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Main => Everything Else => Topic started by: MK3FAN on August 30, 2008, 10:02:10 pm
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I thought this video would be kinda cool as I have never seen one quite like it. I am a big fan of MK and an even bigger fan of 'Tallica. So here is the best of both worlds....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=py8rj0dqiiA
Off topic, but I mentioned above that I am a big MetallicA fan, so here is a video of me playing "Enter Sandman" from the S&M Album.....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mTekfZoXTN4
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Very nice drumming MK3Fan
I'm looking forward to Death Magnetic...two weeks to go! Recently been jamming to my other favorite band, Motley Crue and their new release Saints of Los Angeles. I also hear GNR might put something out...although is it still gnr...I dunno? All in all a good year for myself with these albums coming out. Thanks for posting!
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Very nice drumming MK3Fan
I'm looking forward to Death Magnetic...two weeks to go! Recently been jamming to my other favorite band, Motley Crue and their new release Saints of Los Angeles. I also hear GNR might put something out...although is it still gnr...I dunno? All in all a good year for myself with these albums coming out. Thanks for posting!
Sure! Thanks for your kind words.
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I think Motley Crue already has the better album with (Saints of Los Angeles)
I heard the New Metallica song the other day, Not too impressive. :(
There just isn't anything like the Old Metallica!
Long live KILL'EM ALL, LIGHTNING, PUPPETS and JUSTICE ! :notworthy:
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I think Motley Crue already has the better album with (Saints of Los Angeles)
I heard the New Metallica song the other day, Not too impressive. :(
There just isn't anything like the Old Metallica!
Long live KILL'EM ALL, LIGHTNING, PUPPETS and JUSTICE ! :notworthy:
I agree in a sense, but I'll always respect them no matter what they do. Kirk was quoted as saying that Death Magnetic is a lot like ...Justice in that it's just as powerful in arrangement, and harmony. Plus, I can't base whether or not I am going to like an album purely on one song. By the way, you guys know that there is going to be an "Unforgiven III" on the new album?
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I agree in a sense, but I'll always respect them no matter what they do. Kirk was quoted as saying that Death Magnetic is a lot like ...Justice in that it's just as powerful in arrangement, and harmony. Plus, I can't base whether or not I am going to like an album purely on one song. By the way, you guys know that there is going to be an "Unforgiven III" on the new album?
I hadn't heard that but I was pretty stoked about the new album anyway. Now, I can hardly wait. :applaud:
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you guys know that there is going to be an "Unforgiven III" on the new album?
Yes i have heard that, I am anxious to hear that.
As i like the other 2 versions.
I know you can't judge a whole album by one song of course.
But you think they would want to make a good impression?
Like when i heard the CRUE song (Saints of L.A.) on the radio i was like WOW!
I heard the new METALLICA song, And i was like? Well it got better towards the end.
You know what i mean?
But i do very much like both bands.
I grew up with both in the 80's.
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I haven't listened to Crue since Dr Feelgood, and even that album bored me. I was more into them during the Shout at the Devil days.
Metallica hasn't impressed me since Justice (though Garage Inc gets a lot of play). I hated the black album when it came out, but over the years, it has grown on me (mainly because everything after that was such crap).
What I've seen and heard from Death Magnetic so far gives me hope, but they've let me down so many times in the recent past, that I'm taking a "wait and see" approach.
For now, though...UP THE IRONS!
(http://digilander.libero.it/theironmaiden/TheTrooper_Home.jpg)
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What kind of monitor are you using in your MK3 machine? Is that mame MK3?
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For now, though...UP THE IRONS!
Seems like every band has a DYNASTY run!
I love IRON MAIDEN! :notworthy:
But let's face it?
SOMEWHERE IN TIME or SEVENTH SON OF A SEVENTH SON was the end of that Dynasty. :(
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I threw up a little inside my mouth from seeing that crappy video. If your gona
play Justice as it should be heard and remembered... it should be played with the
original crew, and at the time when Hetfeild actually sounds good. After he changed
his singing style... hes stunk up the bands sound bigtime.
Metallica was great before the Black Album. The Black album was soso... and then
they turned to Metallicrap.
Stupid me... I actually bought 'Load' without listening first. Never again.
All of what Ive heard after the black.. wouldnt even get an up an comming band
noticed. Its really that crappy.
Now... on the other hand... I had been starting to get into MegaDeth... and these
guys have put out some Great material on their RECENT albums.
I admit... that I didnt get into them in the early days. I particularly didnt care for
Daves high-midrangy voice. However, it would seem that was just an issue with
bad EQ work. On albums like Countdown... his voice is F/N killer :D Its one
of my favs actually. Not so much for the well known titles on it... but for songs like
"Sweating Bullets" "High Speed Dirt" and more. It pretty much stomps Metallica's
feeble efforts. Listening to Dave's voice EQ'd properly.. .and its superior by leaps and bounds compared with Hetfeilds voice. Dave has so much more Personality in his singing. More range too.
I also started to listen to their past material. I have to say... songs like
"Holy Wars" "Tornado Of Souls" "Five Magics" Are just insane! :D Their Solos are
much more pleasing to the ears. The ever changing rhythm guitar is much complex
and varied. The drum work is amazing too.
