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Main => Project Announcements => Topic started by: newtrix on October 11, 2009, 05:19:18 pm

Title: Taito Ms Pac-Man Just Finished!! 11/13
Post by: newtrix on October 11, 2009, 05:19:18 pm: Bought an old Taito Ms Pac Man-Quix game today for $40.00 Seems the power supply is dead? The cabinet is rough with water damage I may be able to replace the sides, not sure this one is worth saving. Im not in it a lot, maybe I should part it out. not sure how to check the power supply. There was a switch in the front left corner with four wires going to it. two white and two black. They were disconnected. Do i need to hook these white/white black black? or white/Black white/black? What is the next step to testing the power supply? There is AC at the auxillary plug now (After repairing the initial fuse block. Any suggestions? Are any of the parts valuable?
(http://i176.photobucket.com/albums/w186/newtrix_photos/pac.jpg)
Title: Re: Taito Ms Pac-Man REstore? Part-Out Troubleshoot?
Post by: Spyridon on October 11, 2009, 05:30:32 pm: Quote from: newtrix on October 11, 2009, 05:19:18 pm
maybe I should part it out.

No.

Looks like a fun project to convert back to Qix.

Besides, you've posted this in the restoration section, so you are already committed! ;D
Title: Re: Taito Ms Pac-Man REstore? Part-Out Troubleshoot?
Post by: IG-88 on October 11, 2009, 08:30:31 pm: REstore. 8)
Title: Day 1
Post by: newtrix on October 11, 2009, 09:25:16 pm: OK I realize now that it is not a Ms Pac Man QIX combo. Clearly its a marquee only converted QIX. I'm hoping to identify the PCB. Does anyone recognize it?

(http://i176.photobucket.com/albums/w186/newtrix_photos/photo.jpg)
Title: Re: Taito Ms Pac-Man REstore? Part-Out Troubleshoot?
Post by: SirPeale on October 11, 2009, 09:52:53 pm: I'm guessing Pac bootleg.
Title: Re: Taito Ms Pac-Man REstore? Part-Out Troubleshoot?
Post by: Spyridon on October 11, 2009, 11:18:10 pm: If you are going to repaint the cab, you can get the stencils at Gamestencils (http://www.gamestencils.com/index.php?crn=211&rn=402&action=show_detail)
Title: Day 1
Post by: newtrix on October 12, 2009, 12:58:35 am: Ok two more hours of tinkering and troubleshooting and the game plays(ms pacman bootleg like correct rom)!!! sound, video, buttons, coin, and gameplay not bad for $40. So for the rebuild I have decided to pretty much make a new cabinet identical to the current. And move over the guts and monitor mounting, speaker board and coin door. The big problem though is that the 5 Amp Slow Blow fuse keeps blowing (instantly) I put a car overhead lamp in the fuse holder to get it to play (It lights up bright, meaning I have a short or bad component). http://arcadeconnection.serverbox.org/schema/qix-schematic.pdf (http://arcadeconnection.serverbox.org/schema/qix-schematic.pdf) Its the F2 fuse in this diagram. I dont know what to do next, any ideas? Now that I know it works I can put a little money in it. The screen is grey, but not burned in. Looking for suggestions. (I dont have the QIX board and dont really want a QIX game.)
Title: Re: Taito Ms Pac-Man REstore? Part-Out Troubleshoot?
Post by: newtrix on October 12, 2009, 01:15:21 am: Is this bootleg board a Jamma Board? If so Could I replace the powersupply with a switching power supply?
Title: Re: Taito Ms Pac-Man REstore? Part-Out Troubleshoot?
Post by: RetroACTIVE on October 12, 2009, 09:10:00 am: Taito cabs are my favorite design. I really like their profile and height / width ratio.
Title: Re: Taito Ms Pac-Man REstore? Part-Out Troubleshoot?
Post by: SirPeale on October 12, 2009, 10:26:21 am: First, get that bulb out of there! It's blowing for a reason. By doing what you're doing, you're damaging something by letting it run.

