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Main => Everything Else => Topic started by: duffjr on January 04, 2006, 02:09:17 am
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I'm guessing 38-21 USC and nothing special to happen.
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I could barely care less about college football but I'll watch this one. I don't care who wins, though I'm a bit biased against USC because Pete Carroll did such a loser job with the Patriots.
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Is this anything like "gridiron"?
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Texas baby, USC is the most over hyped team of the last 5 years.
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I thought Pete Carroll did a loser job with the Jets?
Art
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If he was ever head coach of the Jets, I'm sure he was a loser there too, but he definitely did a loser job with the Patriots. Look it up if you don't believe me.
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What are you guys talking about? The championship is over, Ohio State won. Oh, you're all talking about the conselation game. ;D I have to root for Texas in this one. 31-28 Longhorns in a game that will feature a great final ten minutes.
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I almost never watch college football but for some reason watched the Orange Bowl last night.
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If he was ever head coach of the Jets, I'm sure he was a loser there too, but he definitely did a loser job with the Patriots. Look it up if you don't believe me.
Oh, he was the head coach. Went 6-10.
He went 27-21 for the pats. not JETS Bad.
Art
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He took over a disciplined Patriots organization, LOADED with talent, recently rebuilt by Bill Parcells and having just been to a Super Bowl.
The Patriots had a successively worse record in each of his three years there.
He destroyed the discipline of the organization, letting players make their own rules, letting talented coaches go, and basically pissing away the core of having Bledsoe, Ben Coates, and Curtis Martin (that's three hall of fame skill players) all in their prime at the same time.
He did as bad a job as a coach could possibly do.
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I argue that he was suckier for the Jets. You argue he was suckier for the Pats.
titty!
Art
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He was never more than an interim coach for the Jets anyway.
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After two great games that were great to watch--WVa./UGA and PSU/FSU--this one has a lot to live up to. But, it never hurts to add a few wagers to make a game more interesting.... ;)
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Slightly off topic.
Even though Carroll did wreck the Patriots, you have to repsect what he is doing with USC. I enjoyed when he coached the Pats because my team could actually beat them then, now I regularly get my arse kicked, with the exception of last weekend ( although all their 1st stringers and some 2nd stringers left after the first couple series to play some golf, I'm a Miami fan. I don't reall see NE going to Indy and winning, although they do play real tough, some nagging injuries could cost them. I'm going with Indy and Washington in the SB, 38-21 Indy...
Cheers,
Tim
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Even though Carroll did wreck the Patriots, you have to repsect what he is doing with USC.
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Even though Carroll did wreck the Patriots, you have to repsect what he is doing with USC.
No I don't, and here is why:
I care about the state of the Patriots and I do not care about the state of USC. Thus, since I do not care about USC, I have no reason to respect what he has done there. Hell, I almost went to USC and don't care about USC.
You have a seriously different opinion from me on the success someone has created in a program. I'm not a fan of USC either, I'm not a fan of NE, but that does not prevent me from respecting what Bill Belichik did in resurrecting a program that was on a serious decline. You have every right to not like Carroll from for what he did to the NE program, but his accomplishment at another programs speak for them selves. Lets use this as a hypothetical example. I would assume you are a fan of Bill Parcells, he made great strides with NE, but not nearly as good with Dallas, although he is improving their chances, but not at the rate he resurrected NE, does that detract on your feelings that he did a good job at NE.......he did good at NE but not a Dallas, does that make you lose respect for him, do that in reverse for Carroll. Another example, I think Jimmy Johnson did a horrible job with MIA, but I still repect what he did in Dallas no matter how much I dislike him now.
Cheers,
Tim
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It's simple:
When Parcells got to NE they already had great talent on offense.
When Parcells got to Dallas they had nothing.
Takes a bit longer with nothing.
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Even Simpler...
When Parcells got to Dallas, they arleady had a great defense.
When Parcells got to NE, they had nothing.
Tim
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NE did have a pretty decent defense headed up by Vincent Brown who was a multiple time pro bowler. He then brought in guys like Willie McGinest, who, BTW, is still kicking ass for the Patriots a decade later.
Parcells has actually done a better job with Dallas than he did with the Pats. What were they, like 3-13 the previous three years and he took them to a winning team his very first season? That's insanely good.
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Good, yes....insanely good....I don't know about that. Remember, during that time that Dallas made the playoff run, I believe '03, they were in a weak division with the exception of Philly. In the same breath, everyone in S Fla is singing praise to Nick Saban, while I think he will be a very good coach, finishing well in a relatively weak division does not impress me. Regardless you have something to be proud of in NE and you better hope Brushci gets better, you guys are lost without him
Cheers,
Tim
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If Parcells can't get some better offensive linemen here in Dallas in won't matter what he does offensively or defensively. Oh, our kickers are ---steaming pile of meadow muffin--- too.
