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Need For Speed: The Run not compatible with XP
BadMouth:
--- Quote from: Fursphere on May 31, 2013, 11:37:57 am ---I have an extra Vista activation key if you want it Badmouth. (I don't think I have any Win7 keys left, but I'll check)
An honestly - if you're still using XP, you're long overdue to an upgrade. :) If your system can play the newer NFS games, it can easily run Vista / Win7 (and probably Win8 honestly)
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I have a fresh copy of windows 7, but I don't want to tie it to this outdated motherboard.
XP still rocks for emulator rigs in most cases, the exception being the newest version of Demul emulator which uses directx 11.
I have Vista on my slim LCD cab for that reason, but I'm considering switching to XP because it's easier to hide.
The only game I'll lose that I care about is Metal Slug 6.....and it really isn't that different from all the others in the series.
The reason this came up is that I had enough spare parts laying around that by spending $60 on a couple more components, I was able to build a duplicate of the PC in my driving cab. Then I restored the backup of the driving cab to it (try that with Vista or Win7!). Now I'm using that to test whether or not the games I care about would still run at full speed if networking were re-enabled and all these DRM clients installed. So far it's doing pretty good. I'm also trying to install some old PC games that I couldn't get running on my Win7 laptop.
I'd take that Vista key though if you're not going to use it elsewhere.
The next version of Demul is going to add Gaelco games and if they work properly, I'm going to want them on the driving cab.
I could move the Vista PC out of my slim LCD into the driving cab, then put your Vista key on this "new" PC.
I don't want to mess with all that right now. Much easier just to copy my driving cab to this PC, get everything working while sitting at a desk, then drop a duplicate of this hard drive back in the driving cab.
Howard_Casto:
Sorry, IT guy here you can't out-tech me. ;)
Xp makes it difficult to use things like unsigned drivers and the parallel port, UAC constantly fights you, it's difficult to set joystick priorities ect.... I could fill this whole page with reasons. 7 is more bogged down with services, it's more difficult to hide the bootup, it usually boots much slower, really the only benefit is running dx 11 and I can count the games that require dx 11 on my one hand. But the most important thing is resources. Why would you run an OS that takes up 3 times as much ram at idle when you don't have to? Emulators need every bit of resources available to get peak performance, so there isn't any reason to needlessly fill those up. This is even more true for pc games btw, which typically eat up the ram.
I mean even though I prefer 7, the desktop I'm working on is permanently in test mode. If it wasn't then it would be worthless to me.
Who puts a SLI video card in a MAME cab? Who buys those things in the first place? Never pay more than 50 dollars for a video card because it'll be obsolete next month.
I've got legit copies of xp 64bit on all my machines.
I think you are confused as to the purpose of BM's post. We all prefer Xp, it just reduces bloat above all else and we all run it because thus far there has been no benefit to running 7. it was a warning that this particular game isn't xp friendly and perhaps the days of running xp without any differences might be coming to an end.
Fursphere:
Ok.. I'll address this point by point. :) And I'm not trying to "out tech" you. I'm just really curious about this desire to hold onto the past.
Drivers - Is your hardware really that old? (you can turn off the unsigned driver thing in the local policy settings)
Parallel port - What the plugging into a parallel port that you can't use something else? Since this is all about MAME cabinets (which NFS The Run doesn't even run on a MAME cabinet... lol), what do you need on a MAME Cabinet that uses a parallel port?
UAC - Turn it off (and turn of DEP too while you're at it)
Services - turn off what you don't need if it bugs you that much
Slower on boot. Eh, probably - how often do you not have 10 seconds to spare? Spend $60 on an SSD and its damn near instant if it means that much.
Resources - RAM specfically. Win7 caches things you use in RAM, giving you the appearance that its "using" more ram than Windows XP. That's just not accurate. WinXP drops things once its done, so technically its slower at reloading programs that you recently closed than Win7. If you open the Resource Monitor on Win7, you can see how much is cached vs. actually used. And when you can get 8GB of DDR3 for $40 - is this really an argument point? lol
Performance - Exactly how old is your hardware? :) Running emulators requires resources - I agree totally - so buy faster resources, not run an antiquated OS to compensate. Newer emulators *ARE* using DX10/11 - so if you want to keep up with the times, you need to upgrade.