Take everything off that particular circuit and reinstall one by one until you find the trouble spot.
Title: Day 2 - electronic troubleshooting
Post by: newtrix on October 12, 2009, 10:31:11 pm: Ok, I pulled the circuit board and learned something interesting. The circuit is not shorted untill I hook it to the brick. Does anyone know what this means?
Title: Day 3 - A possible solution?
Post by: newtrix on October 13, 2009, 02:05:37 am: Determined that the Bridge Rectifier (Which is the first component off the fuse holder) is dead on two segments. planning on replacing it with this one, is that ok? http://www.radioshack.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2062584 (http://www.radioshack.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2062584) does it sound like I'm barking up the right tree?
Title: Re: Taito Ms Pac-Man REstore? Part-Out Troubleshoot?
Post by: SirPeale on October 13, 2009, 06:44:01 am: Hard to say without pictures of any kind. Make sure they're not blurry.
Title: Day 4 - Shes Alive!!!
Post by: newtrix on October 13, 2009, 11:09:20 pm: Junkyard Arcade $40. Blown Fuses $5. Bridge Rectifier $6 Working Ms Pac Man Qix Conversion ...Priceless. Needless to say the Bridge Rectifier Fixed it. I say junkyard because it was literraly on a pallet stored on a metal rack, outdoors. No idea how long it had been there, but at least it doesnt rain much in Las Vegas. That said, one side and the top and front have a lot of water damage and there is a damaged corner and now I am at a crossroads... To repair? repaint? remake the cabinet? I could sell it as is for four times what I paid for it and put the money in a scratch build. Just dont know what to do. I know as this it the restoration forum and everyone will say restore to QIX. (Which I am not interested in doing.) I'll add pictures for advice on the water damage. Does anyone have any experience with wood hardner?
Title: Day 5 - The rebuild begins.
Post by: newtrix on October 14, 2009, 02:14:19 pm: So last night I emptied the now working cabinet. Laid it on its side and cleaned the edges and surface of the one good side with a belt sander. Today I'm getting new lumber to rebuild the cabinet. I intend to use the one good existing side to make duplicates I'll make 4 blanks and use two to rebuild the cabinet and 2 to do a scratch build mame. Not sure how I'll decorate the Ms Pacman. Its not the right shape to do a real ms pac. I could change the shape since I'm replacing the sides anyways. Cause in reality it's a Taito Qix with a fake Ms Pacman PCB and a conversion marquee, so it will never be a true restoration. I think I'll use the Tatito shape, paint it Ms Pacman Bluem with no graphics and a generic bezel and CP .
Title: Re: Taito Ms Pac-Man REstore? Part-Out Troubleshoot?
Post by: RayB on October 16, 2009, 03:44:45 pm: why not keep it in Taito colors and design? It's not like there's any shortage of Ms Pac cabinets.
Title: Day 6 - A trip to Lowes - Bases Built
Post by: newtrix on October 17, 2009, 03:46:41 am: Well how it will look is still undecided. But i'm going ahead with the faithfulish cabinet replication.
(http://i176.photobucket.com/albums/w186/newtrix_photos/DSCN0075-4.jpg)
Sturdy 2X4 bases cause these taitos had particleboard bases that crumbled with time. Seems every restore requires new feet.
(http://i176.photobucket.com/albums/w186/newtrix_photos/DSCN0076-4.jpg)
Copying the one good side with a router. I made a second set of sides to make a scratch build mame with LCD.
(http://i176.photobucket.com/albums/w186/newtrix_photos/DSCN0077-3.jpg)
Its coming together nicely. Cant believe I only bought this Sunday.
(http://i176.photobucket.com/albums/w186/newtrix_photos/DSCN0078-3.jpg)
Made speaker Panel, top, front and a couple parts of back for assembly tomorrow. I am interested in ideas for how it will look. it will play ms pacman perhaps taito stencils in blue and pink?
Title: Re: Taito Ms Pac-Man Remakeing cabinet
Post by: Spyridon on October 17, 2009, 09:50:24 am: I can't tell for sure from the pictures, but that Qix control panel looks to be in pretty good shape. Since there is no reproduction available for that control panel, you may want to see if any Qix owners would like to swap panels with you. (that is, if you are planning on going with a Ms. Pac looking paint job)
Title: Re: Taito Ms Pac-Man Remakeing cabinet
Post by: newtrix on October 17, 2009, 02:09:59 pm: Im game, it needs new graphics but other than that its fine.
Title: Day 7 - Cabinet takes shape
Post by: newtrix on October 18, 2009, 12:49:42 am: Time for end of day post up.

