wooden rectangle. 

[yotsuya]

I take a 9 day break and come back to this? (PS, you guys probably didn't even notice )

I noticed, bro. Welcome back!!!

My one thought is that the perception of having a moderator in the Retail Vendors forum who is also a Retail Vendor (and as such, has skin in the game) is that this exact point can be made quite easily.

I wont try as to not offend, because offended people will always find a way to be offended. This is now at least the 3rd time you've tried to make such a passive/aggressive accusation.
Here: http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php/topic,141081.msg1461253.html#msg1461253 (Man, I even defense Scottard in this one!)
and here : http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php/topic,133905.msg1388865.html#msg1388865

A few things you fail to acknowledge, like the fact Haruman is the one who pinned your vendor sticky in the first place, and more importantly the fact you don't actually sell anything. He also pinned ebarlow's BST thread prior to Eric quitting BYOAC. You two are the only other bartop vendors Im aware of he didnt let the fact he sells bartops stop him from doing his moderating duties.

All that being said, your perception may not be indicative of the public's feelings, and the vast majority of blanket statements are false.

Funny thing, perception. Once could perceive that a "vendor" making such accusations against another "vendor" is nothing more than sour grapes.

[Rick]

I wont try as to not offend, because offended people will always find a way to be offended. This is now at least the 3rd time you've tried to make such a passive/aggressive accusation.

It's not an accusation - it's a fact. (I don't think it's all that "passive aggressive", either.) We have a moderator who has the ability to exert power and control over the Retail Vendors thread - regardless of whether he does so or not - who is also a Retail Vendor. It's my opinion that this isn't good for the forums, as it could be viewed in a negative light.

A few things you fail to acknowledge, like the fact Haruman is the one who pinned your vendor sticky in the first place, and more importantly the fact you don't actually sell anything. He also pinned ebarlow's BST thread prior to Eric quitting BYOAC. You two are the only other bartop vendors I'm aware of he didn't let the fact he sells bartops stop him from doing his moderating duties.

I'm sorry, but you're incorrect on the fact that I "don't sell anything". Regardless of the fact that I don't have a fully-functional CNC, I still have a stock of my own fight sticks for sale. I will also be opening my website/storefront shortly, and have PM'd Saint with a couple of questions that I need to get answered, prior to releasing the information publicly.

All that being said, your perception may not be indicative of the public's feelings, and the vast majority of blanket statements are false.

My perception/opinion certainly may NOT be indicative of the public's feelings. That's why they call it an opinion. Just because you don't agree with it doesn't make it any less important. In my opinion, you're being rather one-sided, and argumentative, which is fully within your right.

In my opinion, Haruman has been more than fair to everybody - myself included. My opinion isn't meant to be a personal attack. I like the guy. I've talked to him via PM and email offline. Sure we disagree on things from time to time - and in some instances, I've crapped up his threads a bunch and have apologized and asked him to sanitize them. I don't bear him any ill will whatsoever.

Beyond that, I have no idea what got you all upset.

Funny thing, perception. One could perceive that a "vendor" making such accusations against another "vendor" is nothing more than sour grapes.

You're missing the point, but I get it. It wasn't meant to be personal - it's a viewpoint. It's certainly not sour grapes, as I do know that I've complimented his work and have recommended him to others.

For the record, I like Haruman. He's done a lot for the community, and has been a cornerstone to this hobby. He's a good and fair moderator. I like Malenko. He offers his time, good information, and quality graphics work to the community. I like Yotsuya. He makes me laugh. He's never without something to say.

[pbj]

it wont, or you'd be banned, I'd be warned by saint, and X2's account would be nuked from space.

Funny thing, perception. One could perceive that a "vendor" making such accusations against another "vendor" is nothing more than sour grapes.

You're misusing the idiom sour grapes, English Teacher.

 

[Well Fed Games]

Not sure what there is left to say. Complaints were aired, the mod has responded (in a respectful way, from where I sit), Saint has chimed in as well. This is a great forum. There is nothing in the hobby that compares. Not sure what the reason is for the high stress is around here lately, but I hope it fades soon.

[yotsuya]

No, I don't think I am. But that certainly doesn't change my perception of you, homeboy.

[HaRuMaN]

Good lord...  pbj's laughing his butt off somewhere, I'm sure.

[yotsuya]

I used to care what PBJ thinks, but I know now he's pretty much the clown that used to be his avatar. Whatever gives him his kicks, I guess.

[Malenko]

brief retort:
Rick,
Yes , it is possible he could. Its just not probable or likely, so I don't see how him being a vendor and mod is an issue. As soon as he starts doing underhanded ---steaming pile of meadow muffin---, I'm on your side.
If you feel that Haruman is more than fair to everyone, why bother saying he shouldn't be a seller and a mod?

Not selling anything was a joke. I know you sold at least 1 bartop that I did the Galaga art on, honestly I don't keep tabs on sellers.

