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Main => Everything Else => Topic started by: Vigo on July 24, 2006, 02:29:34 am
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So, I didn't see any previous posts on the upcoming movie, and I know some of you out there are transformers fans...so:
http://www.transformersmovie.com/
:cheers:
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Whadaya know? I was sure there was at least one TF Movie thread...but nope.
Peter Cullen's voicing Optimus Prime. :woot
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there was at one time.....
http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?topic=39929.0
but some of the links are now bad.....
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there was at one time.....
http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?topic=39929.0
but some of the links are now bad.....
Haha, yeah...the only working pic on the old thread is this:
(http://img297.imageshack.us/img297/5868/1092807763921s5fd.jpg)
Well, I don't think this is a bad re-thread, since there is a lot of info out there on the movie now.
:cheers:
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The leaked pic of the new optimus prime looks pretty dumb, or at least nothing like optimus prime should look like, http://www.jalopnik.com/cars/top/new-transformers-movie-update-optimus-prime-is-in-the-picture-the-armys-acting-up-187404.php
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Yeah, michael bay responded to this: SInce they want the movie to look realistic, they did't test shots with the original truck, optimus prime would have been only 15-20 feet high with that sort of truck, so they decided to go with a larger truck to have a "to scale" transormation.
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I don't mind the style of the truck as much as I do the paint job.... just doesn't seem right, but I don't think that really matters now that they've decided on Peter Cullen... his voice IS Optimus Prime.
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Yeah, michael bay responded to this: SInce they want the movie to look realistic, they did't test shots with the original truck, optimus prime would have been only 15-20 feet high with that sort of truck, so they decided to go with a larger truck to have a "to scale" transormation.
See, I'm down with that, as the whole "giant robot shrinks to walkman" thing didn't necessarily work for everyone. The paint job doesn't really bother me either, since those things can be fixed in post if it doesn't work. What I can't wait for is the outcry when people finally twig that Megatron will have to be changed since they aren't doing the whole "giant robot shrinks to walkman" thing... :dizzy:
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What I can't wait for is the outcry when people finally twig that Megatron will have to be changed since they aren't doing the whole "giant robot shrinks to walkman" thing... :dizzy:
See, I never dug that either. Megatron is much better suited as a tank.
It was just dumb...shrinking to a smaller, weaker figure...and letting your treacherous 2nd handle you. "Oops, mighty Megatron, I seem to have crushed you in my hands! Now I, Starscream, will lead the Decepticons!"
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I don't mind the style of the truck as much as I do the paint job.... just doesn't seem right, but I don't think that really matters now that they've decided on Peter Cullen... his voice IS Optimus Prime.
Yeah - Peter Cullen was awesome in My Little Pony and Friends!
:D
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Didn't watch My Little Pony, so we'll have to take your word for it.
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Liar!
Haha - got that from imdb.com, wasn't sure who he was...
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I love imdb!!!
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Missed this thread... couple of "transformers physics" notes.
The science behind how some of the transformers shrink is explained in a season 1 episode of g1, the term escapes me, but the gist of it was some of the autobots shrank down and went inside megatron to get the star of cybertron or some non-sense, anyway it showed that shrinking technology is common-place in transformers tech, so common place that it could easily be implemented in any of the actual robots.
The reason behind the shrinking actually makes sense when you think about it. Megatron was a laser-based weapon. Everybody knows that when you tighten a laser beam it becomes more powerful. Also when you shrink something that is normally large it becomes quite dense because the only way to shrink something is to tighten the space between the sub-atomic particles and thus it'd be pretty hard to simply crush megatron once he's in gun mode. Finally remember that at the beginning of the transformers they had an energy shortage. Making a laser beam come out of a giant gun the size of meg's would prety much drain him with one shot. Now why megatron always let Starscream fire him and why his gun mode looked suspiciously like a 1980's pistol, that one is beyond me.
Megatron only become a tank in the g2 comic books. His tank form was designed by cobra and his turrent shot some kind of sonic disruptor instead of a laser. Also they used some sort of hi-grade secret cobra armor to make his shell so there was no need to shrink anymore. And no those crappy anime versions of megatron in some sort of tank mode don't coun't as those series don't follow the orirignal storyline arc and are therefore crap.
Soundwave's shrinking is so obvious that I shouldn't even have to mention it. How can you be a spy when you transform into something (anything) that's 20 feet tall? He shrank to a size that would be completely un-noticed by the giant autobots, and a form that would blend in with the smaller human environments.
Unless the news has changed, Optimus is supposed to be a firetruck, which pretty much ruins the movie right there, end of story. I had great hopes for this one too, way to ruin another sacred memory from my childhood hollywood!! :angry:
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Unless the news has changed, Optimus is supposed to be a firetruck, which pretty much ruins the movie right there, end of story. I had great hopes for this one too, way to ruin another sacred memory from my childhood hollywood!! :angry:
If you check the link, it appears that it's "truck with flames painted on it", not "firetruck".
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I had great hopes for this one too
You had great hopes for a Michael Bay project? Are you daft?
Pearl Harbor
Bad Boys
Bad Boys II
Armageddon
The Island
The Rock
Michael Bay has never EVER made a movie that was not specifically designed to make my eyes and ears bleed in agony.
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Out of the movies on shmokes' list, I enjoyed the ones with "THE" in the title, so there's potential for "THE Transformers" to be a good summer popcorn flick.
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Interesting - I enjoyed all those movies - but I do like those movies with action, excitement, very little drama/romance.
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Let's see...
Pearl Harbor: Didn't focus on pearl harbor until the last 20 min.
Bad Boys 1 & 2: Nothing special to see, many similiar flick to this out there.
Armageddon: For some reason, as crappy as the movies are made, there hasn't been a single bruce willis movie I haven't disliked. I have to hand the credit to Bruce on that one. (and steve buschemi)
The Island: Pretty darn good first half! Very predictable Second half. started sucking after steve buschemi was taken out of the picture.
The Rock: Not a bad flick. Nothing to drop my jaw at, but entertaining. solid B+
Shmokes, why are you being a big downer and reminding me of michael bay? :hissy:
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/shrug, I like Michael Bay movies.
Granted, I go into them specifically expecting very little plot and lots of explosions and fancy camera work. For what he sets out to do with his movies, he does it well. He may be the cotton candy of the movie industry, but even cotton candy is awesome as long as you only have it once or twice a year while you're hanging out at the county fair.
He has no allusions to being a Kurosawa, I see no reason to expect anything more from his movies than he appears to aim for and, as such, I'm entertained by them.
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However, there are a million transformers fans out there who are completly anal about the details of this move and will want it to be a masterpiece...I don't think people were so pumped about "The island" or "Bad boyz" that they talked about it two years in advance.