Go back even further to "The Conjuring" and "Wake up the Dead"
have some of the most Luscious guitar work. Kirks solos are "ehh". They fit... but they
do not really inspire much. Where as these... you really look forward to hearing them.
Again... going to the present.. Check out a song like " Amerikhastan" and see
how much more tail it kicks than anything recent put out by Over_The_Hill_Ica.
A few funny things... are how they are trying to put out yet another version of
Unforgivin. Beating a dead horse dry! lol Its so pathetic that it makes the head
hurt even contemplating it.
Also funny is the Title "Death Magnetic". Almost as bad as Load. What the
heck does magnetism have to do with death?! Crappy concepts. Crappy songs.
Want further proof on how washed up and talentless they have become? Watch
their own documentary "Some Kind of Monster". Watching them fumble in the
studio trying so hard to make ANYTHING is a real joke.
Everything that was played sounded extremely lame. All the ideas were based
around what was done in the past, rather than what would sound good... or any
meaningful purpose...
The only reason they get away with it... is because of the past works.. and the
large bankroll they have.
I USED to Love them... but now... they are simply depressingly awful.
Time to hang up those Guitars. Metallica is no more.
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Metallica died with Cliff, and To Live Is To Die underlined it.
Hetfield sounds great as a baritone. He just needs to use it right.
Of course, there's metal (like Preist and Maiden), and then there's METAL - which died in any case in the 90s.
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Just thought Id post this Awesome Soundcheck vid:
(turn up your Bass :) )
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KVV-HU0BM-Y[/youtube]
Great song from Count Down:
[youtube]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GW1_PGKGpSQ[/youtube]
Here is a Live performance of one of Megadeth's newest albums songs
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p4Iu_9cihwc&feature=related[/youtube]
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I USED to Love them... but now... they are simply depressingly awful.
Time to hang up those Guitars. Metallica is no more.
I am sorry you feel that way. You have to go with the flow when bands change their sound or their direction. Who the hell wants to listen the the same album recorded 10 different times? If you don't change, you die. Look at it from James' point of view. He's go so many ideas and riffs in his head, he has to get them all out and they are not going to please everyone all the time.
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Listening to Dave's voice EQ'd properly.. .and its superior by leaps and bounds compared with Hetfeilds voice. Dave has so much more Personality in his singing. More range too.
I agree with you! Very much so, On most of your METALLICA thoughts.
Also love MEGADETH. Rust in Peace was such an awesome album!
I do like Dave's voice! But have you ever noticed?
That he also sounds alot like STEPHEN PEARCY from RATT?
If you don't believe me? Give some RATT a spin!
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Oh hell yeah, Rust in Peace is one of my top favorite metal albums ever. Marty Friedman FTW!
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Long live KILL'EM ALL, LIGHTNING, PUPPETS and JUSTICE
X2 :notworthy:
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Also funny is the Title "Death Magnetic". Almost as bad as Load. What the
heck does magnetism have to do with death?! Crappy concepts. Crappy songs.
Here is what it means....
On July 16, 2008 (2008-07-16), James Hetfield commented on the album's title:
“ Death Magnetic, at least the title, to me [...] started out as kind of a tribute to people that have fallen in our business, like Layne Staley and a lot of the people that have died, basically — rock and roll martyrs of sorts. And then it kind of grew from there, thinking about death… some people are drawn towards it, and just like a magnet, [and] other people are afraid of it and push away. And the concept that we're all gonna die sometimes is over-talked about and then a lot of times never talked about — no one wants to bring it up; it's the big white elephant in the living room. But we all have to deal with it at some point.[4] ”
Also, somehow this turned into a 'Tallica bashing thread. I started it to show off what I thought was a cool concept with the video on the Mame cab. I don't think it needs to go any further. If you wanna talk about how crappy 'Tallica has become, please start another thread.
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Oh, I'm sorry, didn't realize this was the "Everyone agrees with you" thread.
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Yeah, I love everything from Kill Em All to Justice, but I've burned myself out on those albums over the past 20+ years.
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Mustaine and Hetfield offer (or, rather, offered) different things. Both of them are down and out, now.
“ Death Magnetic, at least the title, to me [...] started out as kind of a tribute to people that have fallen in our business, like Layne Staley and a lot of the people that have died, basically — rock and roll martyrs of sorts. And then it kind of grew from there, thinking about death… some people are drawn towards it, and just like a magnet, [and] other people are afraid of it and push away. And the concept that we're all gonna die sometimes is over-talked about and then a lot of times never talked about — no one wants to bring it up; it's the big white elephant in the living room. But we all have to deal with it at some point.[4] ”
First off, since when did metal (let alone METAL) become rock? I hear it coming......LAME.
Second, that's just it, the lyrical content hasn't changed. It's the same juvenile stuff. More so, in ways.
Lastly, band loyalty is retarded. They either play remarkable music, or they don't. And they haven't for a long time. Pantera succeded them. (For two albums.) Sepultura succeded them. (For an album, anyway.) Then there was death metal. Then it died, too. So be it.