I'm not one-sided, just pointing out why I disagree with you. I'm also not upset, but a little irritated, its like your beating a dead horse for no reason.

I appreciate the kind words, but some would say that I should go away. That my knowledge , time, and more often than not free artwork isnt worth the trouble of having me around. My self imposed 9 day ban was a gift to those people. 

You're misusing the idiom sour grapes, English Teacher.

How so? I was taught it meant self imagined hate for something one does not or cannot have ; in this case I would think sales one vendor got over another. From  Aesop's fables, right?

[yotsuya]

For me, it's this imagined "power" that only HaRuMaN has a vendor that no one else has to influence sales.

If PBJ made a thread like this one commenting how H-man's stick looked like Xs and that got deleted, I'd agree. But don't crap a FS thread. I'd feel the some way if someone crapped Rick's FS thread saying he stole designs from Taito, Nintnedo,  etc.

[HaRuMaN]

[Rick]

Yes, it is possible he could. It's just not probable or likely, so I don't see how him being a vendor and mod is an issue. As soon as he starts doing underhanded ---steaming pile of meadow muffin---, I'm on your side.

That wouldn't happen - I'm pretty confident of that. But that, in itself, is not my point. I'm not saying Haruman is (or ever would be) a problem.

If you feel that Haruman is more than fair to everyone, why bother saying he shouldn't be a seller and a mod?

Not selling anything was a joke. I know you sold at least 1 bartop that I did the Galaga art on, honestly I don't keep tabs on sellers.

I didn't realize it was a joke. I was concerned that my status would be in jeopardy, if the perception was that I didn't have products to sell. (I also have a price list in the thread.)

I'm not one-sided, just pointing out why I disagree with you. I'm also not upset, but a little irritated, its like your beating a dead horse for no reason.

I appreciate that. I look at it this way. This is not my site, it's Saint's. I like to think of this place as his business, and we're all stakeholders in it. If it's successful, we're all a little more successful. If we're Microsoft and someone on our Board of Directors works for Apple, then sometime, someone is going to come in and ---smurfette--- about it (a poor analogy, maybe, but still) and I think that brings us all down a bit.

Arguing like we do sometimes - and I gotta say, I felt ganged up on a bit here - bears a striking parallel to conversations on KLOV, which is a reason I don't go there much. (That being said, this is a public forum, and considering I've been a member on a bunch of them for more years than I have fingers and toes, you'd think I'd be used to that whole "brutal honesty/you butthurt, bro?" thing by now.)

I appreciate the kind words, but some would say that I should go away. That my knowledge, time, and more often than not free artwork isn't worth the trouble of having me around. My self imposed 9 day ban was a gift to those people.

I, for one, would miss you. Then again, I also missed PBJ when he left. So, maybe my opinion can't really be trusted after all.



Jokes. I joke. (At the expense of PBJ's perceived foibles only - I actually really did miss the guy when he left.)

In all seriousness, I do try to treat everybody as respectfully as I can, and when I'm NOT being respectful, I try to make sure people know I'm joking - with an emoticon, a "jk", or something.

[yotsuya]

Hey, I missed PBJ, too. He may be an ---uvula---, but he's OUR ---uvula---.

[Rick]

If PBJ made a thread like this one commenting how H-man's stick looked like Xs and that got deleted, I'd agree. But don't crap a FS thread. I'd feel the some way if someone crapped Rick's FS thread saying he stole designs from Taito, Nintnedo,  etc.

At least I came up with some original names. "Pretendo"? Really?



(Also - I agree with your point.)

[yotsuya]

Rick- it's all good. 

[HaRuMaN]

In my opinion, Haruman has been more than fair to everybody - myself included. My opinion isn't meant to be a personal attack. I like the guy. I've talked to him via PM and email offline.

[yotsuya]

We just need Jim to post the Now Kiss gif and we'll be ready for the weekend.

[Malenko]

At least I came up with some original names. "Pretendo"? Really?

I came up with pretendo, well , I didnt come up with the word, but I thought it worked well for the cab design. I think I named all the cabs :/

Just told him to change it to Mintendo (MIni ninTENDO) , so suck it? 

[HaRuMaN]

At least I came up with some original names. "Pretendo"? Really?

I came up with pretendo, well , I didnt come up with the word, but I thought it worked well for the cab design. I think I named all the cabs :/

Other than Ultimate widescreen, yup. 

[harveybirdman]

Personally I think you're all a bunch of nerds and no group of women would ever rate any of you higher than a 6....  (just depends on how much $ you make)

[Generic Eric]

Hey, I missed PBJ, too. He may be an ---uvula---, but he's OUR ---uvula---.

They could log in under different names, but some point, these  archetypes would manifest themselves anyway.

He maybe our ---uvula--- now:

[yotsuya]

I look at you guys like brothers - some times brothers fight, sometimes they mess with each other, but in the end, we got each other's backs. Some of you are that creepy sister, though, and one or two of you are that ---uvula--- cousin you have that is always full of ---steaming pile of meadow muffin--- (and loves to eat Peanut Butter and Jelly), but he's family so you love him anyway.

