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Main => Everything Else => Topic started by: hulkster on August 08, 2007, 10:51:05 am
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man, im really posting a lot in this forum about changing stuff around. sorry, but you know how it is. ::)
anyway, heres the deal....ive got cable right now and im paying about $35 a month or so and im getting some digital channels and about 4 or 5 hd channels. i have only one hdtv, and the rest (2 other tvs) are SD. i also have tivo series 2 that sucks on my hdtv because its analog and looks like crap on my hdtv.
okay, so yesterday i was attempting to call comcast to get a better deal by saying "hey i can get all this cheaper with satellite, what are you going to do about it". so i started looking up directtv and dish network stuff and i was enticed :-)
so heres what i want, let me know if it will be worth it:
1. hd programming on my hdtv, with a dvr to replace my tivo
2. plain old digital signals with no dvr (unless its free) for my other tvs.
3. the only extra channels i care about are the soccer channels (fox soccer, mls package, etc.)
keep in mind, that i really dont want to spend more than $45-50 a month. the soccer channels are extra and not a necessity but it would be nice. i just want to make sure that if i switch (giving myself better signals in video and audio) that i will be getting what ive got now for around the same price so my wife wont have a cow. any suggestions?
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First off..
maybe you should ask at the AVS forum since your not going to believe what I'm going to say anyhow.
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I'm glutton for punishment so I'll comment. Your not going to be able to land in the $45 - $50 range and expect to have HD and DVR. Satellite charges you for stuff that cable companies give you for free or cheap, and they lock you into contracts and penalize you if you want to upgrade your service later. I've stayed with cable for this reason.
Your best bet is to get an HD antenna to get a few more local HD channels.
From what I can tell - your price expectations are out of whack with what the charges are.
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He could get it short term in a package deal - installation, setup, 6 months at price X. They do that all the time for new users.
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First off..
maybe you should ask at the AVS forum since your not going to believe what I'm going to say anyhow.
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I'm glutton for punishment so I'll comment. Your not going to be able to land in the $45 - $50 range and expect to have HD and DVR. Satellite charges you for stuff that cable companies give you for free or cheap, and they lock you into contracts and penalize you if you want to upgrade your service later. I've stayed with cable for this reason.
Your best bet is to get an HD antenna to get a few more local HD channels.
From what I can tell - your price expectations are out of whack with what the charges are.
What you talkin' bout Willis? I've had satelitte for years - almost since they offered the 18" dishes, and while lew is right about your expectations being low for DVR and HD... the free and cheap stuff, and especially the upgrade your service is just straight up wrong. Yes, they lock you into a 1 year agreement, however do you plan on NOT watching TV before a year is up? That agreement is just so they get back the money they invested in all that FREE equipment they just gave you. Yes, I said FREE. I recently passed on an offer to get HD and a FREE HD DVR through my satellite provider, only because I don't have HD... The only charge I would have to pay was an additional $5 or so a month for the service...
Hey lew, since I've had satellite tv, my bill has gone up $7 in the last 8 years. Can you say the same for your cable bill?
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If he goes to satellite has has to give up Tivo... that much is certain. DirecTV does not offer an HD Tivo and the few that did make it out there are pricey on ebay.
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true i do have to give up tivo if i switch, but my tivo sucks right now and upgrading to the new tivo is around $500 in total costs. so instead of doing that for one tv, i could change to satellite and get a bunch of stuff free.
however, i just talked to a couple people who complained about satellite because if there is bad weather, the picture just goes blue all of a sudden. that may not happen with everyone, but i heard several different accounts in different parts of where i live voicing the same thing.
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Erm, yeah, depending on your installation.
I had cable for several years before going to DirecTV. I have had far less outages for DirecTV than I ever had with cable. I get a strong signal even in MA snowstorms. The only thing that has ever affected my signal was wind (it knocked the dish out of alignment).
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Erm, yeah, depending on your installation.
I had cable for several years before going to DirecTV. I have had far less outages for DirecTV than I ever had with cable. I get a strong signal even in MA snowstorms. The only thing that has ever affected my signal was wind (it knocked the dish out of alignment).
and im guessing there isnt a way to tell whether or not the signal will be bad other than to have someone install it right?
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Hard to say simply because even someone with great line of sight can get a crappy signal if their dish is set up badly. And you may have things like trees that your neighbors won't have. A DirecTV installer isn't going to work it to get the best possible signal strenght. They'll get it pretty good and that's about it. My signal strength went up substantially after that wind incident because I aligned the dish far better than the original installer had bothered to do.
