there is going to be very low turnout for out-of-iraqi voters due to un bungeling it.
i don't know why they can vote, but i think they are still iraqis who have fled for their In the United States, a mere 25,946 registered, a tenth of what was expected.
That's nuts.
Certainly alot more choices than the last election...
I am very happy those people have that murderous SOB and his horrific offspring out of the way.
CNN is currently reporting 70% of Iraqis voted today.
Think of it like this:
If people living outside of America voted in our election, we probably would have had a different outcome.
no matter the actual percentage the iraqis and everyone except the anti-government terrorists have to say this is an unqualified SUCCESS
This number is not based on any sort of scientific poll, and I'm ashamed that our media keeps batting it around as if it were fact.
anyways no need for us to argue, the people have won, and the terrorists have lost!
For example, here's a little history lesson for you.
Cooter, people outside of the US do vote for the President. People with dual citizenship can vote, and they did vote.QuoteThis number is not based on any sort of scientific poll, and I'm ashamed that our media keeps batting it around as if it were fact.
MrC, you amaze me with your Kreskin powers. I guess you AGAIN have ESP and know that this can't be right.
This is a great day for the world and we should all be so happy for the people of Iraq. Sure, it's a long and hard road ahead, but every long journey starts with a single step doesn't it?
For example, here's a little history lesson for you.
In return, here's a little advice for you: we don't need you to teach us things. That type of condescension is exactly why people around here are having trouble taking your posts seriously, even when they have valid points in them.
The numerous reports from foreign journalists of people being threatened with starvation if they don't vote,
Ever notice how Al-Jazera was right there with the terrorists to film the explosion of roadside bombs?
Apparently you don't like seeing the other side, do you?
Well, do you?
http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=05/01/31/1517207
I ask, who has the real democracy??
I see the vision Bush has. It was to carve a line of new pro western governments in the middle east. The tyranies that are in power are waining, and it's just a matter of time until the kindom of Saud sees the same revolt as the Shaw in the 70's. Doing what we have done stabalizes the region for a generation. I believe it was necessary, just, and done at the right time with the right president.
1) Bush is the President of the United States and the leader of the free world.
5) He had information from all sources all over the globe that Saddam was as major a threat as we all believed.
Saddam would be in power and the world would be in danger if not this year, then within 5 years.
I think my beliefs are better backed up with facts than the ranting I see by dems.
Doing what we have done stabalizes the region for a generation. I believe it was necessary, just, and done at the right time with the right president.
But who are those people besides these people and China. Why are they so anti western?
I think we all agree what the US did in Afgahnistan was justfied and necessary.
After all, why else claim that total warfare is the *ONLY* alternative to oil dependance?
1) Bush is the President of the United States and the leader of the free world.That ended with bush turning his back on the free world to invade another country for what the free world knew was dubious reasons. Rice and powell stated in 2000 that Saddam was contained and his WMD capacity broken. But why remember the facts when war is so profitable
2) Bush didn't anticipate the threat to the level he should have, and was like the rest of us on 9/10/01, he didn't believe it would happen like it did.
But why remember the facts when war is so profitableThat makes absolutely no sense. It's cost us $200 billion +, and 1400 US lives. I don't know if you are a businessman or not, but I don't see ROI there, either political or monetary.
Al quaida cells are now active in more countries then prior to 9/11.Really? Where are they Dexter?
(By the way, did he react in that classroom on 9/11 like you expect a president to react? Yeah right)Maybe if we all filmed each other 24/7 we can find better examples. I dropped my coffee. I wonder if Michael Moore wants that clip?
Capture Osama? NoNot yet. Not yet. And when he does should we take our ball and go home?
I know of a CIA briefing handed to Bush on 6 august 2001 containing information that OBL"containing information on OBL" man, that's definitive. We should have closed down the US until we got to the bottom of that. Man. Wow.