MAME uses DX9 right? - I wouldn't be surprised if it jumps to DX11 in the next year or two. its only a matter of time.
BadMouth:
(replying to your previous post)
--- Quote from: Fursphere on May 31, 2013, 12:36:19 pm ---So.. I'm a Systems Engineer by trade. Windows is what i do (servers mostly, but desktops aren't much different to be honest)
I'd really like to hear the reasons why XP is "better" than 7 on today's hardware in your opinion. I read stuff on the subject all the time over on the Hyperspin forums and I've just straight given up on dealing with FUD. (fear, uncertainty, doubt). People just don't want to move away from what they know.
My personal favorites are the guys who built a Core i7 w/ 16 GB RAM and a Nvidia SLI video card setup to run.... Windows XP. /facepalm (they don't realize that half the features they paid for on those fancy video cards only really work in DirectX 10 / 11.....) (Or they drop $1500 on hardware, but won't spend $100 on an OS, so they continue to run bootleg XP)
The Vista requirement for NFS - The Run is probably due to need DirectX 10 or 11 (you can get DX10 running on XP... but its not worth the effort in my opinion).
What hardware are you running on your MAME cabinets? (I've got Win7 on my MAME cabinet, and Win8 on my Driving cabinet)
Are you just trying to avoid the activation requirement of Windows 7 (basically running a bootleg copy of XP)
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I wouldn't say it's better on today's hardware. It wouldn't surprise me if xp drivers weren't available for some of today's hardware.
The most popular processor on this forum is probably a Pentium IV. A lot of people get into this hobby thinking they've found a use for their outdated PC. Little did they know much they'd end up spending in the end. :lol
Some benefits to XP (which you've already addressed, but I typed this before your last post):
The lack of all the user account control stuff like "permissions" and "ownership" makes it simpler to use.
I turned it off, but still had issues with it not allowing me to take control of the printer port to rotate my monitor.
I ended up moving on to USB controlled Pololu controllers, but the parallel port would have done the same thing for free.
Ability to easily hide bootup. Instantsheller makes it....instant.
I've tried in vain to hide the vista bootup. There is one screen that every program that claims to hide Vista fails to cover.
I actually paid someone to make me an awesome bootup video, but it is ruined by the vista bootup before it.
Like I said, I have Vista64 in my slim LCD cab. I was lucky that it (unexpectedly) let me migrate to a newer motherboard without hassle, then I incorrectly seated some memory and fried said motherboard and had to go through the phone-in process to get it activated again. It wasn't that bad. I expected to be grilled and hassled about it being a system-builder copy and being tied to the mobo, but I just entered the crazy amount of numbers it asked for and it activated. I didn't purchase it for the purpose of using in this emulator rig. It was what I had laying around, so I used it.
I have around $250 in each of my emulator PCs.
Three of them use 3.4Ghz Athlon X3 processors, 8600GT video cards, and $40 mobos with the same chipsets.
That is the fastest processor the budget mobos I used will allow for since they're limited to 95w. I have a fourth one with a 2.9Ghz Athlon X3, still with the same chipset and video card. They are used in my driving cab, old emulator setup (x-arcade pedestal in front of CRT-TV), slim LCD upright, and now this extra PC I just put together .
The copy of Windows 7 I just bought is for the killer system I'd like to build. It was on sale at Newegg for $80 and I didn't think it would go much cheaper.
That is how I build my computers, snagging one part at a time when the price is right.
Fursphere:
My MAME cab is on similar hardware running Windows 7. Core2Duo 2 ghz, 9500GT video (i think it was $40 when I bought it), cheap $40 mobo, and 2GB of ram.
I planned on doing the same thing with my driving cabinet, but after I dropped $200 on a steering wheel, and $300 on the 32" screen, something told me that a "cheap computer was the wrong approach. As soon as I started playing the newer NFS games, I knew I was right. So I used my Core i5 3.4 ghz, 8 GB ram, GTX 440 powerhouse system (well, it was when I built it) for the driving cabinet because I knew I needed the horse power for the newer games.
Most of MAME doesn't require much to play. A driving cabinet - unless you're just playing the ancient driving games in MAME - requires a lot more computing power.
It think that was really proven in Badmouths performance thread - if you want to play Ridge Racer on MAME properly, you need a beefy system. The Pentium 4 isn't going to cut it.
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