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I liked Load, mainly because I was too young to get into Metallica's early stuff. It is most definitely a different sound - a more mature sound - which stands as good work in its own right. I also liked the album they recorded with the orchestra. And yes, their old stuff was great.
I never was a fan of Lars though. He is not a very creative drummer - basically uses the same drum line for every single song. Pretty much any rock or metal band on the national scene had a better drummer than Metallica.
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Pretty much any rock or metal band on the national scene had a better drummer than Metallica.
Yeah,
TOMMY LEE
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Pretty much any rock or metal band on the national scene had a better drummer than Metallica.
Yeah,
TOMMY LEE
Neil Peart still plays, so he's still king.
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Neil Peart still plays, so he's still king.
Till i see him play upside down in a cage.
With Fire blasting on both sides of him.
I'm sticking with MR. LEE ;D
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The new video is up for those who care to see it...
http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&videoid=41722462
Obviously, this video is intended to mean that "The Day That Never Comes" is the day that you get to go home to your family and away from the hell that is war, but that day never comes. Irregardless, I like it. It has deeper meaning for me, mainly because I was in the Navy for 6 years stationed on a Marine Corps base and I am friends with a couple guys who are still over 'there'.
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What is up with James Hetfields,
Yoda lay e who, Style of singing now?
2nd time i heard the song,
I still agree with my first impression of it.
It gets better towards the last half,
The first for me is almost unbearable.
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Yeah, I saw this a few days ago. I hate the first half, but once the drums kick in and the solos start, it's great.
And, yeah Buckethead, I haven't liked James' singing style in a very long time.
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2nd half Great?! Did you listen to the Entire 2nd section?
I admit... there was a glimmer of hope when the 2nd section started up... but
that faded really fast.
Its Mediocre at Best. ( 10,000 extra points for Hetfeild not singing )
Really... Its a train wreck.
Its like there is no direction at all. Just bouts of this and that.. and it doesnt
fit well with each other section. Sorta like putting deli garlic pickles on
ice cream. Separately, they are great... but they just dont fit together.
If anyone tried to put just the ending of this song into a
"battle of the bands" competition... they would come in dead last more than
likely.
Its shocking... that if you look back at their musical only pieces such as "Orion",
... that they could even put together such crap today.
If you like it... more power to ya. There are always those few who find
Ice cream and Pickles a good combination.
However... lets not continue to give these guys false credit. Yes, we applaud their
past work... but be honest... this new stuff is garbage.
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2nd half Great?! Did you listen to the Entire 2nd section?
Nope ;D
I just skipped around a bit because I was at work.
Its shocking... that if you look back at their musical only pieces such as "Orion",
... that they could even put together such crap today.
It's the Cliff factor that's missing. He had the most prog rock influence of any of them.
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Yea, I'm hoping the rest of the album is better than that song. I have faith that it will be.
I've liked pretty much everything (at least for awhile) they have put out since the very beggining. The "Black Album", for example, the first 6-8 times hearing it I thought it was a joke. I thought there would be a hidden album within the album that was going to pop out anytime and say..."HA-HA, you didn't actually think that was IT, DID YOU!?" Well needless to say that never happened. Eventually I learned to like it though, a lot.
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That song really grew on me. I like it now that I've heard it a few times.
My original interpretation of it was that it was about child abuse. :dunno
I've also heard My Apocalypse, which I like. There was one song I really didn't like that I heard months ago. It was live from a concert in Germany. At the time they just referred to it as the new song. The lyric was about death being the beginning, not the end. Did that track make the CD?
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Its shocking... that if you look back at their musical only pieces such as "Orion",
... that they could even put together such crap today.
It's the Cliff factor that's missing. He had the most prog rock influence of any of them.
No such thing in their music. He had a classical sensibility. Prog is different.
That song really grew on me. I like it now that I've heard it a few times.
That's too bad.
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That's too bad.
C'mon man, you pretty much negate your opinion when you say metal died in the 90's. ;)
There are still lots of great straightforward metal bands like The Sword and Mastadon and Iced Earth, and killer highly technical metal bands like Opeth.
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Its shocking... that if you look back at their musical only pieces such as "Orion",
... that they could even put together such crap today.
It's the Cliff factor that's missing. He had the most prog rock influence of any of them.
No such thing in their music. He had a classical sensibility. Prog is different.
Classical and prog go hand in hand. Listen to some Gabriel-era Genesis, ELP, 70s Yes, and 70s Rush (Geddy Lee was a huge influence on Cliff).
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That's too bad.
C'mon man, you pretty much negate your opinion when you say metal died in the 90's. ;)
There are still lots of great straightforward metal bands like The Sword and Mastadon and Iced Earth, and killer highly technical metal bands like Opeth.
Iced Earth started in the late 80s. The were just as bad then. Metal did die in the 90's. Since then, there has been nothing new. It's been a bunch of regurgitation, addition of cheesy major and minor keys (still no real harmony, though), and watering-down by infusion of rock and weaker metal.
This 'technical' thing you mention. It has little meaning.
Its shocking... that if you look back at their musical only pieces such as "Orion",
... that they could even put together such crap today.
It's the Cliff factor that's missing. He had the most prog rock influence of any of them.
No such thing in their music. He had a classical sensibility. Prog is different.