(http://i176.photobucket.com/albums/w186/newtrix_photos/DSCN0104.jpg)
(http://i176.photobucket.com/albums/w186/newtrix_photos/DSCN0105-1.jpg)
(http://i176.photobucket.com/albums/w186/newtrix_photos/DSCN0106-1.jpg)
(http://i176.photobucket.com/albums/w186/newtrix_photos/DSCN0107-1.jpg)
Title: Day 8
Post by: newtrix on October 18, 2009, 01:40:10 am: Im looking for ideas about how to do the back door if anyone has any posts that show something you think would work please clue me in. Currently I'm leaning towards screwed on panel, but I'd rather have a door. I happen to have a new piano hinge lying around.
Title: Re: Taito Ms Pac-Man Saved from the Junk Heap
Post by: SirPeale on October 18, 2009, 07:32:53 am: That's amazing! I wish I had that skill. And the tools. :)

The back door on an original Taito was on a hinge with a locking mechanism that would secure both the top and bottom of the door, from the right, when you turned the key.

What I'd do is cut the door and instead of using a lock I'd use screws to secure it into the wood. A couple of PLYWOOD (not MDF) blocks to screw into (so it doesn't get ripped out (which it probably wouldn't but I got my training keeping stuff on the street intact, not in the home)) and off you go.

If you were looking for something original you'll have to ask around for the locking mechanism.
Title: Day 8
Post by: newtrix on October 18, 2009, 12:13:20 pm: Got the door figured out, thanks for the compliment. For tools... Router $100, flush bit $25, slot cutter $25, chop saw $100 (not totally necessary), Radial arm saw with angle capability $100. Air nailer $20 harbor freight, used air compressor $40, belt sander $80 (not totally necessary). That is all I used. One tip is to get some panels cut to the interior width, the floor, top, front, back and shelf all have the same width. Then at home all you need is one Straight cut per panel.
Title: Day 9 - Shes Alive (Again)
Post by: newtrix on October 20, 2009, 12:46:45 am: Completed the door last night reusing the Taito hinges. Then I added a simple lock to the other side. I decided to install the circuit board power supply and wiring harness. Next thing you know it was all hooked up and I turned it on to make sure it still worked. (I had had a close call with the circuit board while it was out.) What do you know it still works!

(http://i176.photobucket.com/albums/w186/newtrix_photos/DSCN0108-1.jpg)
(http://i176.photobucket.com/albums/w186/newtrix_photos/DSCN0109-2.jpg)

Also filled some alignment holes with wood putty, next a little sanding and primer.
The current plan:
(http://i176.photobucket.com/albums/w186/newtrix_photos/cab2.jpg)
Title: Re: Taito Ms Pac-Man Rebuild Project
Post by: bradx on October 20, 2009, 03:59:59 am: looks nice but will look better once you offload that bezel/cp to the needy and get something more fitting to the ms pac theme.
Title: Re: Taito Ms Pac-Man Rebuild Project
Post by: newtrix on October 20, 2009, 01:02:37 pm: Yeah They are just for Mock-up and function verification for now. Still planing the bezel and CP.
Title: Re: Taito Ms Pac-Man Rebuild Project
Post by: RayB on October 20, 2009, 03:08:50 pm: You work so FAST!!!
:notworthy:
Title: Re: Taito Ms Pac-Man Rebuild Project
Post by: newtrix on October 20, 2009, 03:46:20 pm: It would be a lot faster if I wasnt squeezing it in on Nights and Weekends and my wife wasnt constantly complaining I dont spend my Nights and Weekends with her. :-\
Title: Day 10
Post by: newtrix on October 21, 2009, 01:36:23 am: Last Minute Dinner at the in-Laws despite best laid plans. :hissy: Took the monitor out and painted the base will need another coat I'm afraid. little more touch up with wood filler.
(http://i176.photobucket.com/albums/w186/newtrix_photos/DSCN0110-1.jpg)
Title: Day 11
Post by: newtrix on October 21, 2009, 10:06:06 pm: A coat of primer
(http://i176.photobucket.com/albums/w186/newtrix_photos/DSCN0111-2.jpg)
(http://i176.photobucket.com/albums/w186/newtrix_photos/DSCN0112-2.jpg)
(http://i176.photobucket.com/albums/w186/newtrix_photos/DSCN0113-1.jpg)
Title: Day 12
Post by: newtrix on October 23, 2009, 01:38:12 am: Dinner at my Mother's house and Survivor and a late night painting session. Paint from Home Depot Glidden Rapsody.
(http://i176.photobucket.com/albums/w186/newtrix_photos/DSCN0114-1.jpg)
(http://i176.photobucket.com/albums/w186/newtrix_photos/DSCN0115-1.jpg)
(http://i176.photobucket.com/albums/w186/newtrix_photos/DSCN0116-1.jpg)
Scored a CP overlay on eBay http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=220495472411&ssPageName=ADME:B:BCA:US:1123. (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=220495472411&ssPageName=ADME:B:BCA:US:1123.) Now I'll have to relocate/fill some holes in the QIX CP. Plan on backing with metal using bonding epoxy and then fill with Bondo. This is my big weekend project.
Title: Day 13
Post by: newtrix on October 24, 2009, 02:16:06 am: Dragged to Dinner and a casino tonight. Painted the black areas when I got home. Also bought a small sandblaster from Harbor Freight and tomorrow I'm going to try to blast the coin door and CP (Crossing Fingers)
(http://i176.photobucket.com/albums/w186/newtrix_photos/DSCN0118-1.jpg)
(http://i176.photobucket.com/albums/w186/newtrix_photos/DSCN0119.jpg)
(http://i176.photobucket.com/albums/w186/newtrix_photos/DSCN0120.jpg)
Title: Re: Taito Ms Pac-Man Rebuild Project
Post by: danny_galaga on October 25, 2009, 01:29:20 am: I'm jealous of all you guys who can rebuild/repair original equipment. Good work!
Title: Day 14 Duck Football
Post by: newtrix on October 25, 2009, 02:07:01 am: only spent a few hours on the project today due to football. Stripped/Rebuilt the coin door added T-molding. Worked on stripping the CP vinyl. Holy crap that stuff is tough. I'm open to suggestions on removing the old thick vinyl. It is so strong. I heard someone put in their barbeque. Any other great tricks? Should I just use a belt sander?
(http://i176.photobucket.com/albums/w186/newtrix_photos/DSCN0122.jpg)
(http://i176.photobucket.com/albums/w186/newtrix_photos/DSCN0121.jpg)
Title: Re: Taito Ms Pac-Man Rebuild Project
Post by: danny_galaga on October 26, 2009, 03:29:02 am: Have you tried a heat gun? Or paint stripper?
Title: Re: Taito Ms Pac-Man Rebuild Project
Post by: SirPeale on October 26, 2009, 08:52:18 am: Quote from: danny_galaga on October 26, 2009, 03:29:02 am