Intelligence was hand-picked to support an invasion whereas ALL intelligence should always be considered to give a more accurate overall picture of whats going on.Really? You know that for a fact or is it your opinion? I always like this one, because this intel came from a lot of sources. How does that explain Britian's involvement? Australia? You do know that there are more people in the CIA and FBI that report to congress right? You do know they report these things all the time to committees right? Huh. Guess Bush is more powerful that I thought and in control of a lot more than the US.
didn't happen because al quaida 'hates our freedoms' it was because of US interference in the middle eastOur interference was liberating Kuwait. Yep, we should have let them go huh?
And please stop calling bushes policies pro-western, he does not represent opinion in Europe.And your opinion does? Your opinion only Dexter. Please stop saying you represent all of Europe.
And please stop calling bushes policies pro-western, he does not represent opinion in Europe.
That's one thing, maybe the only thing, Bush has done right.
As I understand it, 95% of all statistics are made up on the spot
Heheh, Shmokes gets the blame... :angel:
QuoteAfter all, why else claim that total warfare is the *ONLY* alternative to oil dependance?
It wasn't total. It was isolated and it was strategic.
What exactly were the other options?
Israel stands only with the US, and we are drawn into a war with a contient to fight off.
No, but approx 70% of europe does in general share my views (and don't worry, I didn't forget poland LOL!!)
Guess it's too hard to be righteous in two threads a time and remember which lib'rl heathen you're currently attacking.
Suppose that Native Americans boycotted the next elections in the US. (I know, not the same as Sunni's, but I can't think of a better example so I'll point at myself) Would they consider the election fair? No. Would they respect the new governments decisions? No. How would they feel if people started saying what a success it was? Bitter.
Then take steps towards addressing these concerns so that everyone feels comfortable with the direction their country is going.Really, can that happen? Can everybody feel comfortable? Is it possible? Are you comfortable with the way the US is going? 50 million would be upset now in the US right?
Jbox, where's the link to your Mame Machine? Or are you just trolling around here?
That is so cool that I think you deserve another gold star, this one is a serving platter so it's useful too!
http://www.lovetoparty.co.nz/images/Gold%20Star%20Server_small.jpg
In Iraq, when 50% (actually, more than that, but to dumb it down for ya) say they want to give the process "Bush forced on them", that means they've chosen to "give it a whirl".
These are military decisions that WILL pay unprecedented dividends.
The ultimate goal is to defeat them, not give them more reasons to fight.
The problem is when the reason is obvious to everyone in the world, yet, we as a nation are seen to except these lies at face value...
You've responded to a military strategy discussion with morality issues. It's a different discussion.
How do you defeat an enemy without giving them reason to fight you?
The problem is when the reason is obvious to everyone in the world, yet, we as a nation are seen to except these lies at face value...
Ever been to a business meeting, where organizational decisions are made but much of the rationale is held back with the explanation of "we can't discuss those issues publicly"?
This is one of those times one has to think about the major reasons for themself because open discussion of them will get more Americans killed.
I for one, tend not to trust people that have already misled me. Call me crazy.
You've responded to a military strategy discussion with morality issues. It's a different discussion.
Maybe so, but I tend to think of war as a moral issue.QuoteHow do you defeat an enemy without giving them reason to fight you?
Good question...I'm not suggesting it's entirely avoidable, rather that it isn't efficient to proceed creating more and unifiying others. Which, until we see how the election process plays out, is certainly a possibility, and I would argue, a reality.
I for one, tend not to trust people that have already misled me. Call me crazy.....12.3 gallon tank of gas for less than 28 dollars. I'm shelling almost 60 dollars a week out on gas, while getting almost 31 miles to the gallon. I don't even drive that much!
. Because of her, I have not been able to fill my 12.3 gallon tank of gas for less than 28 dollars. I'm shelling almost 60 dollars a week out on gas, while getting almost 31 miles to the gallon. I don't even drive that much!