Classical and prog go hand in hand. Listen to some Gabriel-era Genesis, ELP, 70s Yes, and 70s Rush (Geddy Lee was a huge influence on Cliff).
They don't. First off, 'Classical' is an era - approximately 1750-1825. Second, the musical structure - harmony, form, and the relationship between the two - is far different than you understand, and is only slightly if at all utilized in pop culture. Third, Cliff studied classical guitar and hence the literature of the instrument's repertoire is what you hear an influence of in things like the intro to Fight Fire with Fire. Moreover, many of their songs from Lightning and Puppets use a basic sonata form (tonal scheme of A section in major, B section in/modulation to sub-mediant; or tonic in minor and modulation to the mediant - whereas Kill 'Em All was mostly blues/rock-based), which I'm betting is also example of Cliff's guitar experience.
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That's too bad.
C'mon man, you pretty much negate your opinion when you say metal died in the 90's. ;)
There are still lots of great straightforward metal bands like The Sword and Mastadon and Iced Earth, and killer highly technical metal bands like Opeth.
Iced Earth started in the late 80s. The were just as bad then. Metal did die in the 90's. Since then, there has been nothing new. It's been a bunch of regurgitation, addition of cheesy major and minor keys (still no real harmony, though), and watering-down by infusion of rock and weaker metal.
This 'technical' thing you mention. It has little meaning.
Really? Got some youtube vid or you laying down some of their stuff? How about some Meshuggah?
I think you're talkin' out yer butt. ;D
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There are composers and there's the audience. Then there's popculture.
Really? Got some youtube vid or you laying down some of their stuff? How about some Meshuggah?
I think you're talkin' out yer butt. ;D
You're not understanding.
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There are composers and there's the audience. Then there's popculture.
Really? Got some youtube vid or you laying down some of their stuff? How about some Meshuggah?
I think you're talkin' out yer butt. ;D
You're not understanding.
Or you're completely wrong. ;)
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Or you're completely wrong. ;)
Do you want to discuss this?
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Or you're completely wrong. ;)
Do you want to discuss this?
Yes. Clue me in.
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'Technical' is some word made up by electric guitarists to mean whatever they think is difficult and 'progressive'. It's pretty arbitrary. It has little to do with composition, which is independent of instrument or being able to play one. There's very little composition in pop culture music, and even less in metal. Mostly it's just rehashing what others have done in the ways they've done it. This wasn't always so - but even those examples (I've mentioned some) aren't special outside of metal. Changing your tuning doesn't make it new, even it hadn't been done before. Adding a bunch of synth strings isn't new, and isn't special even if it hadn't been done before. Because there's little compositional principle involved. That's what most people don't know about music, and hence don't really know music.
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'Technical' is some word made up by electric guitarists to mean whatever they think is difficult and 'progressive'. It's pretty arbitrary. It has little to do with composition, which is independent of instrument or being able to play one. There's very little composition in pop culture music, and even less in metal. Mostly it's just rehashing what others have done in the ways they've done it. This wasn't always so - but even those examples (I've mentioned some) aren't special outside of metal. Changing your tuning doesn't make it new, even it hadn't been done before. Adding a bunch of synth strings isn't new, and isn't special even if it hadn't been done before. Because there's little compositional principle involved. That's what most people don't know about music, and hence don't really know music.
I've been joking about "read the Wiki" with you, because it aggravated me that you were doing that in forums where people were asking legitimate questions that I felt you couldn't answer.
Here is a link to the Wiki about a band I mentioned... Meshuggah.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meshuggah
I don't actually even like a lot of this bands music, but I can appreciate the things they're doing. Down in the Musical Style section there are links to various things they've done in their compositions, things you gloss over in huge generalities like someone who learned everything they know about music from newspaper record reviews.
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'Technical' is some word made up by electric guitarists to mean whatever they think is difficult and 'progressive'. It's pretty arbitrary. It has little to do with composition, which is independent of instrument or being able to play one. There's very little composition in pop culture music, and even less in metal. Mostly it's just rehashing what others have done in the ways they've done it. This wasn't always so - but even those examples (I've mentioned some) aren't special outside of metal. Changing your tuning doesn't make it new, even it hadn't been done before. Adding a bunch of synth strings isn't new, and isn't special even if it hadn't been done before. Because there's little compositional principle involved. That's what most people don't know about music, and hence don't really know music.
Wow, you're just coming off as pompous. Do you hear yourself?
My use of the term "progressive" was only in reference to the older style of what's called "progressive rock" (Yes, Gabriel-era Genesis, Emerson Lake and Palmer, older Rush, etc). Bands that love odd time signatures, and lean toward classical styles and jazz fusion.
As for "technical" guitarists, I hate bands like Dragonforce that are all technique, no substance.
No reason to treat me like an idiot. (TOK on the other hand...) ;) Just kidding, though I agree that Iced Earth has always been a pretty crappy band. (I've given them TOO many chances to impress me and they've always failed.)
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I used Iced Earth of an example of metal bands that were active in the 90's. I think their first album came out in the early 90's and they were active clear through, so it seemed a good choice.