You are right though, he can make a fine fluff movie...I just worry that this isn't the right movie to make fluff.
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http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3087221589255393735&q=robot+car
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8594226983468085338&q=robot+car
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http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7957698628327913835&q=transformer
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-557059665055608214&q=transformer
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6836334261410176302&q=transformer
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However, there are a million transformers fans out there who are completly anal about the details of this move and will want it to be a masterpiece...I don't think people were so pumped about "The island" or "Bad boyz" that they talked about it two years in advance.
You are right though, he can make a fine fluff movie...I just worry that this isn't the right movie to make fluff.
For the record, anal fanboys are pretty high on my list of people I like to mock. Just shut up and enjoy the movie for the derivative work that it is, damnit!
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Sure, there is a certain point where you point at people and laugh because they forget it is "Just a movie"/book/TV show/etc... I mean, some dorks out there are so into these fake universes they even have arguments about which spaceship could beat up another spaceship! Hah! Losers... :angel:
*BUT* people who deliberately license famous I.P. are doing so for the purpose of generating revenue. They didn't pay $X'ty million bucks for the name Transformers just to have everyone shrug and say "eh, don't know if I'll go see it, it's just another movie." Like HHGTTG, X-Men, Spiderman, and all the other cross-media properties, the producers want those fanboys out there screaming "ROBOTS IN DISGUISE!!!" and dressing up at premiers generating newspaper coverage. Subsequently, if you want those people pushing your movie they need to get something out of it too, or else you should just call the thing "big fighting robot-machines" and not try to pretend your goal is to cash in on all those wasted Saturday morning memories... :hissy: :hissy: :hissy:
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I went to see Dukes of Hazzard and I felt ripped off... even though my movie ticket was free inside the Season 3 DVD set....
it was a very sad day for me..... :badmood:
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Ah, but those people are going to show up in costume and stand outside screaming "ROBOTS IN DISGUISE" for any movie that is made with this kind of budget and the special effects/action sequences a director like Michael Bay is known for. Oh, sure, they'll go home and login to their fanboi forums and ---smurfette--- and moan about how Optimus Prime's arm was able to bend 5% further than it ever did in the cartoons or how Starscream wasn't coniving enough for their tastes, but all the general public is ever going to see is that footage of them stomping around covered in painted cardboard and sleeping in chairs for two nights prior to the release night to be sure they get in for the first showing.
With the kind of money and special effects that are being thrown at this movie (not to mention the 4th of July release date), it's obvious to me that the movie is going to be long on things going boom and short on plot. Then again, if we look back honestly at the cartoons we watched when we were growing up, that's exactly how they were back then.
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I had great hopes for this one too
You had great hopes for a Michael Bay project? Are you daft?
Pearl Harbor
Bad Boys
Bad Boys II
Armageddon
The Island
The Rock
Michael Bay has never EVER made a movie that was not specifically designed to make my eyes and ears bleed in agony.
Let me make this perfectly clear... I HATE Michael Bay. I had hopes for the flick because initially it was announced that Spielgberg himself would be directing if not having a major influence over the film. Apparently though, the guy that made virtually every good movie in teh history of movies isn't interested though, which is stupid on his part because he is known for making a franchise out of nothing, imagine what he could do one of the most popular franchises in history.
The more that comes out about this film, the more I realize that mr jaws himself had little or nothing to do with it.
A prime example:
It's my understanding that bumblebee is going to be in the flick but he is NOT going to be a VW bug. Is this guy THAT dense? That's how bumblebee got his name, he's a yellow VW "bug" with black trim. And since the bug was re-issued a few years back, it would make perfect sense for him to still use that disguise.
About the "it's just a franchise" comments. That's kind of like saying Star Wars was just some franchise when it not only single-handedly invented special effects and the "popcorn" blockbuster but had universal appeal to geeks and normals alike.
The transformers is a deceptively influental franchise. It started the idea of "action figure" along with it's sister show gi-joe. No longer were boys subjected to glorified ken dolls for toys, now toys actually did something. The show spawned a half dozen comic book series, a dozen re-iterations of the original series (unfortunately all anime and all crap save maybe the early pretenders/headmasters of the late 80's) more toys than you cna shake a stick at, the very excellent beast wars/beast machines series sequels and quite possibly the best/worst movie of all time ... Transformers the Movie.
No not this upcoming schlock, the orignal animated movie. Mind you it wasn't a masterpiece, but name one other flick that Featured Leonard Nimoy Orson Wells, the micro machines guy and a sound track by Van Halen and Weird Al? Also, although the dialog was the usual "I'm thinking something, so I must speak it aloud" style that was popular at the time, the plot was quite good. Apparently it moved a lot of people because in season 3 of the series they had to resurrect Prime because they got so many complaints.
Like 20 transformers died in the movie and the only two anyone gave a crap about was Prime and Starscream, so Prime is literally the robot equivelent of mickey mouse. Making prime not look like prime is like drawing mickey as a squirrel. People who aren't hardcore Mickey fans no longer recgnize the charcter and don't watch the film while hardcore disney fans are pissed because it isn't the mickey they know and love. It makes no sense. It has been tried before btw.... in an anime series in the late 90's Optimus was "re-invisioned" as a firetruck. The show lasted a quarter of a season, which is unheard of considering all other anime versions of transformers lasted at least a full season, usually more.
Mind you until recently (the news of the movie made me feel nostalgic) I hadn't watched the transformers since their original airing in the 80's but I would still consider myself a fan. The series might have not been a masterpiece, but the way it was done gave it enough charm to be considered a classic. I mean hell, something most have been done right, the Japaneese have based their whole culture around giant transforming robots. ;) I don't have any problem with the movie not being prefect, I just hate to see it loose that charm. With each press release it becomes apparent that people involved with the film aren't familiar with the transformers story arc.
You know why films like Spiderman did well and films like Catwoman did poorley? It's quite simple, Spiderman was a uber blockbuster that set the trend for this wave of superhero flicks because Rami knew a lot about spiderman and made the film as close to the comic book spiderman world as humanly possible. Catwoman, The new Superman, and the later Batman films on the other hand, were done by people that didn't know ANYTHING about the franchises they were working on and wanted to "put their own spin" on the films. WTF man? The studio wants you to cash in on the already established fan base, the fans want you to cash in on the already established fan base. Why make your own world when you have years and years of back story? You just have to pick some memorable characters, write a story around it (or re-tell an origin story) make costumes based off of the already established characters and hire actors that can act decent and look reasonably like the characters. In other words, if you shut up and stick to the franchise, you can get away with making a decent movie and it'll become great.