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They can bring a meter to your location to test the signal. But yeah - to echo Chad's statement, my satellite hardly ever goes out. The cable ads saying you lose your signal all the time is b.s. If it's installed correctly, and mounted properly, it should work just fine for you. I got a great chance to bust on a next door neighbor about 6 months ago - he was always ragging on me about my dish, and the fact that it must go out all the time. Blah, blah...
Well - I really rubbed it in his nose when a moving truck backed out of a driveway down the road, and took out the pole where the cable lines were mounted: it took out the whole street's cable and internet. There were a bunch of people watching the aftermath, and I got to turn to him and say, yep - time for me to go in and watch my tv show... shame your "reliable" cable isn't working now...
;D
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Depending where you are located... go to the spot on your house where you want the dish. Look up in the direction of Texas. Is there anything in the way?
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well apparently my cable bill isnt as cheap as i thought. its $49.99 and its a basic cable package but since its "digital" now, i get a few hd channels and some extra music channels and useless stuff. its basic cable, with local HD for $50. i also have my internet through comcast which is extremely reliable for $50 and i have great speed.
so i could be convinced to switch if i could get good signal strength and more channels/access for $49.99 than what im getting with cable now.
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Your cable net cost will increase when you're not a cable TV customer anymore.
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however do you plan on NOT watching TV before a year is up? That agreement is just so they get back the money they invested in all that FREE equipment they just gave you. Yes, I said FREE.
I plan on things all the time, and then things change. I had to move recently with only a couple months notice. Whats the escape clause on Satellite? I didn't need one for cable. Cable gives you all kinds of FREE stuff too, but they don't require an agreement, why do you suppose that is?
My buddy just upgraded his service to include HD and he got stuck with a $400 bill for equipment and installation. You say you didn't, thats good for you but I would suggest anyone else looking to go with satellite to ask those questions before locking yourself in to a contract.
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Also verify that the Satellite Provider offers local channels in HD. I moved to Dish Network 2 years ago and have not upgraded to HD because they don't offer my local stations in HD and I am too far away to get the local stations OTA.
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If you move around, it's still not an issue - put up a new dish, (or bring your old one with you) and plug in your old receiver, no loss in service. Granted, the only catch is that you have to be able to get a clear shot of the SW, but chances are pretty good with mounting options that you can get a signal. Plus, you didn't answer my question on your cable bill.
The reason you are in a agreement with the satellite system is that you OWN the equipment. You pay more with cable, and don't have a first year only agreement because you are RENTING the equipment, and paying for it over time. Again and again and again...
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Southwest depends on where you live. The satellites are in orbit over Texas. That's where you have to be able to see.
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I had to move recently with only a couple months notice. Whats the escape clause on Satellite?
I have DirecTV. They offer a moving service where they will go out to your new house, wire up a dish, and all you have to do is plug in. For free.
Also, if you have a certain type of receiver through DirecTV (such as some types of Sony receivers) they have serial connections on them. Makes for easy hookup to TiVo. I've had mine hooked up that way for years. This way, you don't have to live with that $5 a month DVR fee if you have a lifetime TiVo service.
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Southwest depends on where you live. The satellites are in orbit over Texas. That's where you have to be able to see.
That's right - SW for us...
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man, im really posting a lot in this forum about changing stuff around. sorry, but you know how it is. ::)
anyway, heres the deal....ive got cable right now and im paying about $35 a month or so and im getting some digital channels and about 4 or 5 hd channels. i have only one hdtv, and the rest (2 other tvs) are SD. i also have tivo series 2 that sucks on my hdtv because its analog and looks like crap on my hdtv.
okay, so yesterday i was attempting to call comcast to get a better deal by saying "hey i can get all this cheaper with satellite, what are you going to do about it". so i started looking up directtv and dish network stuff and i was enticed :-)
so heres what i want, let me know if it will be worth it:
1. hd programming on my hdtv, with a dvr to replace my tivo
2. plain old digital signals with no dvr (unless its free) for my other tvs.
3. the only extra channels i care about are the soccer channels (fox soccer, mls package, etc.)
keep in mind, that i really dont want to spend more than $45-50 a month. the soccer channels are extra and not a necessity but it would be nice. i just want to make sure that if i switch (giving myself better signals in video and audio) that i will be getting what ive got now for around the same price so my wife wont have a cow. any suggestions?
Satellite and cable companies run specials all the time for new customers. Generally if you are an existing customer you get screwed.
Have you actually tried calling DirectTv and telling them what you want to find out what it would cost? Seems like that should be your first step.
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If you are an existing customer you just call and ask specifically for Customer Retention. Then you get what the new customers get.