They are about as straight-forward metal as you can get, something Ummon claimed didn't exist. Metallica may have been lost in the woods for 15 years, but many bands weren't. Slayer was active through the 90's, and bands like Corrosion of Conformity turned from punk influence to straightforward metal in the 90's. Even though Grunge and Alternative pushed metal to the background a bit in the 90's, there are still almost too many bands to mention.
My opinion is that he spoke before he thought, and now finds himself defending an idiotic statement instead of just saying he was mistaken. :dunno
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Metallica = Kill `em All to ...and Justice For All
The Beginning of the End = The Black Album
Selloutica (Bob Rockica) = Load (of ---steaming pile of meadow muffin---) up to just before St. Anger
Nutallica (Tin Canica) = St. Anger (wouldn't have been so bad if Lars snare drum didn't sound like a tin can lid)
Re-Tryica = Death Magnetic
I actually, for the first time in many years, LIKE some of the songs on their new album. I simply could not STAND Load or anything since then... Bob Rock can suck ---my bottom---...dude killed Metallica. NOW, this album has 4 or 5 good tunes...a couple of OK...and some ass. I compare it to The Black Album...maybe even a hair better....at least it is listenable.
If you look on my juke I have EVERY Metallica Album...labeled as above (Metallica, Selloutica, Nutallica...but I did go back to Metallica for Death Magnetic).
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You could even start to hear the cracks in And Justice For All... Lars was trying to be the Lead Drummer. Lots of ticking and other goofy stuff with the drums very up-front in the mix. Since he was also doing some interesting timing changes and stuff I didn't really notice until later stuff came out, then I went back to Justice. Great album, but definite signs of bad things to come.
I totally love one song during their era that I hate... Hero Of The Day is a great song, but Hetfield doesn't have the range to pull it off. He still sounds kind of corny on some of the Death Magnetic stuff too. He's trying something harder, but sounds kind of funny doing it.
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Ginsu, there are conditions of quality. If it's a TV or something, then people are okay with that. But if it's something like music, then nope that's not cool. They like it so it just must be good. As well, there are things that explain music and can explain all music in pop culture. Pop culture doesn't even have anything that can explain its own music, let alone determine quality.
No, those bands aren't leaning towards classical 'style', as I mentioned. Yes on jazz fusion, but jazz is essentially a pop culture music so big deal. There's all kinds of stuff in jazz with ridiculous names that weren't new when they came out in it and weren't really a big deal anyway.
TOK, I've read up on Meshuggah (though I have the tools to understand what they're doing just by listening). They're not doing anything remarkable. Decades ago, composers like Phillip Glass were doing monophonic or parallel voiced repetitive lines that changed - but it was all within the bar line, which makes for very harsh rhythmic changes. Beyond this, there is no polyphony, no harmony in Meshuggah. There's little polyphony/harmony in most metal - and parallel thirds, fourths, and fifths don't count. As well, there's little syncopation, most of the meters (not times Ginsu - time is tempo) are 4/4, and in any case the bar line is a draconian boundary in this music - in most music in pop culture.
The best you're going to find is Cynic's Focus ('94) - and maybe their new stuff, which hasn't been released yet.
Oh, wait....Watchtower actually had some polyphonic, contrapuntal stuff. Kinda weak, particularly metal-wise, but definitely thought-out. And Atheist had some brief stuff on Unquestionable Presence.
Slayer: lame after Seasons of the Abyss. This is not any comment about the absence of Lombardo. They just played out their gig.
CoC: for those who didn't like their earlier stuff, Blind was great, and then they wanked into mainstream.
After Metallica's black album, a lot of bands followed suit - Testament, Megadeth, Sacred Reich, Anthrax after Persistance of Time - through about '95. (Even Pantera's Far Beyond Driven was a mix.) Even death metal was reaching a peak by Carcass' Heartwork, and really the death knell was Suffocation's Pierced from Within. You couldn't get any heavier, and nobody did anything smarter. Still haven't. There is a recent band Alaska whose members can read music and they score their pieces - but they're not composers and their pieces are generally monophonic and simplistic.
On the wiki thing: I felt they were asking questions pretty basic questions. If you want to nursemaid them, fine. I was merely indicating they had a resource other than you.
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You could even start to hear the cracks in And Justice For All... Lars was trying to be the Lead Drummer. Lots of ticking and other goofy stuff with the drums very up-front in the mix. Since he was also doing some interesting timing changes and stuff I didn't really notice until later stuff came out, then I went back to Justice. Great album, but definite signs of bad things to come.
I totally love one song during their era that I hate... Hero Of The Day is a great song, but Hetfield doesn't have the range to pull it off. He still sounds kind of corny on some of the Death Magnetic stuff too. He's trying something harder, but sounds kind of funny doing it.
Lars admits in the 1992 issue of Modern Drummer he was in, that he recorded "Justice" in sections because most of the songs were too hard to play all the way through. You can actually hear where the reels were spliced together from the different sections he recorded while listening to the album. There's a great example on "to live is to die".
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I used to really love Metallica but Load killed it for me.. I've seen them live during the St Anger tour and was not impressed. Recently I saw Megadeth in ATL for the Gigantour.. HOLY HELL.. They rocked ass! What's crazy is that Mustaine is the only original member but they sounded PERFECT.. I was really sceptical about the new guitarist but he nailed all of Marty's solos from Rust in Peace. Truely amazing.