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Stop signing guys from the XFL and that won't happen.
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Stop signing guys from the XFL and that won't happen.
haha......he should pick up Rob Smart ( AKA, He Hate Me )
Tim
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I have a poster of Rod Smart in his XFL uniform on the wall in my basement.
You do know that Rod Smart is still in the NFL, yes?
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Yeh,
I think he was actually the only player to have a career in the NFL, Carolina I believe, I also thin Tommy Maddox ( backup Pitt QB ) came from the XFL
Tim
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Quite a few players made it to the NFL from the XFL, actually... Maddox being the best of them, but he was in the NFL before the XFL too.
The reason I made the joke is that Jose Cortez, one of the kickers you were complaining about, was an XFL player too.
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Well, that was Mark complaining....its seems kickers aren't as good as they used to be in the past in general.
Tim
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Tell that to someone who doesn't get to watch Adam Vinatieri every week.
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AV having a good year even though his numbers are actually down, hard to maintain the level of performance. Although the main reason is Mr. Brady is slingin the ball into the endzone some AV doesn't get a whole lot of FG opprutunities, not that thats a bad thing.
Tim
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As a kicker myself, I'll tell you one important thing about kicking:
It's not about how many kicks you make, it's about which ones you make.
No one will care that you led the league in field goals if you missed the 5% of them that would have been game winning kicks.
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True, true.....
guess your lifetime avg could be below the avg, but if you made that game winning triple overtime kick from 65 yrds in the superbowl, that's all anyone would rememeber.
Tim
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That is what Scott Norwood will tell you if you can find him to ask.
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lol..thats a name from the past.....that game was so buffalo'es....don't quite know the plural for that one. I think is new alias is Scott No-Wood. He was cut the following season I believe.
Tim
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The whole Petey Carrol situation comes down to:
He can control 18 year old kids on scholarship, whilst adults making millions tell him to eat their ass cause he's a pansie girlyman
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As a kicker myself, I'll tell you one important thing about kicking:
It's not about how many kicks you make, it's about which ones you make.
No one will care that you led the league in field goals if you missed the 5% of them that would have been game winning kicks.
Just make 100% of your kicks and you're all covered.
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Yeah, that happens.
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What do you think Bowden thinks of kickers in general? ;D Also, a coach who has done an insanely good job in the NFL is Marvin Lewis. Parcells has man boobs. :P
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We have to wait a couple of years to see if Marvin Lewis can sustain that success, though. So far he's had one really good season with huge talent on the roster.
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Hook 'em
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HOLY F'ING SHITE!!!!!!!!!
DO YOU BELIEVE THAT F'ING GAME?
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What a game!!!!!!!!!
An instant classic!
And I'm not even a Longhorns fan!
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wooooooot go horns...
great game...
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Does anyone have a Tivo'd copy of the game?
In particular, the last touchdown scored in the corner of the end zone by Vince Young?
I do believe his feet never actually were in the end zone. The TV only showed the shot from the correct viewing angle to see this for a moment, and no one else seemed to pick it up.
Someone out there gimme a video or screencap to prove me right or wrong!
(I was cheering on Texas, but I gotta know if my eyes are deceiving me!)
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I don't remember about his feet, but the only thing that has to cross the plain is the ball, and the plain extends forever. I hate to say it, but go Texas.
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ditto......the goal line never stops....TD...
Tim
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Yeah, I just watched some replies in hopes to see the one camera angle, and of course they dont show it.
But on the other touchdowns they gave it to them even though the playeres feet were off in the Red area, which in my mind was out of bounds on the side of the field. I guess its not though. I'll default to the refs.
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Does anyone have a Tivo'd copy of the game?
Yes, haven't even watched most of it yet.
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I hate Texas. People from Texas don't consider themselves Americans. They consider themselves Texans, which is far superior than being an American. I'd wish they'd sucede from the Union if it weren't for their seemingly disproportionate amount of cheesecake. Cheesecake with a superiority complex I can deal with.
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Texas is the Quebec of the US.
I'd love to see anyone sucede, just to see it done. That way I'd know what it is. ;D
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Okay, after finally watching this today, let me just say that Carroll is ---smurfing--- retarded. Wrong defense, wrong strategy, wasted timeouts, keeping Bush on the sideline for a critical 4th and 2? Dude is an even worse coach now than he was for the Patriots. If you insist on pounding it up the middle, and everyone on the planet knew it was coming, at least bring in Bush to freeze the linebacker who ended up making the play.
Someone else has to be running their organization because apparently Carroll can't even figure out to keep an extra defender or two around the line against a running QB that hasn't completed a pass over 15 yards all night.
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I hate Texas.
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Let me give you your first piece of free political advice - keep opinions that would alienate an entire demographic to yourself.
That's a solid bodystrike point blow right there.
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just tune into sportscenter for 2 seconds. you'll see the replay. a million times.
art "wishing more people liked hockey"
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I hate Texas.
