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CRT Vs LCD for driving cabs
twistedsymphony:
(this topic was split from flash951's Final Lap thread found here: http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php/topic,140713.0.html - BadMouth)
--- Quote from: Howard_Casto on August 19, 2014, 09:31:01 am ---Eh crts are over. As soon as mame got hlsl support to simulate a crt screen, I ran out of excuses to hold on to them.
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ASPECT RATIO!
... if you're building a custom cab that's one thing but they don't make 4:3 LCDs over 20" and even if you black barred a wide-screen LCD it wont physically fit inside the a cabinet designed for a CRT unless you're willing to down-size the display area.
With scan-line generators and display lag getting better LCDs are much better candidates for replacing CRT. I'd be willing to give up CRTs in my cabs but the fact remains that if I wanted to install a an LCD in my 25" midway cab, a de-cased widescreen monitor capable of producing a 25" 4:3 image would STILL be about 2" too wide to physically fit in the cabinet.
...on the other hand, the cabinet is big enough that if I wanted to I could up-grade to a 27" CRT.
Not until they start manufacturing 4:3 LCDs will they be a suitable replacement for CRTs in classic arcade machines.
Howard_Casto:
Which would be a perfectly valid point if we weren't talking about racing games.
Most modern racing games, even the emulated ones, have a widescreen option. Anything ran in model 2 can be run widescreen via bit of scripting. Anything in model 2, supermodel and demul can be ran at a resolution much higher than a crt via hardware acceleration.
Also I buy 16:10 (note I didn't say 16:9) monitors and buy them oversized so the "wide" part of the screen goes into the bezel area. Then you get a screen of the same equivalent 4:3 size. I've got that in my original mame cab now... it's not as big of a deal as you are making it out to be. Depending upon the model you might have to de-case it, but we've done worse.
flash951:
I've put a 25" 4:3 CRT in both my two cabinets, because it's the biggest than can fit in between. In my opinion, one big benefit using CRT is that it can run all native resolutions, while LCD is only made for one resolution, so everything needs to be scaled and distorted. Another thing with LCD is that the affordable models seems to have small color space, for example, if you have display very light grey og very dark grey, it will turn out as "burned out" white or black. For my work PC, home and office, I use expensive 4:3 21" LCD's, I work with graphic design and has photo as a hobby. Also all affordable LCD has to get calibrated and corrected. I've have an X-rite to calibrate my monitors and make a "correction" color profile on my PC. On CRT I don't bother, it's OK for games already.
The CRTs I use are only standard resolution 15 khz, still the picture when running 800x600 interlaced on m2 games are just what I consider perfect, pleasant to look at.
Howard_Casto:
Lol except that the m2 emulator doesn't render at 15khz so your point is invalid. Native resolutions are also invalid. Emulators can output any resolution you desire with zero overhead so long as the emulator's render size isn't changed (most have the option to set this). Also modern video cards and modern lcds handle the "one native resolution" issue just fine via software. This isn't the year 2000. I'll take your word for it on the colorspace thing, but considering in terms of racing games you have your choice of 8 bit paletted color or modern racers optimized for lcds anyway I don't see how it would make a heck of a lot of difference. Again all valid points... if we weren't talking about a racing cab.
I'm not trying to get into an argument, you guys just seem to be taking offense at the fact that crts are over, which they are. Again I'm not suggesting you throw one out if it's still working, they are a perfectly acceptable monitor, but when it comes time to replace a broken one.....
flash951:
I agree that some of my arguments are not valid for 3D games and the newer games obviously, of course. I just wanted to share some of my personal experiences and thoughts, and it's not arguments read somewhere else.
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