Chris Broderick
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6jBJUUogVyU[/youtube]
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Nice vid. He nailed Marty's solo. Rust in Peace is still one of my favorite metal albums ever.
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Nice vid. He nailed Marty's solo. Rust in Peace is still one of my favorite metal albums ever.
look up Chris Broderick on youtube.. The guy is ridiculous! I love Marty Friedman but from what I hear he was the "Lars" of Megadeth.. He was partly to blame for the more pop sounding Megadeth stuff after Cryptic Writtings... Thank God Dave went back to his roots of System has Failed and United Abominations... I really would like to see Metallica do that but I don't think it will ever happen. My Hetfield should do like Mustaine and just fire everybody ;)
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I've seen Megadeth twice... They're kind of funny in that they actually seem to play even faster live. Its very noticeable in a (relatively) slower song like Holy Wars. They fly through the intro live.
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Lars admits in the 1992 issue of Modern Drummer he was in, that he recorded "Justice" in sections because most of the songs were too hard to play all the way through. You can actually hear where the reels were spliced together from the different sections he recorded while listening to the album. There's a great example on "to live is to die".
Richard Christy, the ex-drummer of Iced Earth is on the Howard Stern show. They were talking about Death Magnetic today, and Richard mentioned Justice being the pinnacle of Lars' drumming and about how he probably couldn't do it now that he's a bit older. Richard said he couldn't do some of the things he used to either. He mentioned Dyers Eve, but I wonder if he knows about the splicing for To Live Is To Die... I'd imagine so.
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All bands play faster live, though the Megadeth above is only slightly faster.
And I think Broderick was off at some points. For example, right at :46 he goes slightly too high. And of course there are some very slight rhythmic differences which vary over the solo. Which is fine, no reason he should do it exactly the same. Marty didn't.
Lars was never a great drummer, something I could tell as a teenager before I played any music, but he had some good stuff. Hell, there are guitar riffs on songs of both Lightning and Puppets that I thought were weak at the time. They seem to be little Hetfield signatures, and in later years I've thought of various alternatives.
Neil Pert can do still do his stuff. Gene Hoglan was ALWAYS a mountain of fat and yet he could do incredible paradidles (not sure that's spelled right) with his kick drums alone. Sean Reinert of Cynic is in his early 40s and he was easily up there with just about anyone in metal (except maybe in outright kick drum speed as compared to maybe Hoglan and especially that dude who was in Morbid Angel through the 90s who was a MACHINE) back on Death's Human.
Some samples of Reinert:
Lack of Comprehension from Human (unfortunately, the lack of fidelity of Youtube precludes hearing all of Reinert's tasty cymbal work) :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=euHMldrw4fw
(Chuck was a neat guy, but a problem he had was he only knew one scale - the double harmonic - and nearly always ended on the 'tonic' of it, which gets old real quick.)
And, a few years later in Cynic (takes a bit to come in) :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NvlTtnY4-qA
And, for something really different (for guitar, even, though originally classical guitar) :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FpWyFSBX7-Y
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Neil Peart and Gene Hoglan FTW! Admittedly, I'm only familiar with Gene's Dethklok work. I'd love to hear more from him.
Lars has never impressed me, despite being a huge fan of Metallica in the 80s.
I've got one word for Lars:
Lombardo.
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Lombardo.
SUCKS!
j/k:P
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PtdWi_UdHZs[/youtube]
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Nice vid. He nailed Marty's solo. Rust in Peace is still one of my favorite metal albums ever.
look up Chris Broderick on youtube.. The guy is ridiculous! I love Marty Friedman but from what I hear he was the "Lars" of Megadeth.. He was partly to blame for the more pop sounding Megadeth stuff after Cryptic Writtings... Thank God Dave went back to his roots of System has Failed and United Abominations... I really would like to see Metallica do that but I don't think it will ever happen. My Hetfield should do like Mustaine and just fire everybody ;)
That doesnt make any sense at all.
Lars was never anything special as fas as drumming goes. Justice was just about the
only decent work... and that was pieced together.
As for Marty, his stuff is top notch. Ive even heard some of his Solo career stuff,
and its still amazing. Not many are in his league.
Chris may have let out some decent playing... however... How good is he at making
ORIGINAL Material??? That is what scares me. There are a ton of talented PLAYERS,
but they suck bigtime when they try to create their own material.
Martys solos were always excellent. Where as others Ive heard, are good at one part
of the solo, then the next part is like "ehh" .
Glen Drover had some nice stuff... however, he kept getting the older material all
wrong when playing live. Ugg.
And Actually, Hetfield should be thrown out. His voice Stinks now. If you take out
him in the new stuff, it might actually be bearable.
As for the Death Metal... you can have it. I cant stand the singers who merely
Scream monotone roars. Lyrics? If there was any, you would never be able to
make them out. Ruins the sound of the entire band.