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yeah, secede.
and, according to ny press, pete screwed only the jets, and he screwed the trojans last night.
petes bonehead move sealedt rojans doom
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nypost/20060105/sp_nypost/petesboneheadmovesealedtrojansdoom
Art
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At the time, I thought Carroll made a good call. If Vince Young got the ball back anywhere he was going to score. Had USC got the first down they could run out the clock - AND - Texas hadn't stopped White running up the middle the whole second half and they were obviously tired.
Having said all that, Pete Carroll is still a questionable coach, but I don't think he should be crucified for going for it. He had about 50 previous plays that said it would work.
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I think the decision to go for it was correct, but not having Bush in? WTF? If they punt, you don't expect Texas to roll over and die like Notre Dame did with two minutes left.
Also, I love how they bust Bushs' balls for the flip, (which went to the tight end, who had it in his hands), and nothing is said about Young doing the exact same thing other than the fact he was down. I've heard about fifty sports broadcasters knock him for that toss, but that is the type of player he is. He is the same guy who turned that corner and left everyone in his dust on that touchdown run. Youngs' lateral fumbles and the game is just as dramatically changed but it's not mentioned? Young was on his knee when he did it.
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sports commentating is highly opinionated. many plays are players are highly controversial, so there is always a lot of crucifying on both sides. you can always say, "he should have done the opposite," when anything doesn't go right. and if it does go right, "he's a crazy genius."
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Except you have to figure in the cost of failure. You can do that in a regular game... you don't do that in the National Championship.
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true, 95% of people were probably screaming to punt. but, if i knew i had no defense, i would have done the same.
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I was talking about the lateral.
I would have gone for it on 4th down too, but I would have used a two back set with Bush AND White in there. It makes no sense to have your best player on the sideline during the most important play of your season.
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Joking around is fine, but that was a post of pure unadulterated hatred and there is no place for it on this website.
Yeah....because I sounded so serious: I'd wish they'd sucede from the Union if it weren't for their seemingly disproportionate amount of cheesecake. Cheesecake with a superiority complex I can deal with.
For the love of god, quit being such a baby.
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And by the way, Texans do have a superiority complex. Ask one sometime; they're not shy about it.
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And by the way, Texans do have a superiority complex.
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...Texans and Republicans and anyone with a religious affiliation.
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...Texans and Republicans and anyone with a religious affiliation.
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No wonder you're so high-and-mighty! I didn't realize you were a Texan. Now, I know y'all think the world revolves around you, but there are actually many non-texas related things that use the five-pinted star. You pretend that I'm just stereotyping, but I'll refer you right back to your own avatar. It's a quality singular to Texans. You won't ever see a single user on this forum from Utah that uses a beehive as their avatar.
And...ClubNinja hit the nail on the head, obviously. Kinda sucks when your superiority complex and prejudices are so deeply ingrained that comments like that slip right out past your radar unchecked, huh?
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No wonder you're so high-and-mighty!
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Seriously....you live in Texas. Don't get me wrong, I can see why it's advantageous for you to feign ignorance in this particular argument, but you're not an anomaly. You know EXACTLY what I'm talking about. Don't be disingenuous. Laugh it off, like the vast majority of your neighbors and say, "What can I say? Texans are just a little bit better than everyone else."
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No, I am suggesting that all of those groups have higher moral standards than Schmokes. He constantly derides those groups.
schmokes only thinks it's ok to offend groups that he doesn't agree with.
Art
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That's blatantly untrue! I try to offend people I agree with on a near constant basis.
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That's blatantly untrue!
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The trolls are hungry today.
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So, from a political standpoint, how would that benefit your constituents?
I don't have any constituents. Maybe when I'm running for office I'll have to stop having fun at your expense.
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Maybe when I'm running for office I'll have to stop having fun at your expense.
Please keep thinking you're the one having fun at my expense. ;)
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If anyone manages to track the BYOAC archives down and associates them with me I'll just go on record that BYOAC was a youthful indiscretion and all will be forgiven.
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If anyone manages to track the BYOAC archives down and associates them with me I'll just go on record that BYOAC was a youthful indiscretion and all will be forgiven.
You can always say you didn't inhale...
Hey, when you're president you will remember us BYOAC little guys won't you? ;D
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799?
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You think Texans will forgive you for badmouthing their state?
You don't know Texans.
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You think Texans will forgive you for badmouthing their state?
You don't know Texans.
I KNOW texans, sir, and you are no texan. ;D
Going to be in Big D I think the 22nd. Hope the Stars are in town.
Oh, and I'm going to Longview too. That sounds like knob polishing.
Art
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You think Texans will forgive you for badmouthing their state?
You don't know Texans.
Enough with the stereotyping Chad. Markrvp has shed enough tears without you joining the fray.
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I only type in mono.
I mean, my left hand is too busy to type. FTW.
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