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If you are an existing customer you just call and ask specifically for Customer Retention. Then you get what the new customers get.
i was thinking about doing that with my comcast service. that way i could free stuff for the next 6 months or whatever. thats what my older brother has done for the longest time...and he says hes getting HD stuff for next to nothing.
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Comcast doesn't care. They'll tell you to eff off and then shut off your cable for three days in a "billing mistake" to prove their point.
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I'm a cable guy, but mostly because of 2 points: I can't get a good shot at the birds from where my house is (geographical limitation), and they don't have HD locals on the dish yet and I can't get teh HD OTA (again because of geo issues).
I would definately consider it for lots of reasons, but I'm tired of hearing the flawed mantra that with cable you're paying 'rent' on the equipment eternally...sure, you're paying to use their equipment, but its such a small amount of $$ per month ($5 for the HD PVR) that you would NEVER actually pay off the damn thing. I priced out the comcast HD DVR I have - they go for $800. that's a lot of months of $5 to buy that outright. Add to that the fact that if (when) the DVR dies, I just take it in to a comcast office and get a new one. No warranty hassles, no calling a tech, nada.
I was really hoping that the HD dish service Voom would have made it on its own, but they just couldn't survive on their own and ended up as content on dish....
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boykster, that's why people swap a year of commitment for that $800 DVR. It's worth doing for a service you intend to keep long term anyway. You don't have to pay the rental fee and you get the hardware either heavily subsidized or free.
Though now with the higher end stuff like the HD receivers they're trying to force people to do two years. That commitment is riskier.
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boykster, that's why people swap a year of commitment for that $800 DVR. It's worth doing for a service you intend to keep long term anyway. You don't have to pay the rental fee and you get the hardware either heavily subsidized or free.
Though now with the higher end stuff like the HD receivers they're trying to force people to do two years. That commitment is riskier.
Oh, I understand the rationale re: dish owners..you're definately coming out "ahead" if you look at MSRP by sticking to the contract. I'm just tired of hearing the empty assertion that cable guys are getting screwed by having to pay to rent our equipment. Frankly, I don't WANT to own my DVR - it won't work if I move and have a different cable provider (unlike dish where you can easily take your service with you).
Heck, I don't even watch that much tv anywho....
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Actually, a woman at my office just got a new DVR from directtv and she had to pay $100 and she pays a monthly fee (like $5) AND it isn't hers to keep. If she leaves, she has to give it back. It isn't an HD dvr but it s a dvr none the less. So she got screwed by having to pay upfront AND monthly AND she doesn't own it!
Not sure if she just got screwed or what but it sounded like that is the way they do things now.
J_K_M_A_N
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That $5 monthly fee is for the DVR service, not for renting the box. There is no way out of the DVR service fee on cable or satellite.
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Unless you get a TiVo w/ lifetime subscription.
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Not for Satellite.
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TiVo has a serial connection, it will take control of a compatible satellite receiver and it would be no different than having an internal tuner. For the incompatible models, there are the IR wands. I started with the wands then moved to the serial connection. Been working for over 2 1/2 years now.
A Yahoo! guide how to do it: http://tech.yahoo.com/gd/connecting-tivo-to-a-cable-or-satellite-box/153115
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I used the IR wand for about 6 months back in the day before the serial connection... man, what an unreliable POS.
Of course, he's already said he's not willing to shell out for an HD Tivo.
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If you move around, it's still not an issue - put up a new dish, (or bring your old one with you) and plug in your old receiver, no loss in service. Granted, the only catch is that you have to be able to get a clear shot of the SW, but chances are pretty good with mounting options that you can get a signal. Plus, you didn't answer my question on your cable bill.
The reason you are in a agreement with the satellite system is that you OWN the equipment. You pay more with cable, and don't have a first year only agreement because you are RENTING the equipment, and paying for it over time. Again and again and again...
I understand about the moving not being an issue with satellite assuming I move to a location that is acceptable. In my case, I did not. I had to move into an apartment that does not allow dishes. My cable bill has not raised in a while because I have locked in a rate with Charter Communications. I realize I'm the exception, but it was unadvertised where I was that I could call Charter and ask for a fixed rate and they guaranteed the rate for 12 months.
Why would I want to own satellite proprietary equipment? I wouldn't want to own that anymore than I want to own the cable box. As it is, I rent the cable box for $5 a month and when new features come out I get a different one for ... $5 a month. Wow.
You want Satellite? Thats your business. From what I can tell - it sucks.
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had to move into an apartment that does not allow dishes.
It was more of a cave... he had to eat off the floor and just tossed his bones in the corner.
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I've had both - DirecTV, hands down.
