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ChadTower:
--- Quote from: pinballjim on March 31, 2011, 05:41:51 pm ---Yeah, except that $600 gets you nice original Flight 2000s all day long.
::)
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How much do you plan on getting for that Sharpshooter? You know very well it's not always about the end value.
ChadTower:
--- Quote from: pinballjim on April 01, 2011, 11:36:11 am ---A bad repro completely dilutes the market and now you have no hope of anyone coming in and doing it right.
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The problem with that logic is that what it hopes for has never happened anyway. If you want to go the other way the repros open up the market for used playfields that can be restored for people who need 100% accuracy to original rather than 97%. The problem with that logic, of course, is that nearly all of those burned out playfields are ending up either in the trash or on somebody's wall.
I'm not sure how someone can 100% consistently reproduce a playfield that had high manufacturing tolerances for both screw positioning and ink mixture anyway. They were never 100% consistent among each other in the first place.
TOK:
Does anyone have links to comparison pics (or just complaints) about the reproduction playfields vs. originals? I ask because I'm on a waiting list for a playfield that hasn't been done yet. My situation is just like Jeffo's -by the time this machine is done, it will probably have way more invested then it will ever be worth.
ChadTower:
They don't actually make a ton of profit per unit. I'm not saying they don't make money but it's not a 100% markup or anything. I have seen their equipment and they made a substantial investment. It's not mickey mouse hardware. They have a real automated laser cutter, a cnc lathe, and a commercial screen printer. When you consider the volume they do going much lower in cost wouldn't be sustainable. Anyone else producing playfields expects twice the price for a playfield that isn't dimpled or clearcoated. It might have changed since I was there but the only thing they were outsourcing a couple years ago was clearcoating.
I expected a secondary market of restored swap-out playfields to pop up but it never did. For all those people complaining that these products aren't what they would like nobody is making anything better available.
TOK, it's nearly impossible to do a real colormatch comparison on a monitor. Sure, you can see they aren't the same, but odds are decent you're not looking at the actual color on either due to any number of things that can get in the way.
Obviously I'm less picky about minor changes than jim. That said I have seen a lot of these playfields in person and I have yet to see one that had anything glaringly off. I concede that I'm often looking at a playfield for which I've never seen a nice original in person.
CheffoJeffo:
--- Quote from: ChadTower on April 01, 2011, 01:14:52 pm ---TOK, it's nearly impossible to do a real colormatch comparison on a monitor. Sure, you can see they aren't the same, but odds are decent you're not looking at the actual color on either due to any number of things that can get in the way.
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+1
I do find it somewhat ironic and funny that Xiaou is the guy who uses this precise fact in his arguments about monitors, yet ignores it here.
In any event, the playfield that I get on Monday will be far better than any that I have had opportunity to buy since I bought this machine.
And it will be a nice project to keep me busy.
:cheers:
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