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GORGEOUS ARCADE COFFEE TABLE FINISHED (for sale)
MTPPC:
I guess only one person can lay claim to a coffee table arcade machine. Why that is such a unique idea, I can hardly believe anyone ever thought of it in the first place. I think I'm going to build one out gold an silver inlay so it can cost around a hundred grand. Then I can just call surface tensions model a cheap knock-off of mine.
The two "cabinets" displayed here are nothing at all alike. For ST to come in bashing is ridiculous. OP's model and pricepoint are a lot more viable than ST's. That's why they're so pissed off. ST, did you ever do a market analysis at your price point or is it more of a Field of Dreams thing. Don't get me wrong. I love your design and if I built it for myself, I'd be very proud. But at your price point, I'm almost embarrassed for you. I wouldn't have said anything, but to come out here busting on OP for copying you is sort of pathetic on your part.
MTPPC:
--- Quote from: Turnarcades on November 22, 2012, 07:10:06 am ---First thing I thought of when I saw this was Surface Tension's tables, it's very obvious. It's a good table design of course and good luck with it, but in ST's defence I've seen their stuff in the flesh and knowing the exceptional quality and what exactly goes into them, the price tag is fully justified.
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Over 5 grand for MAME in a coffee table can only be justified by people who are selling it or something like it. Coffee tables are for very casual gaming because the ergonomics aren't acceptable for marathon sessions or sessions longer than a half hour for that matter. If the coffee table is worth 5 grand, then it's certainly worth over 10 grand because you are so far out on the tail of the price elasticity curve it shouldn't be a bit harder to find anyone stupid enough to pay 10 grand than it is to find a sucker to dump 5 grand.
Richie_jones:
Let's also not forget that the table and screen are only 80% of the final product. Hows about all the time and effort that's gone into the front ends used in these systems, I know surface tension is using gamex I think, not there product in the first place yet still using it to profit from there tables. I just hope the guys doing the frontends will see some of the profits from all sales....because without the front end the tables would be unsaleable....
surface tension:
I'm going to make this my last visit to this thread as some of the replies in here are ridiculous and others simply unwarranted.
ripsnort, I was not bashing your machine. It looks like a great build. But when I say cheap, it was made so it didn't break the bank and you could for example use an LCD from ebay, a power strip you had lying unused or some buttons from a previous build. I'm saying that this is something we can't do.
--- Quote from: johnm on November 22, 2012, 09:54:52 am ---It's a table, it has a screen and PC in it.. There's not really much you can do with that and they will all look similar to each other..
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Really?
--- Quote from: ripsnort on November 22, 2012, 11:33:40 am ---If i put the glass vertical is that a copy, or covered the top in glass is that a copy, or finished it in oak is that a copy, i not really sure were you draw the line.
Is this table a copy
Yes my glass section looks similar but it also looks similar to the one above. the rest is completly based on the black table above (Has Ikea copied ST), its finished in walnut because our furniture is, the satin black sections are matched with my upright arcade (on here somewhere), i mean cmon what other colour would you use, i guess walnut but then the cost goes crazy.
It seems people think i have been studying the ST table in detail, well im sorry thats just not the case.
I have no idea how the ST table works, what its features are, or its spec, I have no idea if it has a disk drive that pops out the side, or an admin drawer under the main drawer, or and ipod dock or remote control.
I have no intention of undercutting ST, or trying to steel there buisness and i have certainly not insinuated that there tables are too expensive.
I have put a lot of thought and hard work into this table and the assumption that i just completey copied ST upsets me.
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I'm sure you did put a lot of thought and hard work into the table, as I said, it looks great. And yes, there is more than just the outside. The reason I commented originally is that they look extremely similar. We also offer in oak by the way.
--- Quote from: Acids on November 22, 2012, 01:39:27 pm ---
Agreed +1. :applaud:
Regardless if it looks the same, obviously they are not.
They both look awesome to me and im guessing you both enjoyed designing them.