So for me, ruining a franchise with a crappy cash-in is unforgivable, simply because any idiot can make a good franchise movie if they simply get off their hi-horse and do the film how everyone expects it rather than trying to get all artsie and "re-envision" the property.
Transformers is especially a no-brainer. Dialog is barely even required, just make the robots look like they did in the series and get the original voice actors (save the guy who vioced starscream who passed away a few years back). When they can only get one out of the two, it is beyond sad.
Eh, I'll remain somewhat optimistic as the film is still in production and there is still time for someone involved to buy a clue and fix the visuals. Until then I go to consult the matrix of leadership.
Till all are one!
p.s. mission you felt ripped off about the Dukes of Hazzard? Did you see the trailers before you went? It stars the dude from jackass, the dude from american pie and jessica simpson, the sucker was a sinking ship as soon as the casting was completed.
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Go-Bots are better......
(http://www.idmonsters.com/rtc/02/images/gobots.jpg)
oh .....and Howard... I don't watch enough tv to see movie trailers.....
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The hasbro sued the creators of the go-bots for copyright infringement and won. Eventually hasbro acquired the license of the go-bots as part of the settlement fee and they are still sold to this day..... as a line of transformers specifically designed for pre-schoolers. So they are finally in their rightful place, lame knock-offs of a superior product only found appealing to children under the age of 6. :D
Mission if you don't watch tv then you don't know what the dukes of hazzard is and therfore you don't have anything to complain about. :P
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I know what Dukes of Hazzard was When I did watch TV and the movie wasn't it.....
but anyways.... when's the Voltron movie coming out? Voltron kicked the transformers ass too.....
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Voltron was a HORRIBLE show.. down right horrible.
Every single episode was exactly the same and I mean exactly. A random giant monster thingy flies in and thrashes the planet for the first 18 min of the show. There's also some boring pseudo-comical sub-plot going on, but nobody cares as it involves the pilots and they are all one dimensional and boring. Anyway...out come our dorky Aime stereotypes to the rescue! Que the stock footage of the lions coming out of their hidey holes! They all get into virtually identical lions (how lame is that?) and promptly get their butt handed to them. Last 30 seconds of the show "let's form voltron!" and Que the stock footage of the lions connecting to form voltron. Voltron punches the beast a few times, then summons his sword and slices it in half. The end.
Even more infuriating than that is the legacy it caused. From that point on, every Anime childern's show was required to have this lame gimmick, the gratutious stock footage clips of the gimmick happening and virtually no story or interesting action to be found. This is exactly why I hate the Anime Transformer series, they turned a great show into a glorified episode of voltron! Take a look at the current series cybertron. Now all the transformers can merge with each other... all of them! And they have these lame gimmicks, such as planet keys. 15 out of the 20 minutes of show is comprised of those lame stock footage clips of the robots transforming, linking up, ect.
And the worst bi-product of voltron is the power rangers. Dear god the power rangers. Explain to me how a show with one episode can be on for 11 seasons? I sware I've seen nothing but power ranger costumes on little boys for halloween for the past 11 years. Why is it allowed to live? it's simple, the japs have much lower standards for television and they'll keep anything on the air.
Transformers and voltron came out the same year, and they both featured robots that merged into larger robots. The only difference is the transformers had cool, unique alternate modes and each episode actually had a story, with some sort of unique plot. Also people cared about the characters, which is ironic considering the voltron cast was all human and they ended up being the robotic ones.
I'm not saying I hate voltron... it's a cute little show and I enjoyed it as a kid. It's cute like those superhero tv series from the 60's were... cute because it's so bad. But better than the transformers? My friend you must have the nostalgia glasses on because even as a 6 year old boy sitting in front of the tube I realized that voltron, while fun to watch, was really cheesie.
Regardless, Devastator could kick Voltron's butt any day. ;)
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The reason that you won't see Bumblebee as a VW Bug is because VW won't lend their license to 'war toys' as they've had a "bad image" in the past.
Ever since the Alternators line of Transformers toys came out, that's been one of the most sought after toys. Regretably, it'll never happen.
People wanting this toy have 'kitbashed' their own together, taking Transformer parts and adding pieces of a model kit.
http://www.tfmaster.com/gallery_kb0048.php
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captain caveman could hand Devastator's ass out on a silver platter..........
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Voltron was a HORRIBLE show.. down right horrible.
You shut your mouth!
Even more infuriating than that is the legacy it caused. From that point on, every Anime childern's show was required to have this lame gimmick, the gratutious stock footage clips of the gimmick happening and virtually no story or interesting action to be found.
Actually, that's really not a legacy caused by Voltron. Japanese cartoons and American cartoons found different ways to cut production costs. American cartoons just used crappier animation, they'd use 5 frames instead of 15, or cut down the detail in certain scenes (just think back to GI Joe or Transformers); whereas Japanese cartoons used tricks like doing ONE frame of detailed art and panning the camera over it to create motion, or reusing the same footage for multiple shows (like Speed Racer, and Voltron, etc.).
.... and Grape Ape could totally kick Captain Caveman's ass.
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Actually, that's really not a legacy caused by Voltron. Japanese cartoons and American cartoons found different ways to cut production costs. American cartoons just used crappier animation, they'd use 5 frames instead of 15, or cut down the detail in certain scenes (just think back to GI Joe or Transformers); whereas Japanese cartoons used tricks like doing ONE frame of detailed art and panning the camera over it to create motion, or reusing the same footage for multiple shows (like Speed Racer, and Voltron, etc.).
.... and Grape Ape could totally kick Captain Caveman's ass.
Scoobie Doo would run down the same hallway over and over again.....
And Might Mouse Could stomp a purple mud hole with Grape Ape
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Exactly, the classic "run down the hallway and see the same background over and over" thing.... hell, they probably used the same animation cells each time, why redraw it if you have a run cycle with the whole Mysteries, Inc. gang ready to go?
And not even Mighty Mouse could stand up to El Kabong.
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The reason that you won't see Bumblebee as a VW Bug is because VW won't lend their license to 'war toys' as they've had a "bad image" in the past.
Ever since the Alternators line of Transformers toys came out, that's been one of the most sought after toys. Regretably, it'll never happen.
People wanting this toy have 'kitbashed' their own together, taking Transformer parts and adding pieces of a model kit.
http://www.tfmaster.com/gallery_kb0048.php
Yeah I know of the issue but I thought they would be over it by now. Funny you'd think a german engineered "war machine" that's NOT killing Jews would be good press. ;)
Actually I don't know what the big deal is about liscensing issues. On the old show and the original toy line they got away with it by making the cars almost identical but leaving off any emblems or company logos.