I know they got them there soccer channels, but you have to pay for those. :dunno
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Actually, a woman at my office just got a new DVR from directtv and she had to pay $100 and she pays a monthly fee (like $5) AND it isn't hers to keep. If she leaves, she has to give it back. It isn't an HD dvr but it s a dvr none the less. So she got screwed by having to pay upfront AND monthly AND she doesn't own it!
Did she deal with local installers? Sounds like she was dealing with the wrong people and got robbed. Lately Direct has been trying to give me a free HD setup with an HD DVR and free HD programming for 6 months.
Someday I'll actually own an HD TV and take them up on it. Currently I'm pretty happy with the free 80-hour Tivo they gave me a few years ago.
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Have cable now, and would only go with either cable or Verizons FiOS service (available here) because I don't want to be stuck with crappy DSL broadband. Comcast gives me a 6 meg downstream which is way more important to me than TV anyway.
I have a DVR, and it's got 60 hours of Dora The Explorer and Spongebob Squarepants on it. I don't even get to use it. :)
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okay.....HUGE update to this situation. first of all, i have basic cable, so like 100 channels or something and a few local hd channels and im paying $49 a month. plus my high speed internet, so my monthly bill is around $95 give or take.
i decided to call comcast on my way home from work and tell them about how i was thinking about switching to dish/directtv and that i could get an hd dvr and lots of channels with satellite for the same price $49. the guy at comcast took a few minutes while he looked up some stuff and then told me he could offer me:
280 channels
hbo
hd channels
hd dvr
plus my current internet costs
all for $75 a month for the first 6 months. BOOYAH! so i asked "okay, so thats included my internet bill right?" he said "yes sir". i said "sign me up sucka!" well okay, i didnt say sucka, but you get the point. anyway, i then asked "okay, so after the first six months..." and before i could finish he said "yeah, well just call back in 6 months, and we'll work another deal out." DOUBLE BOOYAH! eat that satellite customers! :cheers: j/k
so yeah, i got the hookup tonight. the only "gotcha" of the night is when i stopped off at the comcast office to get my hd dvr. i told the lady at the desk "okay, so just to make sure, on my account it says im getting the special deal right?" i proceeded to tell her about the $75 deal, and she looked at me like i was crazy. she said she would get it all worked out and call me back at my house. well no call tonight, so im going to call tomorrow to make sure they didnt screw me over. if they did, im gonna go nuts and maybe even get a better deal.
all in all, sweetness. oh and the hd dvr can record two shows at once. awesome awesome awesome....plus its all in digital...and i can record hd programming!
okay im done. awesome.
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Yeah... thats been my experience too. Lock it in with cable, cancel whenever you want, no warranty issues with the DVR and upgrade whenever they release equipment.
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280 channels
hbo
hd channels
hd dvr
plus my current internet costs
all in all, sweetness. oh and the hd dvr can record two shows at once. awesome awesome awesome....plus its all in digital...and i can record hd programming!
okay im done. awesome.
ahhh, the beauty of cable!
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280 channels
hbo
hd channels
hd dvr
plus my current internet costs
all in all, sweetness. oh and the hd dvr can record two shows at once. awesome awesome awesome....plus its all in digital...and i can record hd programming!
okay im done. awesome.
ahhh, the beauty of cable!
true dat! no contracts, no nothin....so you are never locked into a plan or anything....meaning you can leave whenever you want...also meaning that they have to lure you back with awesome deals like this!
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I understand about the moving not being an issue with satellite assuming I move to a location that is acceptable. In my case, I did not. I had to move into an apartment that does not allow dishes.
FYI and for everyone else out there who rents... Apartment landlords may not bar you from having satellite TV.
http://www.myrateplan.com/sat/condos.php
Having a balcony or terrace makes things easier though since if you don't have one of these areas that are "part of the tenant's rented space" you are limited to having the dish in your apartment. :P
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Seeing as how I'm a certified tv nut I'll throw in my two cents.
First off, if you are getting all of that on your cable for just 35 bucks then you are getting one hell of a deal. The short of my advice... stay where you are! If you want more hd channels simply buy a better package or wait for them to arrive.
Imho opinion there are two types of satellite users, the type that doesn't know they are getting screwed and the type that is forced to be screwed because they have no (or very poor) cable service in their area. There are many down-sides to sat and the only real upside is you can get a ton of crazy channels (like telemundo) that you'll never watch anyway. Cable is cheaper, the reception is always better, and you don't have as many weather issues. More importantly, you can get your internet access cheaply through cable in one big package, not so much with sat (unless you like crappy, slow, over-priced internet).
Both cable and sat start at around 20-29.99 in their packages, but that is where they start to diverge.