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Nice vid. He nailed Marty's solo. Rust in Peace is still one of my favorite metal albums ever.
look up Chris Broderick on youtube.. The guy is ridiculous! I love Marty Friedman but from what I hear he was the "Lars" of Megadeth.. He was partly to blame for the more pop sounding Megadeth stuff after Cryptic Writtings... Thank God Dave went back to his roots of System has Failed and United Abominations... I really would like to see Metallica do that but I don't think it will ever happen. My Hetfield should do like Mustaine and just fire everybody ;)
That doesnt make any sense at all.
Lars was never anything special as fas as drumming goes. Justice was just about the
only decent work... and that was pieced together.
As for Marty, his stuff is top notch. Ive even heard some of his Solo career stuff,
and its still amazing. Not many are in his league.
Chris may have let out some decent playing... however... How good is he at making
ORIGINAL Material??? That is what scares me. There are a ton of talented PLAYERS,
but they suck bigtime when they try to create their own material.
Martys solos were always excellent. Where as others Ive heard, are good at one part
of the solo, then the next part is like "ehh" .
Glen Drover had some nice stuff... however, he kept getting the older material all
wrong when playing live. Ugg.
Marty is excellent.. both technically and creatively.. I have some of his solo stuff as well.. both the "neo-classical" and the departures from that like "Scenes" When I say he was the "Lars" of the band I mean as far as his influence on trying to change the way Megadeth sounded. I heard that he was partly to blame for trying to push Megadeth in a different direction because he was "tired of playing metal". This may or may not be true...BUT
They began their world tour in support of Risk in September 1999, playing alongside Iron Maiden during the European leg. Three months into the tour, longtime guitarist Marty Friedman announced that he would be leaving the band,[5] citing musical differences. As Mustaine later explained: "I told (Marty) after Risk that we had to go back to our roots and play metal, and he quit".[
BTW, Risk sucked donkey nuts.. as a Megadeth fan I just pretend it never happened... Sort of like Indiana Jones 4 and Transformers... but that's a WHOLE other can of worms there ;)
As far as Chris Broderick goes.. I know what you mean. Technically he is capable but will his style fit? I've listen to some of his stuff from Nevermore and its nothing like Megadeth but I think Broderick is capable of adapting to different styles he seems very well rounds.
Metal.. Jazz.. Classical.. or this:
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zl3g8seYy74[/youtube]
(you'll have to cut and paste it.. It wouldn't embed..)
watch?v=zl3g8seYy74
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As for the Death Metal... you can have it. I cant stand the singers who merely
Scream monotone roars. Lyrics? If there was any, you would never be able to
make them out. Ruins the sound of the entire band.
Many people have a hard time with timbres that aren't specifically pitched or pitched in a familiar way. Gutteral vocal styles are actually so harmonically rich - which white noise is ultimately harmonically rich and why it seems unintelligible - they easily fit in this category. You can't discern the lyrics, but others can. Hell, there are still rock lyrics from the 70s and 80s I can't totally make out due to their enunciation.
Drummers are almost totally dependent on the music of the other instruments - in this case guitar, though occasionally the bass can be a factor (the latter much more so in rock and such). The simpler the rhythm, the easier they have it, but that also can mean less interesting textures.
Lombardo and Hoglan have chops and they've put in some good stuff in some of the situations they've played, but they're pretty straight-forward players. 4/4 with accents and pretty predictable changes. I was actually pretty impressed with Lombardo on Seasons because you could tell he was expanding. Some good syncopations and unexpected accents. (Hell, Slayer impressed me in general with a sort of 'artsy' style for them and for metal. And then they lost it or something.)
Lars is in this category and he did some good stuff back in the day. Justice was actually boring. His attempts at odd fills and accompaniments just floundered, and then he tried to make up for it with double-kick stuff. Plus his toms sounded weak.
In came Pantera (Cowboys and Vulgar Display) and Sepultura (Arise), especially production-wise. Both of them had killer drum timbres, the toms in particular sounding tough as hell, crisp and defined, and not just like a wooden tom. On that note, Obituary's drummer's snare on World Demise was like a deep marching snare, just blowing your head off without at all clouding the mix. Anyways, both Vinnie and Igor brought new stuff to metal. Especially Igor in Arise. That album wouldn't be epic without the stuff he put on there.
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As for Marty, his stuff is top notch. Ive even heard some of his Solo career stuff,
and its still amazing. Not many are in his league.
Martys solos were always excellent.
Marty and Jason Becker get me through my work day.
If you've never heard Marty's album Dragon's Kiss, you must! One of my favorite guitar albums and Jason's all over it.
Oh, and Ummon, Vinnie's drums make the drive home from work much better. Nice way to get that aggression out. I'm always drumming along on the steering wheel. :)
And for Lombardo, yeah, Seasons is my favorite Slayer album because of him.
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Speaking of drummers, how about some Mike Portnoy?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NBurolexuvI
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That was bad ass! That "By Demons Be Driven" part was sweet! I wonder if that was a tribute to Vinnie Paul or trying to one-up him? lol btw, They arent metal drummers but I always loved Sean Kinney,Chad Smith and Danny Carey of course...
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That was bad ass! That "By Demons Be Driven" part was sweet! I wonder if that was a tribute to Vinnie Paul or trying to one-up him?