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Voltron was a HORRIBLE show.. down right horrible.
You shut your mouth!
Even more infuriating than that is the legacy it caused. From that point on, every Anime childern's show was required to have this lame gimmick, the gratutious stock footage clips of the gimmick happening and virtually no story or interesting action to be found.
Actually, that's really not a legacy caused by Voltron. Japanese cartoons and American cartoons found different ways to cut production costs. American cartoons just used crappier animation, they'd use 5 frames instead of 15, or cut down the detail in certain scenes (just think back to GI Joe or Transformers); whereas Japanese cartoons used tricks like doing ONE frame of detailed art and panning the camera over it to create motion, or reusing the same footage for multiple shows (like Speed Racer, and Voltron, etc.).
.... and Grape Ape could totally kick Captain Caveman's ass.
That's not what I'm talking about. It's not the fact that they use stock footage, as others have pointed out, american cartoons did that too. It's HOW they used the stock footage. Ok the first few episodes I could see the emerging and merging scenes dragging on for 2 minutes each, after that it's just filler for lack of story. In every other series when they used stock footage people hated it, but apparently if its giant robots doing something you can repeat it over and over and nobody complains. The thing is they used tricks before, but nobody had done it that blatently until then and once the companies knew they could get away with it, they ran.
There is nothing wrong with a series heavy on the action and light on the plot, it's just when it's the latter it has to be UNIQUE action. At least 50 percent of the anime shows now are the gratituous "gimmick" shot which nobody needs to see after the first time.
The only exception of course being the transformation sequence to he-man, for he is he-man and that lightning is frikkin awesome!!! ;D
Regardless that's not the reason that Voltron is inferior to Transformers, it's inferior because of the lack of compelling characters and unique stories. The Transformers weren't shakesphere, but at least in each episode they has a different problem, went different places and found a different solution. Again it's a cute show, especially when you are 6... I've still got my 24 inch voltron around here somewhere. There's no way I could sit through an episode today though, not a single one. In comparison I recently got through watching the entire transformers g1 series, and although they definately seemed less sophisticated then I remembered, I still enjoyed watching every single show.
Oh and even quickdraw himself tembles at the sight of the mighty planet-sized Orson Wells... err I mean Unicron.
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the rumor is that VW doesn't want their cars to have guns or be associated with war of any kind, which is why Bumblebee is going to be a camero, one of the new, unreleased cameros. Its a horrible choice of bumblebee since he was basically the gay transformer, they should of used a mini cooper, focus, neon or some other small econo car for him. Sideswipe would of been the best character to use the new camero on.
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Yeah, I can agree with you there, Howard. I've got the first season of the Transformers on dvd, plus the animated movie, and I can still sit and watch them on a lazy hangover sunday... I think Voltron might be filled with too much cheese. But if you don't get pumped when you hear the Voltron theme song (http://www.retrojunk.com/details_theme/133/), well, you suck (...and another reason why Peter Cullen rocks).
Galactus would totally eat Unicron.
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It's my understanding that bumblebee is going to be in the flick but he is NOT going to be a VW bug. Is this guy THAT dense? That's how bumblebee got his name, he's a yellow VW "bug" with black trim.
There is a demolition derby type game called Flat Out and in the original screen shots of the game had a VW bug, but in the final version of the game the VW bug was removed. The Germans didn't allow it. It could be the same thing with this movie. A Superbee or some other classic Mopar (like a Dart) with tail stripes would make a great Bumble Bee.
Hopefully the toys for the movie stink, because I have enough nonsense littering my house, I don't want to be adding to the pile.
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Heathcliff FTW w00t
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Heres some pictures of the new Bumblebee on this site. I was going to just upload the pictures here, but apparently some sites are getting in legal trouble for putting them online so I figured it best to just link to another site.
http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?p=234
towards the end of the page you can see bumblebee in robot mode. They also say “Starscream” is going to be an F-22 Raptor, and “Optimus Prime” is going to be a fire truck, but without pics to back it up, who knows.
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Thanks for the pics atom smasher! Someone will probably get fired/prosecuted for the bumblebee robot shot...
Bumblee now gts to be an ass kickin v-8 now. Woo hoo!
The camaro looks great
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I don't really see why they would need VW's permission. If I'm making an independant film I can have people driving Jettas eating Cheerios and playing a Gamecube, and if that movie is picked up by a studio after a successful run at the festivals VW, General Mills and Nintendo aren't owed anything. I can understand that they might need VW's permission to make an action figure, but companies don't get paid for product placement in a film. It's the other way around.
I'm not saying they DON'T need VW's permission, as I'm not a lawyer. I'm just saying that my gut is telling me they don't need their permission.
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Then why do they always use fake cereal boxes and soda cans on TV? Is that different?
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towards the end of the page you can see bumblebee in robot mode. They also say
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Like I said before, from the pics that have been leaked, it looks like he is a truck with flames painted on, not a fire truck.
You may have noticed that I'm the one that posted the link to the pics of Optimus Prime on the first page :P
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I can understand that they might need VW's permission to make an action figure, but companies don't get paid for product placement in a film. It's the other way around.
VW didn't want a mock bug in a game that involved it being smashed up, so they'd probably frown on a car created for the Nazis walking around with a gun.
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I'm pretty sure Zod could eat Grimlock.
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Then why do they always use fake cereal boxes and soda cans on TV? Is that different?
They don't always. They often use real products, especially in independent films (probably because they don't have the budget to have new product packaging created)
In marketing it is done, not because they cannot show another product's label, but because showing a competing product's label in your commercial is free advertising. In fact, in one country (it seems like it's Austria) a company created an extremely successful laundry detergent called Ordinary Laundry Detergent because all the name brand laundry detergents have commercials that go, "Ordinary Laundry Detergent . . . blah blah blah, but with [Name Brand] detergent . . . blah blah blah"
In movies they do it because they like to sell product placement, and if a company doesn't pay them for something that they perceive to have value they aren't going to give it to them for free. It is not illegal to depict someone using a product that would be used in real life. They couldn't use the VW name to promote their movie (without paying VW), but just using their product is not enough to owe royalties or need permission for.
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It's enough to owe royalties when they want to make a line of toys based on the movie, however.
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Yeppers, I think loosely the laws says that you can show whatever you want, until the minute that you try making money off of what you have shown. SO, yeah they can put a VW, but they can't use it in toys, in advertisements, on any merchandise, etc. It's a big downer for a film that is so toy friendly.
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Well, just for a bit of perspective here, this is *one* particular autobot out of the whole range of cybertronians. So long as they don't make them a main character then not having a toy of it to sell isn't really going to cost them anything. :-\
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As an offshoot of your perspective, if they don't make them a main character, who cares what it looks like?
