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Steve Ritchie Speaks (again)

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Xiaou2:
Sorry, but King Of Diamonds isnt an exciting game.  Most people are more
interested in digital williams than an em style game.  Heck, if your gonna
do an EM remake, do something interesting like Flying Turns. Even Id buy
one of those.

 You dont need a price tag of $10,000 to make money on selling machines.
There are plenty of people who would rather have a brand spanking new
Williams remake over a Stern.

 MM remade, would bring down the inflated cost that its selling for currently,
but would still sell more than sterns best: LOTR.

LLUncoolJ:
I'd seriously consider buying a MM repro if the price were in line with current new games. Problem is they have to sell enough to get the price in line. BBB had an extremely small run, less than 200, hence the hefty price tag.

While there repro-ing, have them hook me up with a CV...might as well ask for a unicorn as rare as those seem be.

Jeff AMN:
It's not too hard to find a Cirqus Voltaire, but they're almost always in mint condition so they go at an extra premium. CV is a game I just don't get. It's really cool to look at, but it's clumsy, easy, and the ball gets stuck on the Ringmaster a lot. I also don't like the ball on the left side. The game can also be a huge SDTM drain monster. It's pretty, I'll give it that, but I don't think it's especially fun to play.

LLUncoolJ:
I admit I've only logged 3 games on one. The only one I've ever seen, the guy I bought my ToM from had it. So it may very well be as you described, but first impression, it was awesome.

Xiaou2:

--- Quote ---The BOM on Big Bang Bar allegedly ran around $10k, so I think that price point is a very conservative estimate on what a remake would sell for.
--- End quote ---

 Umm, are you joking?   The BBB was a very low quantity run,  using
new vendors, who messed things up.  Not a dedicated factory, such as
Stern has set up.

 Btw - do you think LOTR was cheap to make?  And LOTR was not that
big of a run either... and MM would outsell LOTR 10 to 1 guaranteed.

You can type all you want - there's no market for remakes.

 - You can type all you want.  But it wont change the fact that your wrong.
Im not even going to get into Movie remakes, or old school toy remakes
either...   Old gen and new gen, there is plenty of desire and demand
for remakes.


I seriously just have to shut down my ears whenever someone's got a tired old idea for 'saving pinball'.  It ain't happening, there's no demand.

 - Pinball Didnt have a market about 10yrs ago.  However, pinball is
in the spotlight now... and demand Is rising.  Just not rising for Piles
that Stern is crapping out.

  You can get fun fully working games on E-bay for less than $1,000 all day in just about every part of the country.  If there was this big demand, the market would be hungrier than that.

 - You cant get a brand new MM for $1000.  And you cant even get a
decent beat up DMD pin for under $1200 in most cases.  Yeah, we know
You like many non-dmd games... however, its pretty much universal that
DMD machines are the hot sellers.

I know you think that there's some magic title that transcends basic supply/demand, but it's not true.  People that are willing to pay $10k for a MM are so desperate that they're probably willing to pay $2k for something else just to scratch that pinball itch.  How come that isn't happening?

 - MM is more than a mere judge dread.  Its a masterpiece of enjoyable
art in motion.   Thats like saying that just because someone has some
extra money... they will drop it on a RX7 instead of a Lamborghini.

 There are many levels of Pinball people out there.  Some of which are
buying the $1000 games, and eventually trading them up for a higher
priced machine.  Some dropping a new or used machine on a credit card.  Some paying outright cash.  Some rich guys buying top of the line
restorations, and or new pins.  And of course, the Ops... who will
either keep a machine if it earns well... or sell if off it it does not.

 I can assure you, I know several people out there willing to pay decent
money for a new MM, including myself.  I cant pay 5k... but
3k, and Id be in the game.   Make them in a cheap labor country, in Massive
quantities, and you could probably sell them like Hotcakes for $2000 each.

 Heck, at this point, even if you sold all the needed parts as a build it
yourself kit... many people would still buy them like mad.


 And BTW - BBB is Not very good.  Ive played the repo at a collectors house.
The game sounds nice (with exception to the horrendous repetition of annoying phrases) , and looks nice... but gameplay wise?  Ugg.

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