Dream Theater do a LOT of covers live, including full albums. I have a bootleg of them doing the complete Master of Puppets. They've also done Number of the Beast, Dark Side of the Moon, and several others.
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Dream Theatre has nothing of interest to me, in any way. Lots of chops, little compositional ability, and rock-oriented. No.
Incidentally, notice at about 2:04 Portnoy sorta stutters on his kick blast. Another thing: take that scene just after 2:04 - people think that's bad or something. Everyone's playing the same thing. Besides being boring, and what they're playing is boring as well, he's not doing anything that is musically interesting. But it's sorta quick so that means it's bad.
Here's some real percussion music and expertise. By the way, all of this is strictly scored. If I remember correctly, the various parts have different meters...and perhaps tempi...simultaneously, throughout the piece.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a9mg4KHqRPw
Or, for something a bit different but still in the realm of percussion:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IBw69O1qbro
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I never said that the Portnoy video was the be-all, end-all of drumming vids. He has several that are better, and he isn't one of the greatest, but he is damn good at what he does.
Also, I'm not a huge Dream Theater fan. I like some of their work, but they mostly bore me. I prefer Symphony X over them.
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I prefer Symphony X over them.
Hm. Chops, but I don't hear much if anything really new in there. Vocalist kinda reminds me of Dio. Some of the guitar stuff is older metal-like.
Here's a Texas band, sort of nu rock/metal, that is pretty tasty (well, their first album; their new stuff blows) :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YORkPAQCIN0
Lame video, though. I hate videos.
Here's another one. Total one-hit wonder, but very tasty, especially the vocalist. This is what Creed should've sounded like :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Xdc6fEhoH4
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I prefer Symphony X over them.
Hm. Chops, but I don't hear much if anything really new in there.
Jeez. Does everything HAVE to be the most musically superior thing out there in order to like it? Again, never said they were the greatest, just that I like them more than Dream Theater.
No reason for you over-analyze everything we say about music.
I like Michael Romeo's guitar playing.
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Heh. Short answer: pretty much.
Long answer: For me to like it, it has to have certain things at least within the genre, or something that out-grows it. Always has beenthis way for me. Let's say a contemporary composer wants to compose a work in a 'classical' style. Well, that's fine and good - except for two things: that era was covered very thoroughly (not just by the historical greats, but many amateur composers as well); and given it's relatively contained harmonic language and all, combined with the aspiring composer not having lived through the era, it will be difficult to create something unique and remarkable.
I hardly ever listen to Beethoven or Mozart, but arguably there's enough there to keep one entertained without need for more of the same. There was a neo-classical movement in the early twentieth that had some novelty. Actually, much of John Williams' music is a sort of hack off this 'style', though more constrained because it's incidental music for movies, whereas the original neo-classical music was 'solo'.
Sure, when I started playing and 'writing' for electric guitar, it was your basic derivative metal. But after learning some things about music, while wanting to keep (at least some aspects of) the timbre I had, I started using those things I learned to go beyond metal. I'll see if I can work up some examples if you're interested.
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I'm interested, mainly because I didn't find anything distinctive or interesting about that Eyes Wired Shut song. Definitely not in a way that they'd compare favorably to Dream Theater. Seemed like another forgettable 3 Days Grace/Chevelle/3 Doors Down/Fuel snoozer (the other video said No Longer Available when I tried to play it).
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No no, Edgewater isn't comparable to Dream Theater. The Cynic vid I posted is, about as much as one can, cos DT is in that silly power metal genre that's all the same. Edgewater's first album is somewhat like some radio stuff. The thing is they did it better. I especially like the drumming because it's busier than radio stuff, but not claiming or trying to claim attention.
Incidentally, I don't really enjoy percussion music. The durations of the timbers are too short so it just seems like a bunch of successive sounds. Even that xylophone or whatever clip I posted above I'm not that hot on because, though it is pitched and it has a damper pedal, the 'keys' can't be held down like with a piano, so counterpoint is difficult to bring out. Not that the resonance of the timbre helps any, either. I enjoy percussion a lot if it's used in balance in an ensemble work of mainly pitched instruments, or drumming in a band.
Oh, I forgot to mention that synth sounds, while sounding gay in general, don't mix with high gain guitar, and I think are best used in contrasting sections rather than at the same time.
I'd post something, but I can't find a service that just STREAMS files. Do you know of one?
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Hey, TOK, if you're still interested here's an old one. NOT a professional recording, but I did it all myself, direct to the board. (Also, you'll have to download it as I couldn't find a way to stream it.)
http://www.mediafire.com/?tomumnrovfg
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Pretty cool. Is that the same guitar for both tracks?
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Thanks. Yeah, although the middle guitar in those brief spots was using the neck pickup, I think. All of them were eq'd a little differently to stand out from each other but I was/am really ignorant about how to really do that. Plus I have this issue with high gain fizzle so I put a big high end cut on each track, which is why it sounds muffled. Lots of mids, but not enough definition. Also, I didn't use a metronome or click track. I did once and just couldn't get with it. I do better with my own timing and my tracks sync better that way, though they could be better still.
Here's another one from around the same time:
http://www.mediafire.com/?bjmztydzczi