And I really can't see them *not* putting in Bumblebee, at least it sounds like they're building a bit of a backstory (smashed up and then rebuilt, even if the car that gets destroyed wasn't a VW) to explain it.
Kinda makes me say "screw you VW", since in the end that's what it all comes down to.
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As an offshoot of your perspective, if they don't make them a main character, who cares what it looks like?
Fans. Jabba is a great example of people complaining about how terrible he looked in the new movies even though he wasn't a main character. If you don't really care about how faithful the movie is to the cartoon that's fine, but as I said they can't expect the fanboys to spruke the film based on their love of the cartoon, if the film has little to do with the cartoon barring it's name.
For example, Asimov fans didn't line the streets for "I, Robot", and most HHGTTG fans I've talked to thought the TV series was funnier than the McMovie version. But, to each their own, so long as they don't try to sell it to me by pretending it's something else...
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I doubt hardcore fans of the Transformers are going to skip seeing the movie because they had to make Bumblebee into another car due to licensing issues. And if any of them did, they're obviously unstable enough to be better off hidden away from public interaction.
And, personally, I loved the HHGTTG movie, and I've been a fan of the books (and DNA in general) for nearly 20 years. But I know when to let go of niggling minutae and enjoy a movie adaptation for what it is.
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Some of you are missing the point. The fear is't that, "Oh no! Bumblebee isn't a VW." The fear is that we only have little bits of info about the movie here and there and EVERY little bit we have received so far points to a major stray from the Transformers universe. Optimus is unrecognizable. Bumblee isn't a beetle. No shrinking. The fear is that famously hack director Michael Bay isn't just ruining Bumblebee, he's ruining the entire movie and Bumblebee is merely one example.
Obviously it could turn out brilliant. When people first heard that Spidey's web slinging would be CG or when we first saw leaked pics of the Batmobile in Batman Begins we had similar concerns, but those films turned out great. Of course, they were both being directed by great directors and Transformers is being directed by a moron.
We'll see, I suppose.
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I personally love the idea of bumblebee being the new camaro. I also agree that if that is really Optimus, then he looks stupid. In this day & age, it wouldn't surprise me if they intentionally leaked the pic of Optimus to see what the internet community thought. If the reaction is harsh enough, they may redo his paint job.
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New on set video: http://video.accesshollywood.com/v/?linkId=25436
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who is the kid?
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who is the kid?
Pretty good actor from the few movies I've seen him in. The first time I saw him, he was the star of the movie being made in the show Project Greenlight
Shia LaBeouf
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0479471/
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Damnit, beat me to it.
who is the kid?
That's Shia LaBeouf. Funny kid.
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0479471/
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oh that kid...thanks
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I sure hope these machines are emissions friendly. No need to stir up the hippies.
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Is that the Camero that's playing Bumblebee?
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think so
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Super Go-Bots
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ons0RxjfObI
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I sure hope these machines are emissions friendly. No need to stir up the hippies.
Actually somewhere around season 3 of the transformers one of the decepticons is hunting an autobot and makes a comment like "Autobots must be here I can detect their exhaust a mile, away... so clean." so even back in the day autobots were emissions free and decepticons were intentionally polluters. This might explain why the decepts were always looking for fuel, and the autobots weren't.
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Some of you are missing the point. The fear is't that, "Oh no! Bumblebee isn't a VW." The fear is that we only have little bits of info about the movie here and there and EVERY little bit we have received so far points to a major stray from the Transformers universe. Optimus is unrecognizable. Bumblee isn't a beetle. No shrinking. The fear is that famously hack director Michael Bay isn't just ruining Bumblebee, he's ruining the entire movie and Bumblebee is merely one example.
Obviously it could turn out brilliant. When people first heard that Spidey's web slinging would be CG or when we first saw leaked pics of the Batmobile in Batman Begins we had similar concerns, but those films turned out great. Of course, they were both being directed by great directors and Transformers is being directed by a moron.
We'll see, I suppose.
Agreed. The pic of bumblebees car mode(s) seem very acceptable to me considering the legal difficulties. But I find the robot mode to be particularly disturbing. It looks nothing like bumblebee! Maybe somebody should give this hack a clue they are robots in disguise, not cars that can turn into robots. Transformers are robots with a shell of a disguise. They don't have real engines and pistons ect.... If they did, they would take up so much room that there wouldn't be any space for the robot part. Which is very evident by that pic... poor old bumblebee looks very spindlely and fragile when he should be kinda beefy and stout. Kinda reminds me of a gobot actually, they always looked kinda gay in robot mode as well, like a pre-school toy (which ironically they were later re-classified as). Also the face looked very unhuman. The thing that made the transformers relateable was their very human faces. Looks like they get cold, 1960's robot faces in this flick.
Also the vid somebody posted was kinda cheesy. Not the robots mind you, the constructicon and bumblebee performed well, but the kids acting was upstaged by props! Mind you spike was a major tool in the cartoon so maybe it'll work, but the way that scene was shot it seemed like that the movie is going to be human centered and not robot centered. We don't need another yoshi from tmnt 2 fiasco. If the movie is about turtles shoot the turtles, if the movie is about robots shoot the robots.
Oh and the batman begins thing. Hate to get off-topic but I don't care what people say, that movie wasn't great, it was just better than the last two (which is like saying food tastes better than a turd). Batmobile ruined it, the fact that Ray AlGhoul wasn't immortal and all "lazarus pitty" ruined an opportunity to make him the sole feature villain rather than the scarecrow, who wasn't featured enough and wasn't scary, which excuse me is why they call him the scarecrow. Plus ray is a real hi-tier villain, he's kind of like the apocolypse of the batman universe, to put him in the first film is kind of like... well putting apocolypse in the first xmen film. Of course they put the joker in the first original batman film too and that essentially ruined the series at the beginning. I mean how can you top the joker?
The original two batman films had teriffic directing and visuals but horrible casting (batman in particular). Batman begins has teriffic casting but horrible visuals and directing. We just forget this because of the schlock that was batman and robin and batman forever. Batman and batman returns looked like a comic book come to life, while batman begins looks like a lame "scifi channel original" style rip-off of those two films.
In both cases the reason the flicks weren't perfect is because they both diverted from the batman universe too much. Which is what worries me about this...... the transformers are very easy to screw up. Giant robots is a cheesy cliche, the only thing that made it good was the intersting backstory (which judging by the mars trailer has been thrown out the window) with interesting characters we became familair with (again so far we haven't seen anything familair) that looked really cool and made for cool looking toys (crap we are batting 0 for 3 here).