Cable generally give you at least 50 channels for your base package, including local channels. Sat gives you the same, only a lot of the channels are repeats (same channel but in a different area) and depending upon the location, no local channels at that price. You can get the premium channels on cable for an additional 10 bucks. This usually includes on-demand features for said channels. Premium channels on sat can cost twice as much you might not get on demand either. Hd channels and pvr cost an additional 10 bucks on cable again, including on demand if available. Again sat can cost twice as much and generally, no on demand.
Now generally speaking, you do get more channels with sat, the problem is a lot of them suck and you pay out your ass for em. Cable is quickly closing the gap though and in many areas your local digital cable provider can offer as many channels as sat.
About the whole rental issue. Generally when you get hd/pvr/ect service for cable you paying for the box more than anything. It's usually a flat rate of 10 bucks to cover the cost of the unit. (In other words you pay no extra charges for hd service, just 10 bucks). Since the typical hd reciever can cost as much as 800 bucks, it doesn't seem like an issue to me considering you still pay a service charge on sat and often you have to buy the box out-right.
Your biggest concern seems to be what you get for the money, some things can be argued, but cable is almost always cheaper per channel, so long as you count unique channels you'll actually watch.
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The main win for me with Sat is that I get the NFL Sunday Ticket, which is not available on cable. That is why I got Satellite in the first place, along with being pissed at the cable provider when they shut off my cable over an unpaid balance that took them a week to figure out was only 75 cents and was a billing error to begin with.
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Hulkster - glad to see you got a deal, they certainly don't offer anything like that in upstate New York! I guess it depends on your location, and the cable company. Time Warner here is the sux0r...
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Hulkster - glad to see you got a deal, they certainly don't offer anything like that in upstate New York! I guess it depends on your location, and the cable company. Time Warner here is the sux0r...
yeah but after the girl at the comcast office looked at me like i just asked if she had made out with a dog before....im a little skeptical at my so called deal. im going to call today and confirm what i got, and im ready to argue about what the guy told me to make sure im not paying crazy amounts of money.
also....i have some hd channels, but i dont have ESPN HD or ESPN2 HD...i thought if i was getting the HD programming, that would be included. it says it on comcasts site, so i thought id be able to get those two. i plan on complaining about that as well ;D
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so i just got off the phone with comcast....and the guy confirmed that i am getting all the stuff i listed above for $76.88. i think what he did was lower my internet service fee to $19.99 and then give me a bunch of free equipment.
oh and i asked about the espn hd stuff and he said that they were having problems with the signals in my area, and that it should be fixed shortly. awesome!
mls game tonight on espn2 in hd! whoo!
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If you're an mls fan, too bad you're not here. First place team is sitting right here and no one local even knows when the games are... tickets are very easy to get and not expensive.
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houston!?!? they are awesome this year....started out crappy, but doing well now, although Real Salt Lake (only won 2 games so far) just beat them recently which was a big upset. not that you care :dunno but hey, at least you are informed now!
they actually have a decent following/turnout for their games. its not as crazy as Toronto's crowds but its decent. you should go some time...they are pretty fun to watch.
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Not Houston, New England.
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oh, well the Revs are up there, but the dynamo is leading the league i believe. the revs are first in their conference though.
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oh, well the Revs are up there, but the dynamo is leading the league i believe. the revs are first in their conference though.
The fact that Chad even knew they were first in ANYTHING shows how popular soccer is here :laugh2:
I go to indoor soccer games (Milwaukee Wave) because they're cheap, fun, and it's the closest thing to real-life foosball I've ever seen. Outdoor soccer....the friggen city is drowning in games or matches or whatever the heck you call 'em. For myself.... *yaaahhhhhwwwwnnnnn*
I'll stick with indoor soccer and not bring it up when people say that soccer sucks - because it DOES.
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I think the Revolution are MLS champs right now... but I'm not 100% sure on that. And I live 5 minutes from their stadium. Figure that, a major pro championship won that close and people here aren't even aware of it.
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oh, well the Revs are up there, but the dynamo is leading the league i believe. the revs are first in their conference though.