Have you tried a heat gun? Or paint stripper?

Oh heck yes. Heat gun FTW. Use a sander if you're a masochist.
Title: Day 16 Heat Gun for the Win!!!
Post by: newtrix on October 27, 2009, 01:47:18 am: Finally removed the Vinyl from the CP with a $25 Lowes heat gun. And a $1 Scraper. :applaud: Thanks for the advice guys! Slammed the monitor back in and it looks like I'll need a Cap Kit. :badmood: Anyways I roughed up the back of the CP and Epoxied some electrical plates over the holes i dont need. Eventually I'll Bondo the front and Drill the 3 correct Ms Pacman holes. Did the Marquee Yesterday.

(http://i176.photobucket.com/albums/w186/newtrix_photos/DSCN0125.jpg)
(http://i176.photobucket.com/albums/w186/newtrix_photos/DSCN0126.jpg)

An hour later...
(http://i176.photobucket.com/albums/w186/newtrix_photos/DSCN0127.jpg)
Wow that worked Awesome.
Title: Day 17 Bondo the CP
Post by: newtrix on October 27, 2009, 10:34:34 pm: (http://i176.photobucket.com/albums/w186/newtrix_photos/DSCN0128.jpg)
Look what I just won. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=130340195901&ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=130340195901&ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT)
Title: Re: Taito Ms Pac-Man Rebuild Project
Post by: newtrix on October 31, 2009, 01:09:38 am: Havnt worked on the cab much for the last two days because I had to put down my 15 year old dog. :( (http://i176.photobucket.com/albums/w186/newtrix_photos/DSCN0142.jpg)
Anyways I'm looking for assistance with a video problem I'm having now. Ms Pacman video problem (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=korFEY8sPIw#) Any suggestions? It looked ok last time I had it together. Took the monitor out to paint it and now it has some issues. Any suggestions? I determined it's a Wells Gardner K4600.
Title: Re: Taito Ms Pac-Man Rebuild Project
Post by: newtrix on October 31, 2009, 02:39:37 am: OK I vastly improved the worminess by grounding the monitor chassis to the power supply chassis.
Ms Pacman Video Issues (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u17j12mizDE#) I still have a red miss pacman and a droop on the right side.
Title: Re: Taito Ms Pac-Man Rebuild Project
Post by: romshark on October 31, 2009, 01:21:40 pm: This page may be of some help. Miscolored characters are a little over halfway down.