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Howard, is there anything that would actually make you happy? Talk about the glass being half empty. ::)
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Howard, is there anything that would actually make you happy? Talk about the glass being half empty. ::)
I think long rants make him happy, which is why he does them so often ;D
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i like the long rants it gives me something to read. but next time more pictures and less words.
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http://www.rottentomatoes.com/news/comments/?entryid=355214
"Writers Alex Kurtzman and Roberto Orci (who previously teamed to write "The Island," "Mission: Impossible III" and more) showed up on Yahoo to answer fan questions about the beloved 80s cartoon-turned-blockbuster, which will hit theaters on July 4, 2007.
Some of the characters they cited to appear in the movie:
Autobots:
Optimus Prime
Bumblebee -- scout
Jazz
Ratchet -- a medical officer; in the cartoon, he was an ambulance; in the movie, he'll be some kind of emergency vehicle
Ironhide -- a tough soldier; classic cowboy; Optimus' oldest friend
Autobot Human:
Spike
Decepticons:
Megatron
Starscream -- obeys Megatron, but wants to overthrow him
Brawl -- an extremely pissed off Decepticon
Bonecrusher -- closest thing to a constructicon; hates all other Decepticons except Megatron
Barricade -- hunter of the group, scouting for Autobots; transforms to cop car as an ironic symbol of authority
Scorponok
Frenzy -- a smaller form, able to infiltrate around you and not be seen -- a "stealth spy"; can hide under desks
Blackout -- takes out the ability to fight back; hits electronics (EMP); is the biggest vehicle, transports other Decepticons
Fear not, if these characters (or the entire "Transformers" world) are not familiar to you; Orci and Kurtzman promise that the story will be accessible to the uninitiated while staying loyal to the legions of fans. They also say the story will be told through the eyes of its human characters, who are witnessing the intergalactic Autobot-Decepticon war come abruptly to Earth.
For more of the Q&A, check out the webcast here. (http://movies.yahoo.com/feature/transformers.html)"
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Megatron revealed:
http://www.tformers.com/article.php?sid=6418&mode=flat
I think I'll speak for everyone when I say BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOoooooooooooooooooooooooooo!
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I've also seen the blackout model laid out the same way your megatron pic is. Its my opinion that the robots are too "busy". There are no definable details in them. This was my problem with the baddies in the 2nd pirates of the caribean. What is the deal with the face that's not really a face? It looks like some of the random doodles I do in the margins of paper when I'm bored. I've heard that they have got the transformation mode down to 4 seconds. WTF is so cool about that??? You won't even be able to see any detail in that time span. It'll just be a big jumble of ---steaming pile of meadow muffin--- and then all the sudden a robot is standing there. I was not at all impressed with their transforming letters in the teaser trailer.
I would much rather have seen them do the robots pretty much just like the show, but in realistic 3d. Who gives a ---steaming pile of meadow muffin--- about the "realistic" transformation effect. The story is already completely unrealistic...just make it look cool and it will be a much better product.
And that is my rant for the day...
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I would much rather have seen them do the robots pretty much just like the show, but in realistic 3d. Who gives a ---Cleveland steamer--- about the "realistic" transformation effect. The story is already completely unrealistic...just make it look cool and it will be a much better product.
I agree 100%
The whole "scale" thing is such ---That which is odiferous and causeth plants to grow---. These are giant robots from another effing planet, and the fact that a giant robot turns into a normal-sized gun is the unbelieveable part? Give me a freakin' break.
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I would have loved to have seen the decepticon with the cassette tape chest. Just to see all the kids in the audience say "what was that guy?".
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That's so retarded. WTF? They're supposed to be robots in disguise. What is that thing Megatron is transforming into? Yeah, nobody's going to think twice when they see that flying around.
Dumb.
Dumb.
Dumb.
Michael Bay is worse than Uwe Boll.
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Michael Bay is worse than Uwe Boll.
I was gonnna say that was stretching it, but considering Uwe Boll operates on a $20 million budget, and Michael Bay operates on a $100 million + budget, and both of their end products is still near the bottom of the rotten tomato meter, I'll have to agree with you. ;D
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Yeah, but at least Michael Bay isn't a ---tallywhacker--- about it though. That Uwe Boll is an ---uvula---.
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Yeah, but at least Michael Bay isn't a ---tallywhacker--- about it though. That Uwe Boll is an ---uvula---.
I'd say most people have no clue what he is like. His movies are so horrible, why would anyone want to meet the guy. I still find it amazing that movie companies are willing to throw money at him. He should be paying THEM (and us) for the right to make movies.
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I don't know. If he had stuck to fluff like Armegeddon and Bad Boys, but when he suggests that he's recreating the battle at Pearl Harbor with historical accuracy I'd say that's treading dangerously close to the line that separates ---punks--- from non----punks---. :)
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I don't see him challenging his critics to a ---smurfing--- boxing match. That's my point.
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but when he suggests that he's recreating the battle at Pearl Harbor with historical accuracy I'd say that's treading dangerously close to the line that separates ---punks--- from non----punks---. :)
...or bragging that he is realistically transforming big, ugly, artsy fartsy blobs of metal into big, ugly product placements...
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Yeah I read about that boxing match thing. That was hilarious. If you only heard about it I seriously recommend tracking down the actual press release. It's surreal. Absolutely ---smurfing--- crazy.
And then, just the other day I saw a picture of him on IMDB.com and immediately thought to myself THAT GUY is challenging random people to a boxing match?
But in the end he seemed to be a decent sport. From what I remember you'd box him, but you'd also get to appear in his movie, which is kinda cool even if the movie is going to suck ass. And he's paying for your airfare and hotel for the whole ordeal. I'd imagine that a lot of people jumped at the offer, frankly.
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? megatron has fallen on hard times i guess.
hes an alien jet but he cant be a frigging gun? im going to see the movie but damn him.
excuse me while i drown out my crying with the cartoon movie from the 80s..........................................hours later great movie. even after watching it 2 times in a row i still love it.
anyway he has no right to deform my beloved transformers. id get it if soundwave was an ipod or something but megatron is either a gun, cannon, or tank. otherwise he would be in the seeker corps which would mean someone else would be in charge? like you said they are alien robots from a planet that is a machine (unless you go by best machines but thats different) so they should be able to mass shift.
and they should have it go by the orig series. transformers (as far as we know) have never been to mars. so why would they be there. they wouldnt. they would be in the nemesis blowing the hull plating off the ark. then they plummet into earths atmosphere and into my dreams.....true happiness. ;D
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From what I remember you'd box him, but you'd also get to appear in his movie, which is kinda cool even if the movie is going to suck ass. And he's paying for your airfare and hotel for the whole ordeal. I'd imagine that a lot of people jumped at the offer, frankly.