The fact that Chad even knew they were first in ANYTHING shows how popular soccer is here :laugh2:
I go to indoor soccer games (Milwaukee Wave) because they're cheap, fun, and it's the closest thing to real-life foosball I've ever seen. Outdoor soccer....the friggen city is drowning in games or matches or whatever the heck you call 'em. For myself.... *yaaahhhhhwwwwnnnnn*
I'll stick with indoor soccer and not bring it up when people say that soccer sucks - because it DOES.
to each his own. i played soccer for 17 years. i also played baseball for 14, basketball for 12, and i dabbled in american football for about 4 years so its not like ive never played other stuff.
my sport of choice is soccer, so naturally i watch it more and stuff. i quit playing baseball in college because i got bored. call me a nazi or whatever, but baseball is the single most boring sport in the history of all sports. its a casual, talk to your buddy while drinking a beer sport. ive been to mlb games, and AAA games, and ive played many positions: pitcher, first, third, and center field, and i was a decent hitter....but i just got BORED. i hate watching baseball.
american football is okay, but college football (and college sports in general) is the only thing ill watch. not that football is boring, its just a lot of stop, go, stop go, timeout, review play, stop again, go for 2 yards, oh yay we scored. oh and since we americans cant stand for something to count for 1 point, lets give them 6 points to make it seem more high scoring. :tool: im a big kentucky fan, so maybe thats why im not hugely into football. its great fun to play, but aside from college football....it sucks. then again, the cats are on the rise! we whooped clemson last year in the music city bowl! whoo! i was there...er...rather here....since i live in nashville ::)
basketball: college hoops is awesome....its the closest thing to the excitement of soccer especially during march madness. but then again, im a kentucky fan, so that kinda comes naturally.
anyway, all that to say.....ive played lots of sports, and watched every sport america offers LIVE and in person....and all fail in comparison to the atmosphere and drama of soccer. if you dont believe me, next world cup, go to your local sports bar and watch the u.s. play...standing room only. ive been to my local sports bar for the yankees vs. red sox game during the playoffs, and yeah it was fun and everybody went nuts when the sox took the lead, but that was NOTHING compared to the atmosphere and response when the u.s. scored a goal in the world cup. i say "a" goal, because we only scored one last time :banghead:
i may be the ONLY american with this point of view, but its ALL MINE! whoo! so take your football american rugby/tackle ball and stick it. :angel:
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The world cup was televised here? :dizzy:
At first I thought you were talking about that golf thing where the Americans play the Europeans for a big beer stein or something, but then I saw you were going on about soccer, so I figured that golf thing wasn't the world cup :dunno
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The world cup was televised here? :dizzy:
At first I thought you were talking about that golf thing where the Americans play the Europeans for a big beer stein or something, but then I saw you were going on about soccer, so I figured that golf thing wasn't the world cup :dunno
:applaud:
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This feels very strange for me...but...back to topic...I had a sat dish at one of the last places I lived...it may have been setup incorrectly...but anytime we had a heavy rain storm come through...forget it! The signal completely dropped. Of course in the place I lived before that, the cable would stay on for the storm...but would be out for two days afterward because of the flooding in a certain area that always seemed to be a vital junction for the cable company.
Jouster
P.S. - And soccer doesn't suck...it can just be boring to watch. Same as basketball and baseball. I played soccer for my entire youth and plan to find an adult league when I finish up some of the carp I have going on right now. Although I did watch a soccer game in Colombia with some locals...much different experience than watching it in the States for sure.
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P.S. - And soccer doesn't suck...it can just be boring to watch. Same as basketball and baseball. I played soccer for my entire youth and plan to find an adult league when I finish up some of the carp I have going on right now. Although I did watch a soccer game in Colombia with some locals...much different experience than watching it in the States for sure.
word of caution...make SURE you train adequately before going into the adult league. or youll end up like me thinking you can still do everything you used to do 4 years ago when you were in tip top shape....and end up stepping wrong and tearing your MCL, ACL, and fracturing a bone. :dunno
no more playing soccer for me. good times.
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The primary reason I never liked soccer much, I think, was that I'm not into distance running sports. I'm built for 20 yards and a collision. Decent sport, just not for me.
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The primary reason I never liked soccer much, I think, was that I'm not into distance running sports. I'm built for 20 yards and a collision. Decent sport, just not for me.
funny enough....i cannot stand distance running. er...cannot stand distance running without something to keep my mind off the fact that im running distance. i hate track, cross country, etc....and i hated training for soccer every year because we'd get to practice and the coach would say "dont bother putting on your cleats, just put on your flats....now, go do a 3 mile warmup jog, then come back and we'll do a 3 mile timed run."
LOVELY
i hated that so much. but if im thinking about sprinting to get to the ball and stuff, i dont think about the actual sprint or distance or whatever.
anyway....last night during the mls game, michael wilbon (from PTI) was there commenting, and one of the announcers asked him "why do americans not like this game? why wont they watch and take notice?"
and his answer was the best one ive heard yet "because they dont WANT to take notice, they dont WANT to like it. americans have a history of only supporting and liking the games that americans made popular. thats why hockey never really made it to the top. i think its stupid to try to market soccer to "everyone else"...they need to cater to the soccer faithful and just let that grow over time".
amen brotha.