All of them misled the American people. Bill Clinton with his sex scandal, Kerry with half of his campaign, and Hilary, claiming she was going to help gas prices in New York, and yet tried her best to sway minds of certain political leaders to force a 30 cents a gallon tax rate on gasoline
Back on topic. To say that this election was a failure would be a mistake. The fact that they're finally able to have an election rather than a leader who was either put there as a puppet for another nation (and then became a militant totalitarian) or led because they killed the leader, is a step up for them.
I know, it's nitpicking, but I know there are others here figuring it out just like I did, and putting a check in the box next to your name for "can't be trusted".My profile is set up to automatically check that box for everyone.
How do you defeat an enemy without giving them reason to fight you?
I repeat, the goal is to defeat your enemy as quickly and as efficiently as possible, without creating more recruits and/or unifying numerous enemies against you in a common goal. Failure to do that has been the downfall of many a great empire.
The presence of a strong leadership position creates rebellion by its very nature.
So we live in a world of perpetual warfare? Bet that makes a great bedtime story for the kids.
Yeah, there is probably always going to be challenges to America's leadership role, my concern is sustaining the longevity of said leadership through strategic initiatives that do not undermine the very spirit that enabled our country to obtain the role in the first place.
my concern is sustaining the longevity of said leadership through strategic initiatives that do not undermine the very spirit that enabled our country to obtain the role in the first place
Cooter,
Man, what does this mean -QuoteSuppose that Native Americans boycotted the next elections in the US.
I've got a better idea for fredster, jbox. I suggest he sits there and waits for you to tell him what you would do about the situation.
5- Ban religion. It's about time people start having faith in themselves and each other.
including examples from history where those tactics did or did not improve the QoL of their citizens.
"A continent to fight off" is "isolated and it was strategic"? I guess you must be thinking of when the time comes you have to attack Australia! :D Or perhaps you confused the fact I was rebutting your "it was either Iraq or the WORLD" doomsday post, because then you wouldn't have something cool to say in retort. :-*
And there are lots of alternatives to oil-for-fuel, after which we could conserve this limited resource for building those things that need oil like plastic. Hence my suspicion that you are in fact a mole for the Greens, just as keen as I am to conserve this precious commidity from being wasted where it doesn't need to be (like SUVs). Don't worry, I wont tell anyone else so your secret is safe with me Comrade! 8)
I for one, tend not to trust people that have already misled me. Call me crazy.....12.3 gallon tank of gas for less than 28 dollars. I'm shelling almost 60 dollars a week out on gas, while getting almost 31 miles to the gallon. I don't even drive that much!
I realize this is off topic, but I couldn't resist.
$28.00 / 12.3 gallons = $2.28/g
$60.00 a week / 2.27/g =
...buddhists, shakes hands with some jews, and shares tea with some muslims.Someone should tell that woman she's not in heaven, she's in the middle east.
I want one of those bad ass electric BMW's like in I ROBOT.
We need those now.
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5- Ban religion. It's about time people start having faith in themselves and each other.
War has never been about religion. That may have been the excuse, but we go to war (as a species) for gold, land, water, food, oil, and liberty (or the deprivation there of)
However, we (as a species) accomplish more in the way of advances when there is a level of religious freedom. Most of our math has its root in religious or phillosphical thought.
Answer: What were "The Crusades"... What is "Jihad"... What was the Schmalkaldic war... What was the Thirty Years War... What was Byzantine-Muslim War of 645... What happened in Ethiopia during 1529-1543... what was the medieval Catholic doctrine of tyrannicide... etc.
I should have said "organized religion".
I think that broadly speaking you're right. But religion can add a dangerous element of fanaticism to the equation.
Look at the Twin Towers pilots for instance. I think it's unlikely they would have carried out their act if they hadn't believed (in their own twisted way) that they would be rewarded in the afterlife for what they did.
The same thing applies to the second world war kamikaze pilots. They were fighting for their emperor who they believed was a god. They also believed they would be rewarded in the afterlife.
Shows what you know.
If you're not sweaty, you're in the wrong club.
Now what?