http://www.arcadegameover.com/pactrouble.html (http://www.arcadegameover.com/pactrouble.html)
Title: Re: Taito Ms Pac-Man Rebuild Project
Post by: newtrix on October 31, 2009, 05:08:01 pm: Thanks, I'm not sure what that page means though. Does that mean it is a board problem and not a monitor problem? My board is a bootleg. Would the numbers match up.
Title: Re: Taito Ms Pac-Man Rebuild Project
Post by: newtrix on November 06, 2009, 12:04:37 am: Bob Roberts suggests I check the voltage at the board so i'll do that when I get back from my vacation.
Title: Re: Taito Ms Pac-Man Rebuild Project
Post by: newtrix on November 09, 2009, 12:34:57 am: Great News! i just got back from my vacation and began investigating the possibility of making a PSOne Bench Monitor and in doing so unplugged the RGB Cable from the WG4600 daughter card and when I plugged it back in all the colors were correct. Amazingly I did'nt cause extra damage trying to fix it despite resocketing most of the chips. At this point I'm going to button it up and not mess with it since it is working now. Thanks to Bob Roberts for his suggestion. Seems the Power supply is exactly 5 volts so that did'nt fix it, but as long as its working now I'm happy.
Title: Re: Taito Ms Pac-Man Rebuild Project
Post by: newtrix on November 10, 2009, 12:00:19 am: Okay so I got my CP parts and did an initial assembly. I covered the CP with some sign making vinyl I got at fastsigns, intending to put the Factory Namco overlay on top of it, but I'm unhappy with the results. The lightweight vinyl bubbled awfully. Now I don't know which direction to go with it. the Vinyl is a good idea, but this material is too difficult to work with and it shows minor blems in the CP right through it. I need ideas Im fresh out. This parts express vinyl http://www.parts-express.com/pe/showdetl.cfm?Partnumber=260-760, (http://www.parts-express.com/pe/showdetl.cfm?Partnumber=260-760,) Would this be good. Even if I need to put another sticker on top of it? (http://i176.photobucket.com/albums/w186/newtrix_photos/DSCN0022-1.jpg) Just took a picture, and it looks somewhat better now, but still I think I need a thicker vinyl.
Title: Re: Taito Ms Pac-Man Rebuild Project
Post by: newtrix on November 11, 2009, 12:28:04 am: Tore the CP back apart. More Bondo, Gonna try Paint. Fitted my new bezel from pbandjindustries http://www.pbandjindustries.com/plasticmonitorbezelforarcadegame-19and20.aspx (http://www.pbandjindustries.com/plasticmonitorbezelforarcadegame-19and20.aspx) (http://i176.photobucket.com/albums/w186/newtrix_photos/DSCN0024-1.jpg) Never heard of them, but smooth transaction and great bezel. Video of fixed Monitor issue. Ms Pacman is Yellow Again :) Ms Pacman Fixed (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DC3K8Yn0D2w#)
Title: Re: Taito Ms Pac-Man Rebuild Project
Post by: newtrix on November 11, 2009, 11:14:41 pm: Went with paint for the CP which is what I should have done from the start. (http://i176.photobucket.com/albums/w186/newtrix_photos/DSCN0035.jpg)
Title: Re: Taito Ms Pac-Man Rebuild Project
Post by: newtrix on November 12, 2009, 08:41:35 pm: Had the bezel printed at FedEx (Kinkos) today. No questions asked.
(http://i176.photobucket.com/albums/w186/newtrix_photos/DSCN0036.jpg)
Title: Re: Taito Ms Pac-Man Rebuild Project
Post by: newtrix on November 13, 2009, 02:37:49 am: Just about finished. Need to install switches and front panel graphic and last minute touch up and it will be done.
(http://i176.photobucket.com/albums/w186/newtrix_photos/DSCN0037.jpg)
(http://i176.photobucket.com/albums/w186/newtrix_photos/DSCN0038.jpg)
(http://i176.photobucket.com/albums/w186/newtrix_photos/DSCN0040.jpg)
(http://i176.photobucket.com/albums/w186/newtrix_photos/DSCN0041.jpg)
Title: Re: Taito Ms Pac-Man Rebuild Project
Post by: opt2not on November 13, 2009, 02:38:38 am: Lookin' good! :applaud:
Title: Re: Taito Ms Pac-Man Almost Finished!!
Post by: newtrix on November 14, 2009, 12:30:11 am: (http://i176.photobucket.com/albums/w186/newtrix_photos/DSCN0044.jpg)
(http://i176.photobucket.com/albums/w186/newtrix_photos/DSCN0043.jpg)
(http://i176.photobucket.com/albums/w186/newtrix_photos/DSCN0042.jpg)

Finished!