[Rick]

I came up with pretendo, well, I didn't come up with the word, but I thought it worked well for the cab design. I think I named all the cabs.

If you ever want a primer on arcade cab naming, you know where to find me.

 

[Rick]

I look at you guys like brothers - some times brothers fight, sometimes they mess with each other, but in the end, we got each other's backs. Some of you are that creepy sister, though, and one or two of you are that ---uvula--- cousin you have that is always full of ---steaming pile of meadow muffin--- (and loves to eat Peanut Butter and Jelly), but he's family so you love him anyway.

Aww, and I'll always think of you as that uncle that... ...you know.

Err.

[yotsuya]

I look at you guys like brothers - some times brothers fight, sometimes they mess with each other, but in the end, we got each other's backs. Some of you are that creepy sister, though, and one or two of you are that ---uvula--- cousin you have that is always full of ---steaming pile of meadow muffin--- (and loves to eat Peanut Butter and Jelly), but he's family so you love him anyway.

Aww, and I'll always think of you as that uncle that... ...you know.

Err.

No, according to the late CoryBee, YOU'RE Uncle Touchy with the Naked Puzzle Basement. 

[Rick]

No, according to the late CoryBee, YOU'RE Uncle Touchy with the Naked Puzzle Basement. 

Whatever you say, Uncle Yots.

[HaRuMaN]

Whatever happened to CoryBee?

[Generic Eric]

I look at you guys like brothers - some times brothers fight, sometimes they mess with each other, but in the end, we got each other's backs. Some of you are that creepy sister, though, and one or two of you are that ---uvula--- cousin you have that is always full of ---steaming pile of meadow muffin--- (and loves to eat Peanut Butter and Jelly), but he's family so you love him anyway.

Aww, and I'll always think of you as that uncle that... ...you know.

Err.

No, according to the late CoryBee, YOU'RE Uncle Touchy with the Naked Puzzle Basement. 

Damn, he is late isn't he?  He should be here by now.

[yotsuya]

No, according to the late CoryBee, YOU'RE Uncle Touchy with the Naked Puzzle Basement. 

Whatever you say, Uncle Yots.

No problem, Cousin Eddie.

[yotsuya]

Whatever happened to CoryBee?

He's wearing a puffy shirt and making his way across Europe trying to get laid.

[pbj]

So now that you've all tugged it out how about you invest some effort in addressing the following:

A website that actually works, displays what exactly you're selling, includes prices,details how to put them together, and shows some finished products.

An enormous and obnoxious company logo that leads you to a complete dead end is worthless.  (time to alleviate the eye twitch and filter that damned thing)

Burying product announcements in a bloated, obscene 1,800 post thread accomplishes nothing.



Your market is filthy casuals that can't work a jigsaw.  Why do you both make it so hard for them to give you money? 

[harveybirdman]

http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php/topic,128980.0.html

This is the end? perhaps?

[Rick]

A website that actually works, displays what exactly you're selling, includes prices,details how to put them together, and shows some finished products.

I have all of that in progress. In fact, I'll be the first to say I'm too focused on the details and could have probably launched 'most of it' months ago. I do hope to have this completed and launched in the next week. (I am still waiting on some info from Saint, so Saint, if you're reading this, there's a PM waiting for you.)

An enormous and obnoxious company logo that leads you to a complete dead end is worthless. (time to alleviate the eye twitch and filter that damned thing)

If you're speaking of mine, I don't find it enormous nor obnoxious. Different strokes.

Burying product announcements in a bloated, obscene 1,800 post thread accomplishes nothing.

That I agree! When you're right, you're right.

Your market is filthy casuals that can't work a jigsaw. Why do you both make it so hard for them to give you money?

Again, you're right. I'm working on it, good sir.

[saint]

*unlurk*

Responded. Sorry Rick, thought I had already. Getting too senile to be trusted.

[opt2not]

Your market is filthy casuals that can't work a jigsaw.  Why do you both make it so hard for them to give you money? 

In general, if you're building a mame machine you're pretty much a "filthy casual". Everyone knows playing on real PCB's are for hardcore playaz.
But lets face it, Mame is great for sampling games...very seldom do people concentrate on one game for a while when there's so many games to choose from.


*fyi Rick, quoting pbj too many times is like repeating Bloody Mary 3 times in front of a mirror with the lights turned off.

[Vigo]

But lets face it, Mame is great for sampling games...very seldom do people concentrate on one game for a while when there's so many games to choose from.

I actually appreciate the competitions here for that reason, because it does get me to play a game for a week or so, at least if the game doesn't blow chunks.

[opt2not]

But lets face it, Mame is great for sampling games...very seldom do people concentrate on one game for a while when there's so many games to choose from.

I actually appreciate the competitions here for that reason, because it does get me to play a game for a week or so, at least if the game doesn't blow chunks.

Oh definitely, I agree with that.