Heres an update on the boxing matches, they now have a list of whos fighting him.
http://www.rottentomatoes.com/news/comments/?entryid=356343
"GoldenPalace.com Presents Raging Boll
The challengers are:
Carlos Palencia Jim
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Oh my, Megatron isn't a gun? Whoever would have guessed that?!?
The paint job doesn't really bother me either, since those things can be fixed in post if it doesn't work. What I can't wait for is the outcry when people finally twig that Megatron will have to be changed since they aren't doing the whole "giant robot shrinks to walkman" thing...
(http://images.despair.com/products/demotivators/pretension.jpg)
;D
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Yeah, but jbox, seeing something with your own eyes and being told about it by a know-it-all nerd are two different things entirely.
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Megatron revealed:
http://www.tformers.com/article.php?sid=6418&mode=flat
I think I'll speak for everyone when I say BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOoooooooooooooooooooooooooo!
I'm sure this design is supposed to impress his arthouse friends by being all original and crap. That would be all well and good if it weren't a lame ripoff of the characters in [Gyver] (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0101988/).
I can tell by now that he's decided to vary greatly from the original story arc... which is a BAD idea. The transformers aren't some kind of magical robots that can transform into anything, they are customized, traditional robots who have been retro-fitted with disguises. That's why it takes a big-frikkin super computer to give them a new disguise, they are just robots.
The way old megs is designed there it appears he is trying to make them some sort of self-contained re-configurable robot. This wouldn't bother me except for the fact that the excuse of not being realistic was used to justify the alt-mode changes due to size issues. A robot that can magically re-configure it's body into anything, that's the most unrealisitic thing I've ever heard.
Why do directors that get to work on a well-established franchise always say b.s. like "I'm not really familiar with the franchise myself but it doesn't matter because I plan to re-invision the whole franchise." ? I for one am sick of it. Here's an idea gents, when you have a valuable property that you wish to get made into a movie, why not let the people that actually had a hand at making the franchise so popular make the movie? You know Transformers the animated movie was only made 30 years ago, all the people involved couldn't be dead. Get them to write a script, or at the very least be in charge of character design.
I've seen power ranger villains that looked more intersting than that megatron design... he just looks like "generic anime-inspired cyborg # 12" and from what I've seen of the others, they look the same save some car-parts glued to their sides.
On a random side-note tangent, cybertron was never assumed to be a totally organic planet on the original series. The quintacons (sp?) built cyberton so it could be assumed that they started with a much smaller, organic planetoid and built up. The beast wars and beast machine story lines are actually considered to be a part of the original transformers story arc.
Now in the comics, it is hinted at that primus (original autobot) once had the entire planet of cyberton as a body, much like unicron. There are ways to fit this into the main, series cannon though, but I won't bore you with em.
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Crap rip-offs will continue to be made so long as people will continue to pay money to see them... ::)
Having said that, even involving the original people wont magically assure that the movie is consistant with the "canon" of the theme, like Serenity, or not just really lame, like Legend of the Rangers. :banghead:
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Crap rip-offs will continue to be made so long as people will continue to pay money to see them... ::)
Having said that, even involving the original people wont magically assure that the movie is consistant with the "canon" of the theme, like Serenity, or not just really lame, like Legend of the Rangers. :banghead:
The original canon of Serenity consisted of all of 14 episodes...not alot of "canon" to muck with there. And from what I saw of it, it was pretty damn consistant with the show, and I watched them back to back. What am I apparently missing here?
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Agreed, that comparison doesn't make any sense considering the ONLY thing they changed in serenity was making new Haven a full fledged town instead of a single whore house with tin-foil on it. The only reason that flick didn't do so well is because If I were to judge by the previews, I would have thought it was a stand-alone re-hash rather than the grand finale of the series. As usual poor marketing was Wheadons downfall.
Legend of the Rangers doesn't fall into this category either as it's a spin-off direct to dvd miniseries of Babylon 5 rather than a sequel. The actual b5 movies (containing the original cast) are quite good considering. On a personal note, I like B5 but I never could understand how an obvious rip-off of star trek (particularly ds9) could have survived as long as it did.
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I thought they did a good job with the farscape mini series.
And I thought B5 was really good (although I haven't seen it in 5+ years, so my memory could be off). It was pretty unique how the entire show was written start to finish before the first episode was even filmed. I wish more shows did it like that, it keeps the story really good throughout and keeps them from jumping the shark (assuming they don't milk the cash cow with mini-series and movies, which they did).
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I thought they did a good job with the farscape mini series.
And I thought B5 was really good (although I haven't seen it in 5+ years, so my memory could be off). It was pretty unique how the entire show was written start to finish before the first episode was even filmed. I wish more shows did it like that, it keeps the story really good throughout and keeps them from jumping the shark (assuming they don't milk the cash cow with mini-series and movies, which they did).
One more reply then we should be back on topic.
Actually I think that was a weakness, not a strength. While other sci-fi shows would become very topical in times of war or political unrest, b5 was stuck in it's own little bubble. It was good writing but seemed more like a slow-reading novel than a fluid tv-series. Being other-worldly is good, but being so disjointed with current events that you look superficial is bad. You are right, b5 never reduced in quality the duration of it's run. The problem is the quality was only slightly above average to begin with.
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DS9 is based on B5, not the other way around. JMS went to them asking for money and got told it was a terrible story that would never work. Then they paid someone else to "dumb it down" to a more "alien of the week" format and thus was DS9 born. And c'mon, *ghosts*? What happened to the deathly doorway thing? The 3D room was cool, but why isn't the PILOT in that room?!? He's the guy trying to dodge the asteroids, even if that doesn't give us a chance to get top-down cleavage shots. Not to mention that changeling nets are MASSIVELY DANGEROUS. That's why every other criminal doesn't have one, even the ones working for big governments like the Centauri-Drakh enclave who have a vested interest in making their agents appear as other races. Switching it on for a minute to send the message to save our life, fine. Walking onto the bridge to impress the chicks while your organs are rapidly boiling into mush...
It is also a myth that B5 never changed throughout the years. Sinclair was originally playing all of the great roles, commander, presidant and then eventually Valen. Watch the first season with that in mind and you will see that was the plan all along (eg. his babe is a solo explorer that likes to do high-risk survey missions on the outer rim...). They brought in Sheridan to basically "punch up the show", and subsequently the triangle philosophy got pumped up to make up for it.