Ripsnort. Thank you for showing the insides of your cabinet. it looks well thought out and tidy.
surface tension would you be so kind to do the same? id love to see the insides of your creations ( especially the control panel hinge locking mechanism, that's neat :D )
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Thanks Acids, but as ripsnort rightly said, we can't post the insides of our table, especially the hinge mechanism. You wouldn't expect any other company to do such a thing!
--- Quote from: MTPPC on November 24, 2012, 04:15:52 am ---I guess only one person can lay claim to a coffee table arcade machine. Why that is such a unique idea, I can hardly believe anyone ever thought of it in the first place. I think I'm going to build one out gold an silver inlay so it can cost around a hundred grand. Then I can just call surface tensions model a cheap knock-off of mine.
The two "cabinets" displayed here are nothing at all alike. For ST to come in bashing is ridiculous. OP's model and pricepoint are a lot more viable than ST's. That's why they're so pissed off. ST, did you ever do a market analysis at your price point or is it more of a Field of Dreams thing. Don't get me wrong. I love your design and if I built it for myself, I'd be very proud. But at your price point, I'm almost embarrassed for you. I wouldn't have said anything, but to come out here busting on OP for copying you is sort of pathetic on your part.
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Ignoring the first paragraph, please see the above photos. "nothing at all alike" - well that's your choice to say from a design point of view. You should also read the thread properly. Not once did I bash ripsnort's product. I said it was "cheap". Not meant derogatorily, but maybe "cost efficient when compared to ours" would have been better.
Field of dreams thing? You're almost embarrassed for us? I wouldn't go into how our business is doing on a public forum! But I thank you for your concern.
--- Quote from: MTPPC on November 24, 2012, 04:23:54 am ---Over 5 grand for MAME in a coffee table can only be justified by people who are selling it or something like it. Coffee tables are for very casual gaming because the ergonomics aren't acceptable for marathon sessions or sessions longer than a half hour for that matter. If the coffee table is worth 5 grand, then it's certainly worth over 10 grand because you are so far out on the tail of the price elasticity curve it shouldn't be a bit harder to find anyone stupid enough to pay 10 grand than it is to find a sucker to dump 5 grand.
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We don't sell MAME, but if there is demand for what we are offering, we will continue to supply it. You are correct in that these are for more casual gamers and not for marathon sessions, but that's not what's being debated here. We aren't a mainstream product and for you to call our customers "suckers" and potentially "stupid" is uncalled for. We don't price to be greedy or take advantage regardless of what you may think.
--- Quote from: Richie_jones on November 24, 2012, 05:07:00 am ---Let's also not forget that the table and screen are only 80% of the final product. Hows about all the time and effort that's gone into the front ends used in these systems, I know surface tension is using gamex I think, not there product in the first place yet still using it to profit from there tables. I just hope the guys doing the frontends will see some of the profits from all sales....because without the front end the tables would be unsaleable....
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We pay Tom commercial rates for GameEx, which is higher than the website price. It's an amazing front end and very well supported. It is also listed on our website. I'm not sure what point you're trying to make.
As I said, this is the last time I post in here, but I felt I needed to reply to some of these comments. I will say again that it's a great build ripsnort, but I couldn't not comment after seeing the photos.
ripsnort:
Richie_jones
I cudnt agree more, without the efforts of the software, then all ive built is a coffee table, yes my table is currently configured for Hyperspin but the plan is that being sold on here pretty much 100% of users here know how to set up a frontend and will probably use there own setup.
I just have HS on it at the mo as this is what i use, obviusly if somone wants a similar setup then i'll glady help them through it.
I am a huge fan of HS and BBB's work and have contributed hundreds of wheel images to the project myself.
I have a lot of respect for the guys that put the work in to these frontends and emulators etc and do not want to be thought of as someone who is just cashing in on this.
Im trying to be 100% honest with my intentions of this table which i'm sure is more than some have done on here in the past.
ST as my previous post stated, i really didnt want arguents and didnt expect this thread to end up like this, as i said you make a fine table and it seams we have taken 2 different approaches and come up with something similar.
Guys as ST has said can we please quit with the bashing and stick with the main topic here (its starting to get a bit ridiclous)
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