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I don't like soccer for a few reasons.
1. The cheerleaders.... 'nuff said
2. Lack of Justin/Janet half time shows
3. If I want to see men kicking other men in the nads I'll watch Americas Funniest Home Videos.
4. They are the biggest bunch of pansies. Always faking an injury to try and call a penalty. Annoying wimps.
5. Lack of action - it has this in common with Womens Basketball
6. Soccer turned a great satellite vs cable conversation into a potentially gay soccer discussion
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I don't like soccer for a few reasons.
1. The cheerleaders.... 'nuff said
2. Lack of Justin/Janet half time shows
3. If I want to see men kicking other men in the nads I'll watch Americas Funniest Home Videos.
4. They are the biggest bunch of pansies. Always faking an injury to try and call a penalty. Annoying wimps.
5. Lack of action - it has this in common with Womens Basketball
6. Soccer turned a great satellite vs cable conversation into a potentially gay soccer discussion
well the sat vs. cable discussion is pretty much over after i got my sweet deal with comcast.
lack of action? so time in between pitches in baseball, timeouts in basketball/football, reviewing calls by refs, intermissions and stoppage of play in hockey, and commercials in all of the above.....soccer is the only sport thats constant for 45 min. at a time with no commercial breaks.
i guess it depends on your definition of "action". i started this thread and if i want to turn it into a gay soccer thread, i can if i want! :hissy:
oh and i guess if i we are talking about pansy/gay stuff....i could watch american football if i wanted to see men wearing spandex pants, hiking a ball in between another mans legs from behind while hes bent over, and then wrestling each other to the ground by grabbing whatever they can. sounds like a "non pansy sport to me". go watch the In Living Color episode where they did "Men on Football". :laugh2:
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well the sat vs. cable discussion is pretty much over after i got my sweet deal with comcast.
lack of action? so time in between pitches in baseball, timeouts in basketball/football, reviewing calls by refs, intermissions and stoppage of play in hockey, and commercials in all of the above.....soccer is the only sport thats constant for 45 min. at a time with no commercial breaks.
i guess it depends on your definition of "action". i started this thread and if i want to turn it into a gay soccer thread, i can if i want! :hissy:
oh and i guess if i we are talking about pansy/gay stuff....i could watch american football if i wanted to see men wearing spandex pants, hiking a ball in between another mans legs from behind while hes bent over, and then wrestling each other to the ground by grabbing whatever they can. sounds like a "non pansy sport to me". go watch the In Living Color episode where they did "Men on Football". :laugh2:
You have to justify your love of soccer by pointing out the deficiencies in other sports? tsk tsk... sounds like someone is a little defensive...
And, for the record, you'll notice I didn't mention anything about any other sports. Perhaps I don't like them just as much? All I do know is - I'm American and I know I'm American because I think soccer blows. It's a requirement here.
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well the sat vs. cable discussion is pretty much over after i got my sweet deal with comcast.
lack of action? so time in between pitches in baseball, timeouts in basketball/football, reviewing calls by refs, intermissions and stoppage of play in hockey, and commercials in all of the above.....soccer is the only sport thats constant for 45 min. at a time with no commercial breaks.
i guess it depends on your definition of "action". i started this thread and if i want to turn it into a gay soccer thread, i can if i want! :hissy:
oh and i guess if i we are talking about pansy/gay stuff....i could watch american football if i wanted to see men wearing spandex pants, hiking a ball in between another mans legs from behind while hes bent over, and then wrestling each other to the ground by grabbing whatever they can. sounds like a "non pansy sport to me". go watch the In Living Color episode where they did "Men on Football". :laugh2:
You have to justify your love of soccer by pointing out the deficiencies in other sports? tsk tsk... sounds like someone is a little defensive...
And, for the record, you'll notice I didn't mention anything about any other sports. Perhaps I don't like them just as much? All I do know is - I'm American and I know I'm American because I think soccer blows. It's a requirement here.
hmm, well usually when you form an opinion about how much a sport "blows" you would have some experience with the sport as to why you feel that it blows. while your opinion is truly craptacular, i can appreciate your ignorance in sports as a whole because one of my friends also likes to call soccer gay, but has never played a sport or has a desire to play a sport. so basically ill lump your opinion with his. congrats on that. :applaud:
but based on your logic....um.....
oh i think futurama blows. cheap rip off of the simpsons and crappy animation. never seen it before other than commercials and previews and stuff, so by your justification, futurama blows....i think thats a prerequisite? or was it a requirement....i forget.
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well the sat vs. cable discussion is pretty much over after i got my sweet deal with comcast.
lack of action? so time in between pitches in baseball, timeouts in basketball/football, reviewing calls by refs, intermissions and stoppage of play in hockey, and commercials in all of the above.....soccer is the only sport thats constant for 45 min. at a time with no commercial breaks.
i guess it depends on your definition of "action". i started this thread and if i want to turn it into a gay soccer thread, i can if i want! :hissy:
oh and i guess if i we are talking about pansy/gay stuff....i could watch american football if i wanted to see men wearing spandex pants, hiking a ball in between another mans legs from behind while hes bent over, and then wrestling each other to the ground by grabbing whatever they can. sounds like a "non pansy sport to me". go watch the In Living Color episode where they did "Men on Football". :laugh2:
You have to justify your love of soccer by pointing out the deficiencies in other sports? tsk tsk... sounds like someone is a little defensive...
And, for the record, you'll notice I didn't mention anything about any other sports. Perhaps I don't like them just as much? All I do know is - I'm American and I know I'm American because I think soccer blows. It's a requirement here.
hmm, well usually when you form an opinion about how much a sport "blows" you would have some experience with the sport as to why you feel that it blows. while your opinion is truly craptacular, i can appreciate your ignorance in sports as a whole because one of my friends also likes to call soccer gay, but has never played a sport or has a desire to play a sport. so basically ill lump your opinion with his. congrats on that. :applaud:
but based on your logic....um.....
oh i think futurama blows. cheap rip off of the simpsons and crappy animation. never seen it before other than commercials and previews and stuff, so by your justification, futurama blows....i think thats a prerequisite? or was it a requirement....i forget.
Lets imagine I do have an opinion on a topic I have no experience with. Is that wrong? Before you answer, consider this - do you feel man on man love is fun? Seems to me, you can't answer unless you've either had some or given some. Me? I'll answer, even though I've never had experience with it.
If I was a previous pro soccer player and I said soccer sucked, would you value that opinion more?
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im not sure if you have a point or not, but when you mentioned man on man love, thats when i stopped wanting to read. :o
but anyway, your comparison with the pro soccer player thing is close but not neccesarily what im getting at. its like me saying Macs suck, but having never used a mac...so i have nothing to base it on other than what people have said, or from what ive seen. its like saying the food in japan totally blows, even though all i have to go by is a japanese steakhouse here in the states, which is the most tainted view ever. im just saying, dont blast something just because you know nothing about it. i dont consider my opinion to be more valuable, but i do consider my opinion to be the more experienced one, seeing as that ive played several main stream sports, experienced watching them professionally on tv and live....so my opinion is at least founded on personal experience relative to the conversation. yours is based on "i dont play soccer, never have, never will...therefore it sucks". again, "ive never watched futurama, never have, never will....therefore it sucks". doesnt make much sense.
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im not sure if you have a point or not, but when you mentioned man on man love, thats when i stopped wanting to read. :o
but anyway, your comparison with the pro soccer player thing is close but not neccesarily what im getting at. its like me saying Macs suck, but having never used a mac...so i have nothing to base it on other than what people have said, or from what ive seen. its like saying the food in japan totally blows, even though all i have to go by is a japanese steakhouse here in the states, which is the most tainted view ever. im just saying, dont blast something just because you know nothing about it. i dont consider my opinion to be more valuable, but i do consider my opinion to be the more experienced one, seeing as that ive played several main stream sports, experienced watching them professionally on tv and live....so my opinion is at least founded on personal experience relative to the conversation. yours is based on "i dont play soccer, never have, never will...therefore it sucks". again, "ive never watched futurama, never have, never will....therefore it sucks". doesnt make much sense.
Who said I have no experience in sports period? For all you know I'm Spice Guy Beckham. :D
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im not sure if you have a point or not, but when you mentioned man on man love, thats when i stopped wanting to read. :o
but anyway, your comparison with the pro soccer player thing is close but not neccesarily what im getting at. its like me saying Macs suck, but having never used a mac...so i have nothing to base it on other than what people have said, or from what ive seen. its like saying the food in japan totally blows, even though all i have to go by is a japanese steakhouse here in the states, which is the most tainted view ever. im just saying, dont blast something just because you know nothing about it. i dont consider my opinion to be more valuable, but i do consider my opinion to be the more experienced one, seeing as that ive played several main stream sports, experienced watching them professionally on tv and live....so my opinion is at least founded on personal experience relative to the conversation. yours is based on "i dont play soccer, never have, never will...therefore it sucks". again, "ive never watched futurama, never have, never will....therefore it sucks". doesnt make much sense.
Who said I have no experience in sports period? For all you know I'm Spice Guy Beckham. :D
nice ;D