And sure, with only 14 episodes to deal with it is pretty hard to ---fudgesicle--- it up. Yet it turns out our "dirt is icky" city-slicking "babe in the woods" doctor happened to cooly walk into one of the most secure facilities in the Alliance and rescues the slayer. And when she points a gun at everyone in the hold that time, *that* didn't seem like a moment you might use a safe-word? Then all of a sudden, despite the bond that had grown between them, they are kicking the doc out because "he aint one of us". And Jayne, the man who sold them out to the feds, is?!? Then, despite the fact that the further out you go the less alliance ships there are, our operative somehow has an entire fleet of ships all out there to destroy all of your safe havens, but can't set up a simple drag net? Those are just the inconsistancies of the movie, don't get me started on rabid zombie cave men that also sit down for a nice earl grey and operate space ships for ---galactic language--- sake.
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I roll 20's biyatch.
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\begin{geek}
DS9 is based on B5, not the other way around. JMS went to them asking for money and got told it was a terrible story that would never work. Then they paid someone else to "dumb it down" to a more "alien of the week" format and thus was DS9 born. And c'mon, *ghosts*? What happened to the deathly doorway thing? The 3D room was cool, but why isn't the PILOT in that room?!? He's the guy trying to dodge the asteroids, even if that doesn't give us a chance to get top-down cleavage shots. Not to mention that changeling nets are MASSIVELY DANGEROUS. That's why every other criminal doesn't have one, even the ones working for big governments like the Centauri-Drakh enclave who have a vested interest in making their agents appear as other races. Switching it on for a minute to send the message to save our life, fine. Walking onto the bridge to impress the chicks while your organs are rapidly boiling into mush...
It is also a myth that B5 never changed throughout the years. Sinclair was originally playing all of the great roles, commander, presidant and then eventually Valen. Watch the first season with that in mind and you will see that was the plan all along (eg. his babe is a solo explorer that likes to do high-risk survey missions on the outer rim...). They brought in Sheridan to basically "punch up the show", and subsequently the triangle philosophy got pumped up to make up for it.
And sure, with only 14 episodes to deal with it is pretty hard to ---fudgesicle--- it up. Yet it turns out our "dirt is icky" city-slicking "babe in the woods" doctor happened to cooly walk into one of the most secure facilities in the Alliance and rescues the slayer. And when she points a gun at everyone in the hold that time, *that* didn't seem like a moment you might use a safe-word? Then all of a sudden, despite the bond that had grown between them, they are kicking the doc out because "he aint one of us". And Jayne, the man who sold them out to the feds, is?!? Then, despite the fact that the further out you go the less alliance ships there are, our operative somehow has an entire fleet of ships all out there to destroy all of your safe havens, but can't set up a simple drag net? Those are just the inconsistancies of the movie, don't get me started on rabid zombie cave men that also sit down for a nice earl grey and operate space ships for ---galactic language--- sake.
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I roll 20's biyatch.
...man, I'm glad I got a life and gave up Star Wars...I could be you!! :laugh2: :laugh2:
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...man, I'm glad I got a life and gave up Star Wars...I could be you!! :laugh2: :laugh2:
Oh, don't even get me started on the star wars prequals. :blah: :blah: :blah: :blah: :blah: :blah: :blah: :blah:
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For the record b5 is indeed a rip-off of ds9. Ds9 was in the planning stages loooong before it ever was realized. See it was one of Gene's pet projects before he died. The spin-off was being planned as early as 1991 and it was farily pubic knowledge about the plot inside hollywood, including some of the writers of b5 who also wrote episodes for TNG. And b5 is schlock compared to most sci-fi series... you can throw as many preachy words as you want into a sci-fi script, but without compelling action then it's crap.
I have no clue why you are complaining about serenity. The plot made perfect sense save a little bit of steriods injected into the action to make it large enough for the silver screen. It came out true to the series and nit-piking it apart on really minor plot holes (Which aren't plot holes, you just see them that way, but I'm not so much of a geek that I feel like arguing with you over.) is rather sillly considering it was nothing short of a miracle that wheadon even got the chance to wrap up the story.
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And sure, with only 14 episodes to deal with it is pretty hard to ---fudgesicle--- it up. Yet it turns out our "dirt is icky" city-slicking "babe in the woods" doctor happened to cooly walk into one of the most secure facilities in the Alliance and rescues the slayer. And when she points a gun at everyone in the hold that time, *that* didn't seem like a moment you might use a safe-word? Then all of a sudden, despite the bond that had grown between them, they are kicking the doc out because "he aint one of us". And Jayne, the man who sold them out to the feds, is?!? Then, despite the fact that the further out you go the less alliance ships there are, our operative somehow has an entire fleet of ships all out there to destroy all of your safe havens, but can't set up a simple drag net? Those are just the inconsistancies of the movie, don't get me started on rabid zombie cave men that also sit down for a nice earl grey and operate space ships for ---galactic language--- sake.\end{end}
I roll 20's biyatch.
Well, it was said from the start of the series that Doc rescued his sister from the ultra-secure facility, how did you think he did it? Sunshine and farts?
Doc always kept himself seperate from most of the crew intentionally and they knew from day one that Jayne was all about the money and his selling out was of Doc and River, not the whole crew.
The Alliance wanted River back in a HUGE way, I don't see getting a half-dozen attack ships as being a difficult thing for the operative when they already showed him commanding a battle cruiser. And exactly how do you set up a drag net in space? It's not like they were trying to leave the country through an international airport and you could pass out pictures at customs.
Rabid zombie cave me piloting ships-it was never said that they lost their intelligence, just their humanity. They even explained how they made new ones by forcing them to watch the raping and torture and killing until their humanity was gone.
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I just found this thread, based on the subject line. Transformers movie! Cool! That's what's being discussed at the top of the thread, anyway. Then I get sick of reading and skip to the bottom. Now we're on Serentiy/Firefly continuity. WTF? You fockers are all over the place. :)
And for the record, Serenity is -- in my opinion of course -- the best (that is, most "faithful") TV-show-turned-into-movie I've ever seen. It plays just like an episode of the show, only better.
As for the Transformers, anything Michael Bay touches inevitably becomes nothing more than summer blockbuster shallow sellout schlock. The Transformers movie will suck unholy ass and we all know it. It's a bummer, but hey you can always go to the closet and pull out your old toys and make up your own story. Autobots to the rescue!
Eric.
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I just found this thread, based on the subject line. Transformers movie! Cool! That's what's being discussed at the top of the thread, anyway. Then I get sick of reading and skip to the bottom. Now we're on Serentiy/Firefly continuity. WTF? You fockers are all over the place. :)
Yeah, I can't believe I unleashed this unholy evil upon EE by starting this thread. I was so naieve that I thought a transformers topic would consist posts that were 1 paragraph in length or less....now it contains debates as long as the ones found on P&R. :timebomb: