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Main => Everything Else => Topic started by: Shape D. on December 01, 2004, 02:10:28 pm
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What the hell is the problem with people.
So I get back to my apartment last night, lock my car, and go inside and go to sleep. Then in the middle of the night some M.F. tool dicides to break in to my car stealing $7000 worth of my property. and to piss me of even more my insurance company wont cover the 300 cds i had stolen from my car. People who steal suck.
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You must really have a long commute to work to need 300 CD's in your car. ;D
I think we should start cutting off the hands of thieves it would definately make them think twice............
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The CDs aren't covered under car insurance. Oddly enough, their covered under your homeowner's (or in your case, renter's) insurance. Just contact your renter's insurance company for the CD loss.
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You DO have renter's insurance, right?
All life advice aside, that sucks. My wife's car got stolen by some punk teenagers who wanted to drag race the night after she bought new tires for the car. Two of them were blown out when we got the car back (The police had recovered it that same night, we didn't even know it was gone). After 18 months of court dates, she finally got restitution from the kids, but it was a PITA. You have to show for every court date to say that you didn't give permission to these individuals to drive your car or else the charges get dropped. She had to take 1/2 day off work every 4-6 weeks for a year to make sure the prosecution would go through. Meanwhile the kids didn't show for half the court dates, and got no additional penalty for it at all.
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I do have renters insurance, but acording to my insurance rep cds aren't covered under the policy.
If the refuse to cover them I'll end up telling them to kiss my "apple" and go "fish" themselves, and I'm taking my insurance elsewhere. Because every other company i've been looking at on the internet covers cds.
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Makes you wonder why you bought their insurance at all, hey? It's like they're forcing you to lie and say you lost more stuff just to cover the cost of the CD's!
I learned a valuable lesson about insurance one day, and if you're an insurance agent here and you're reading this, I may not personally hate YOU, but I hate your ilk!
My wife got into an accident, it was the fault of the semi-hauler who didn't secure his load with anything more than a zig-zag chaining down instead of the several chains he was supposed to use, the chain broke, sending the concrete sewer tubes (8 of 'em) off his truck and into the van my wife was driving. TOTALLED my van, and (LUCKILY, the cop tells me when I get there that if the tubes had come off the truck differently, I may have come down to identify the body for him :'( ) flipped it into the ditch.
Because my wife and three kids weren't hurt, and were honest about it, all we got was $600 to replace the van that a guy who had his license revoked a month earlier and didn't have the common sense to secure his load to avoid possibly killing people had totalled.
Lesson learned. ANY future accident my family may be in will be accompanied by corresponding medical checkups, doctor visits, blurred vision, neck pain, gout, arthritis, hangnails, body odor - ANYTHING that will pay for the damage I incurred and replace the vehicle to it's original state or give compensation that will alllow me to purchase a replacement of equal working conidition.
Screw insurance. Get rich and self-insure yourself whenever possible.
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Re: Some people suck
Not enough of them though :o
I had a laptop stolen from my car, since it was for work it wasn't covered, even though I had purchased it. Some stinking loophole.
Art
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Yeah, I had my CD player stolen from my car.
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Back a few years ago when a genius with a SUV decided to smash my car, I had to bring it to a half dozen places to get estimates on the cost to repair the damage. The second to the last time I had to bring it in the guy was telling me how he was just going to search a junkyard for new body panels. I asked him if he was an f'ing idiot or something, the entire front end of the car was bent a few obvious degrees, I have no idea how it lasted through all the estimates.
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I recently got smashed by a car. I had to go to court and the devil spawn that slammed me turned up 2 hours late. This meant I had to sit around waiting and got the chance to watch a few cases unfold which I had never had the opportunity to do before.
I was amazed. There was a dude who had stalked some chick, broke a restraining order, was already on bail for something else and the judge let him go.
Next up was some young bloke who had never been in trouble in his life but was caught doing 111km in a 60km zone. The judge threw the book at him, license gone for 3 months, BIG fine and this young guy had stated he couldn't support his family without his license.
I can only speak for things I seen that day, but I clearly seen that if your a good bloke who makes a small mistake you will be punished severely while the bad dudes are let out to do it all again.
Yep some people do suck, as do their lawyers and the judges who fail to enforce reasonable punishment to the #$ckers who put decent people though inconvenience and hell.
In my dream world, you do wrong and you go down. No ifs or buts, burn MF, burn.
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My guess is that most insurance companies don't cover CDs because they are worthless. You might very well have spent $4800 on the contents of that book of 300 CDs, but guess what? Its worthless, you might be lucky to get $100 for the whole book. You might get $300 or so if they are all still in good shape and in their cases. The guy who stole the giant book of CDs probably got $10 or $20 for them. I know my buddy who used to work at the pawnshop paid 10 cents per CD for books of them (he bought them personally from the people who TRIED to sell them at the shop, which didn't want them since they are always stolen).
CDs really have almost no intrinsic worth. I just picked a random one (Def Leppard, Adrenalize) and looked it up on ebay and found it was selling for $1, with plenty of closed auctions on it with no bidders.
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you know what? i had some stuff stolen from around my house once (bike, nice shirts off the line etc) and im GLAD! why? because when we bought the house i was living with my parents. and so thats the postal address the insurance company had. what happened though is a year after we bought the house, my parents moved somewhere else. guess what? the f**k-witted insurance company was still sending stuff to that address and i completely forgot about it (renewal once a year, it's not like i wake up each day and think- oh, only 206 days until i have to renew my insurance).
anyway, when i went to claim for the stolen goods (about $1000 worth) the company said the house wasn't insured anymore! these people really love their profit margins. you would think that if i didn't renew they'd be on the phone asking me if i'd changed insurers etc. when i changed my ISP, the old company was on the phone to me the NEXT day! how hard could it be to find me? they knew the address of my house after all! but no, they were happy to lose a customer, no questions asked. they must be REALLY flush for cash.
nowadays, they have my post box address on file, three different phone numbers and two email addresses (hopefully that's enough info to be able to contact me) and we pay monthly by direct debit.
i shudder to think where we would be now if the house had burnt down when uninsured...
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I suppose it really is worth making notes in your calendar as to when things are due and taking the management & ownership of it yourself. Like you said, imagine if it had burned! Good lesson here for all I think. ???
I have realised recently how much more effective it is to put something in writing rather than use the telephonica device when dealing with insurance companies. A well written letter can work wonders if addressed to the correct person. Don't write a defensive letter, just something that clearly outlines the situation and don't ever attack the reader.
Once something is in writing the paperwork trail will spread and if followed up correctly by getting names, recording dates, conversation details & everything related, it will soon be realised by the insurer that they ain't dealing with Joe Lunchbucket who they can mislead or intimidate into submission.
Only accept their replies if submitted in writing. The truth tends to prevail when somebody has to put their OWN signature on a piece of paper that is representing such a large company. Facts are presented and emotion is usually missing.
I had a win with an insurer recently who tried to freckle-punch me out of a grand. I had names, dates of conversations & emails which I ended up quoting back to them. I only wanted what I was entitled to, it was good for a little man to rage against the machine and win without the need for lawyers and all that crap. That will teach them for trying to keep my $1000 motorbike excess.
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Here in the UK if you beat up someone who breaks into your house to steal your stuff then YOU get charged and the punk thief basically gets f all.
The law is wrong all over the place and for some reason us suckers stand for it >:(
Bring back Guy Fawkes :D
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Makes you wonder why you bought their insurance at all, hey? It's like they're forcing you to lie and say you lost more stuff just to cover the cost of the CD's!
I wont outright lie because i know the peanalties for insurance fraud are pretty big. But I did have three microphones that were stolen that i paid $600 for, but list price on those is about $1700. guess which one i'll be asking for.
P.S. in the future I will be burning a copy of all my cd's as I puchase them. This way I can protect the origonals from being scratched, and if the get stolen again I would only lose $150 compared to about $4500.
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Here in the UK if you beat up someone who breaks into your house to steal your stuff then YOU get charged and the punk thief basically gets f all.
The law is wrong all over the place and for some reason us suckers stand for it
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Dexter,
Now you are begining to talk all republican on us.
Welcome to the dark side.
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Here in the UK if you beat up someone who breaks into your house to steal your stuff then YOU get charged and the punk thief basically gets f all.
The law is wrong all over the place and for some reason us suckers stand for it
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That sucks.
Hence originals stay in the apartment, copies go in the vehicle...
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The Romans had an interesting way for dealing with criminals. If convicted, their entire family was executed!
Not only does that make them think twice, but it essentially 'breeds' people for good behavior.
If there is such a thing as a criminal gene, it weeds them out pretty quickly. Except for the masters who don't get caught.
If you start making backups, then the DMCA will start going after you, even though it is perfectly legal.
Best insurance policy: a 12 gauge shotgun and a declaration of independence from whatever country you live in.
Just wait until I take over...................
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Yeah I have heard of similar cases here is Australia. The only option if you find yourself in such a situation is to bury the intruder in your backyard. The moment you step into someone else
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The governments are the one who should be punished for drugs.
It's a victimless crime, something that did absolutely no harm until governments decided to make it illegal.
I need to start my own country sometime...
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The governments are the one who should be punished for drugs.
It's a victimless crime, something that did absolutely no harm until governments decided to make it illegal.
I need to start my own country sometime...
Well, all governments, even in a so-called free democracy have "safety nazi" rules. You have people forced to wear seatbelts, helmets, jockstraps, kneepads, and soon I bet fat people will be forced into rehab and excessive eating will be illegal.
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Screw insurance.
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If you start making backups, then the DMCA will start going after you, even though it is perfectly legal.
I'm not overly concerned about that, First they would have to find me doing it. And secondly I have a really good layer, and know a lot about copright laws myself. There is nothing anyone can do about you making a personal copy of a cd you purchased. Although you do have to prove you own the origonal cd. But sence I will be keeping all of those there won't be a problem.
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Makes you wonder why you bought their insurance at all, hey? It's like they're forcing you to lie and say you lost more stuff just to cover the cost of the CD's!
I wont outright lie because i know the peanalties for insurance fraud are pretty big.
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Sounds like your a DJ. Lucky your Turntable wasn't in the car.
Actually, I'm a bass player. And my bass was the first thing i checked, even before calling the police.
(It was in my house.)
I'm just glad they dind't take my checkbook that was sitting in my car.
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Screw insurance.
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I just got off the phone with the DA regarding a scumbag that broke into our house 3 years ago and was caught. Turns out the DA forgot to call us when he went up for trial. Apparently he plead guilty, got 3 yrs probation as a first offender, and has to pay us 675.00.
Now, first of all i searched the GA prisoner database and the dirtbag has a rap sheet a mile long AND he was put in jail for possession of coke in march and spent 3 mo in prison.
Uhh....first offender? WTF!
I am now in contact with his probation officer who is working up a warrant for his re-arrest. Screw the 675.00 which I will never see anyway, time to make this vagrant spend xmas in the pokey.
argh.
Sorry to hear about your car getting busted into. At our house we have gotten to the point that we make sure there is nothing in the cars to steal and leaving them unlocked. If they go in the car they find nothing and they don't break a window to get in. Sucks but it works. I keep meaning to hook up a camera in the car with a motion detector so I can get a pic of the scumbag but never seem to get to it.
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Not ALL people fail to reform.
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At our house we have gotten to the point that we make sure there is nothing in the cars to steal and leaving them unlocked.
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Dexter,
Now you are begining to talk all republican on us.
Welcome to the dark side.
LOVE IT LOL. Seriously though, everyone should have the right to protect their property and family. The difference is I don't condone killing a neighbour because I got dodgy information that he INTENDS to break into my home ;)
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so I T-boned in to the side of his
minivan going around 50mph.
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I'm just glad they dind't take my checkbook that was sitting in my car.
OMG, I can't believe you just said that. Dude, not to rush to judgement here, but you were practically asking to have your car broken into. At least that's the attitude of both the theif and the cops.
The only thing worse than leaving the doors unlocked with the keys in the ignition and the engine running, is leaving anything of value in plain sight in your car. CDs are one thing, but things like money, credit cards, and checks should never be left in your car period. You can buy new CDs, but bad credit from identity theft, or loss of your life savings, could be much harder to repair. And the cops as well as the insurers are likely to laugh in your face when you come crying to them about the stuff stolen off your dash or front seats.
I personally won't even go into the store for 5 minutes without locking my briefcase in the trunk, or at least putting it behind the seat out of plain site. People are f*ckers for taking what's not theirs, but if you know there are bears around, it's not very smart to leave food on the driver's seat...
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At our house we have gotten to the point that we make sure there is nothing in the cars to steal and leaving them unlocked.
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At our house we have gotten to the point that we make sure there is nothing in the cars to steal and leaving them unlocked. If they go in the car they find nothing and they don't break a window to get in. Sucks but it works. I keep meaning to hook up a camera in the car with a motion detector so I can get a pic of the scumbag but never seem to get to it.
I've got you beat. I buy cars that look like $#!7 and leave them unlocked.
I had a CRX that someone broke my driver's side window on, only to find out I didn't have a darned thing inside to steal. I have a few friends who are cops who I spoke to after reading your comments, 1UP, and as long as you didn't leave the keys inside, they'd have to hotwire it somehow, which you have no liability for, as they'd have to do the same thing whether or not the door was locked. The crime is in using a car which they have no legal claim to use.
I also learned from them that if somone ever breaks into your house, you are advised to follow one of two courses depending on your nature. Either move to get your family out of the house and away from the intruder, or exhaust all possibilities in order to bring about death to the intruder. If you ever take action against an intruder that results in them getting injured, the "criminal" will be in a position to take more from you than if you had simply let them ransack the house. Even calling the police and letting them come deal with the intruder....if the guy trips and breaks an ankle while trying to escape...your fault. Dead seems to be the best option for a criminal to leave your house.
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OMG, I can't believe you just said that. Dude, not to rush to judgement here, but you were practically asking to have your car broken into. At least that's the attitude of both the theif and the cops.
The only thing worse than leaving the doors unlocked with the keys in the ignition and the engine running, is leaving anything of value in plain sight in your car. CDs are one thing, but things like money, credit cards, and checks should never be left in your car period. You can buy new CDs, but bad credit from identity theft, or loss of your life savings, could be much harder to repair. And the cops as well as the insurers are likely to laugh in your face when you come crying to them about the stuff stolen off your dash or front seats.
I personally won't even go into the store for 5 minutes without locking my briefcase in the trunk, or at least putting it behind the seat out of plain site. People are f*ckers for taking what's not theirs, but if you know there are bears around, it's not very smart to leave food on the driver's seat...
Thats like telling a woman in a skimpy outfit she deserved to be assulted. What I leave in my car is completley irrelevent. the problem souldn't be with people who have things people want. The problem is with some peoples F :police:'d morals, thinking they have a right to take what doesn't belong to them.
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Lesson learned.
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Um, just to clarify:
Yes people who steal CIVILY suck.
I like to steal from wegman's(local supermarket)
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I think people who arrest people who steal from wegman's DON'T suck.
In fact, THOSE people don't suck SO much, I think they should get a medal for their work, or at least a badge :police:
Of all the drives a human experiences, the drive to justify ones actions is the strongest. It will supercede common sense and logic. I offer no one here as an example - you offer yourself for the world to see.
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Well its corporation.
Stick it to the man.
To quote Abbie Hoffman exactly from steal this book, "We have been shoplifting from supermarkets on a regular basis without raising the slightest suspicion, ever since they began.
We are not alone, and the fact that so much stealing goes on and the supermarkets still bring in huge profits shows exactly how much overcharging has occurred in the first place. Supermarkets, like other businesses, refer to shoplifting as "inventory shrinkage." It's as if we thieves were helping Big Business reduce weight. So let's view our efforts as methods designed to trim the economy and push forward with a positive attitude."
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psssh what are you doin still buying CDs?
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Im asuming they are older
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Well its corporation.
Stick it to the man.
To quote Abbie Hoffman exactly from steal this book, "We have been shoplifting from supermarkets on a regular basis without raising the slightest suspicion, ever since they began.
We are not alone, and the fact that so much stealing goes on and the supermarkets still bring in huge profits shows exactly how much overcharging has occurred in the first place. Supermarkets, like other businesses, refer to shoplifting as "inventory shrinkage." It's as if we thieves were helping Big Business reduce weight. So let's view our efforts as methods designed to trim the economy and push forward with a positive attitude."
Your honor, I present to you Exhibit A.
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Well its corporation.
Stick it to the man.
To quote Abbie Hoffman exactly from steal this book, "We have been shoplifting from supermarkets on a regular basis without raising the slightest suspicion, ever since they began.
We are not alone, and the fact that so much stealing goes on and the supermarkets still bring in huge profits shows exactly how much overcharging has occurred in the first place. Supermarkets, like other businesses, refer to shoplifting as "inventory shrinkage." It's as if we thieves were helping Big Business reduce weight. So let's view our efforts as methods designed to trim the economy and push forward with a positive attitude."
Your honor, I present to you Exhibit A.
umm... dk... what the f*** does that mean?
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Next you'll be asking me what the answer is to the question
"How do you keep an idiot in suspense?"
;D
(oh, and for Dark Kobold, :police: )
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psssh what are you doin still buying CDs?
Are you saing I should download them illegally, Screwing over the artists who wrote the music I want to listen to. Or are you saying I should be purchasing cassettes, records or 8-track?
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psssh what are you doin still buying CDs?
Are you saing I should download them illegally, Screwing over the artists who wrote the music I want to listen to. Or are you saying I should be purchasing cassettes, records or 8-track?
8-track, baby!
Actually, they just polled artists on the issue, and very few artists seemed to think it hurt them at all. My vague understanding of the skewed economics of the music industry is that artists earn more from live events and the P2P piracy hurts the labels far more than the artists. Not that I'm condoning it or anything.
However, I have not bought a CD in a bit since I discovered walmart.com's music downloads. 88 cents per track or 9.99 for a whole album? Why buy a CD? I'll buy them as gifts, but for myself I'll stick to walmart.com's music downloads.
--Chris
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This thread has come up at just the right time, because I really need to vent on this subject.
Saturday night we were away from home at a family christmas party. When we got home around midnight we discovered that some one had stolen our 8' tall Santa inflatible from our front yard.
Last year he had been slashed with a razor, but I was able to stitch him up. I guess they decided that they had to steal him this time so that I couldn't repair him again.
Four years ago almost every house in our subdivision had their christmas decorations wrecked in one night. They tore down lights and smashed them in the streets, the smashed lawn ornaments and threw everything in the street. The city had to send out street sweepers on a Sunday to cleanup all the glass in the street. All that overtime was payed by the taxpayers of course.
My daughter is seven years old and three time now, our christmas decorations have been destroyed. How do I explain this to a little child when I don't understand this behavior.
We live in a nice, average (280.00 to 350,000 dollar homes) neighborhood in a fairly affluent suburb of Chicago. From what the police have told me, and what I see reported in the local papers, our town has a lot of trouble with random vandalism. Based on where it occurs, and the few people that have been caught, it is the 16 to 20 year old guys from the really expensive (750,000+ homes) subdivisons that are responsible for most of it. These kids have pretty much anything they want, but they can't think of anything better to do with their time than to wreck stuff. The amount of time spent by the police writing up reports for damaged mailboxes is staggering.
A few years ago, my car got shot at while I was driving by a bunch of kids with paintball guns in a brand new Denali. I don't think they got caught, but I would think that driving around pointing guns out of the car windows is a good way to get shot at by the police.
When I lived in Chicago, I had a Volkswagen Golf that was broken into three times. The first time they broke a window ripped the Alpine stereo out of the dash. I found a good repair shop that knew how to deal with the insurance and they actaully managed to put in a better BlauPunkt stereo and have the insurance pay for it. The second time they broke the window again, and ripped out the Kenwood. I got the window repaired, but I had not had time to replace the radio, when they broke in a third time. They got nothing, because the radio had not been replaced. The end of the wiring harness was still hanging out of the empty hole in the dash!
After that I got a removeable Kenwood system.
The next year my insurance premiums weny up by almost exactly the amount of the repairs! I told them to get lost and found a different insurannce company.
PS. Floyd you can try to justify it anyway you want, but it is still wrong and it is illegal.
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So you're saying some guys destroyed the decorations for your entire neighborhood and not one person called the police or tried to stop them? That doesn't sound right. There's never a time when an entire block of houses is completely empty for that long. ???
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Yes, That is what happend.
Our subdivision comprises about seven blocks, and no one heard or saw anything.
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See, while I believe you, I don't believe those neighbors. There's no way no one noticed that going on.
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I'll admit that someone may have seen or heard something, and kept quiet. There is no way to know.
Our neighborhood is in a wooded area, and the views from house to houes a re fairly limited. I live on a corner lot, and I only have unobstructed views of two other houses. I have obstructed views of two other hones, and can only see part of one neighbors garage. The other neighbors house is not visible from my house at all.
There are thick bands of trees seperating our subdivision from the ones surrounding it. There are bike paths through the tree lines connecting the subdivisions. While it makes for a very pretty neighborhood, it also make it easy for people to move around without being seen.
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Yeah, that someone or some people saw and won't come forward because they fear retaliation is the most likely case.
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Re: Xmas Vandalism, just curious...was that around Libertyville or Lake Forest?
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Actually, they just polled artists on the issue, and very few artists seemed to think it hurt them at all. My vague understanding of the skewed economics of the music industry is that artists earn more from live events and the P2P piracy hurts the labels far more than the artists. Not that I'm condoning it or anything.--Chris
But, they do make money off album sales. And record companys give loans to musicans to recod the album that they pay back with the album sales. Or at least they pay it back with the performance part of the album. If they write their own songs they get that $ without having to pay their debt from it. Meanwhile the record co. makes money of the sales from day one.
And bands don't make money of live shows, Live shows are promotion for album sales. Bands play live because they are musicians, and playing is what they like to do.
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1HookedSpaceCadet,
I live in Saint Charles.
ChadTower,
I would suspect that if people didn't say anything, it because they don't care.
Some people just seem to write it off as part of growing up, "they are just being kids" kind of thing. I wouldn't think that fear of retaliation is that big a deal in a case like this.
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Where I grew up, the normal consequence of vandalism is a shotgun pointed at you. It's taken pretty seriously.
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But, they do make money off album sales. And record companys give loans to musicans to recod the album that they pay back with the album sales. Or at least they pay it back with the performance part of the album. If they write their own songs they get that $ without having to pay their debt from it. Meanwhile the record co. makes money of the sales from day one.
And bands don't make money of live shows, Live shows are promotion for album sales. Bands play live because they are musicians, and playing is what they like to do.
Musicians, unless they are an established band, generally make very little off album sales. That is why you see Metallica fighting more vehemently than Heywood Jablowme against piracy - along with them generally being against piracy from possibly a moral stance
Bands DO in fact make money off of live shows. Live shows are generally giving a percentage of the gate to the band as an incentive for them to play there. Again, unless they are an established band, they need to do as many live shows as possible in order to make a decent living. That's why you see Metallica doing concerts and tours so infrequently, while Heywood Jablowme is touring 364 days a year, EVERY year.
I'm not sure if you've gone to a "top tier" concert lately, but do you really think that The Rolling stones make more money selling a $15 CD or touring for a year and a half doing concerts at their leisure and selling a $200-$250 ticket? The economics of it EVENTUALLY even out, but the bands DO get paid to perform live.
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Musicians, unless they are an established band, generally make very little off album sales. That is why you see Metallica fighting more vehemently than Heywood Jablowme against piracy - along with them generally being against piracy from possibly a moral stance
Bands DO in fact make money off of live shows. Live shows are generally giving a percentage of the gate to the band as an incentive for them to play there. Again, unless they are an established band, they need to do as many live shows as possible in order to make a decent living. That's why you see Metallica doing concerts and tours so infrequently, while Heywood Jablowme is touring 364 days a year, EVERY year.
I'm not sure if you've gone to a "top tier" concert lately, but do you really think that The Rolling stones make more money selling a $15 CD or touring for a year and a half doing concerts at their leisure and selling a $200-$250 ticket? The economics of it EVENTUALLY even out, but the bands DO get paid to perform live.
But then you have to look at the money they spend on renting the venue, the sound equiptment, and stage props, ect....
most bands even large ones don't make a whole lot of money touring.
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If a band has to actually RENT a venue, they suck beyond belief, and those aren't the people we are speaking of.
The venues want people to COME to them, and being able to draw them in with a musical act is a way for them to make money. Have you ever gone to a concert where a beer cost $2 (in the last decade, that is, I don't want to assume your age and you tell me "whippersnapper, way back when I got a beer for a quarter and a slice of pizza for a nickel...punk kids" ;D ) or a soda was $1? These venues that get a band there make money hand over fist on the "incidentals" that people buy when coming to see the group. That premise also is expecting people to believe that Billy Joel is PAYING to RENT OUT Madison Square Garden! THAT is simply laughable!
True enough they have to spend money on sound equipment and the stage props. They also had to buy an instrument way back when also. Those are fixed costs. Do you believe that when a gig ends they leave all that stuff at the venue? No. They use it. Again, and again, and again, and again and ag...well, you get the picture. These things simply do not make a big dent in their profits of playing live when averaged out over the life of the product. When you do 300 shows a year and a sound board costs you $10,000 does it not show you you how cheaply these things will, after all is said and done, actually cost them?
The bigger the band gets, the more lavishly they spend on themselves, but the money is either paid by someone else, or if the band has to pay for it, it isn't as nice a product they buy - UNTIL they get large enough where even their swill is filet mignon to us.
It should be readily apparent WHERE bands make money by simply listening to WHO is making the commotion about WHAT issue. The RECORD COMPANIES are the ones at the forefront of the gripefest about music piracy, while by and large, BANDS are at the forefront of the gripefest about VENUE piracy, ala TicketMaster et al.
Do you think you'd hear Eddie Vedder crying and railing against piracy if it affected his paycheck to the extent that TicketMaster did? You bet your sweet @$$ you would!
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*** I Nominate this thread as the most divergent thread of 2004 ***
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They usually rent the mixing boards, and main speakers from a rental co. or Along with paying the sound company providing sound.
I'm not saying there getting screwed out of a ton of money on cds, but they still are.
And as a musician, Currently rocking the greatest open mic's in Madison WI (or just one crappy one). I intend on using online file sharing as a form of promoting my band. It has its uses I just cant see taking money away from a band I like, even if they aren't getting that much from it. Id rather steal if from Walmart, scew them over, while they still pay the distributor, thus the band still making money. (I am not condoning this, and refuse to be held liable for anyone reading this and stealing from walmart.)
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*** I Nominate this thread as the most divergent thread of 2004 ***
your the most divergent thread of 2004!
I'll divergent thread you!
sorry, couldn't resist.
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Next we'll be talking about how the voting for most divergent thread has been rigged in Florida and Ohio and how the bands playing at the conventions aren't making any money on them and how frankepanels are dynamite and how p360's are be.....what was the topic?
And hey, I'm in Milwaukee, so Madison isn't a far drive for me - is ShapeD your band's name, or what is the band's name, and how widespread is your touring right now? Just local clubs or festivals, or are you guys a bit larger than that?
Oh, and to tie this in with ANOTHER thread
1hooked, YOU'RE a divergent thread! ;D
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1hooked, YOU'RE a divergent thread!
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www.downhillbattle.org
and on stealing:
I know its illegal, and to some wrong, but I still do it... reminds me of janes addiction...
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www.downhillbattle.org
and on stealing:
I know its illegal, and to some wrong, but I still do it... reminds me of janes addiction...
I'm often reminded of Fade To Black, so I practice sooey-cide. I'm just lucky I'm terrible at it ::)
Hey Floyd, I've got a complete and working arcade game that you want, and I'm willing to sell it to you for $30. Send the money to me, and I'll drive the game over to you.
If I don't show up with the game and you're out $30, I don't want to see you complaining to a soul that what happened to you is wrong. It's "karma". You screw others, in the end, you'll get screwed. And if I've used karma incorrectly, blah blah blah. I, as you, don't care about explanations of why it's incorrect.
Oh, and don't cry anymore about how you got busted for paraphenalia but didn't get busted for possession of oregano. While you display an "it's cool to pick and choose the laws I flout", thankfully there's an organization of folks to make you realize society doesn't appreciate your attitude and have instituted punishment for your apathetic ways. :police:
Put a better way - karma bit you in the arse.
You steal from the grocery store, so you got busted for everything except possession of oregano, which isn't a crime......yet. ;D
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Drew,
You seem to be the resident expert on MP3s, so correct me if I'm wrong here.
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I dont believe in karma, or god for that matter. its survival of the fittest. the rich will get taken from.
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I'm just glad they dind't take my checkbook that was sitting in my car.
OMG, I can't believe you just said that. Dude, not to rush to judgement here, but you were practically asking to have your car broken into. At least that's the attitude of both the theif and the cops.
The only thing worse than leaving the doors unlocked with the keys in the ignition and the engine running, is leaving anything of value in plain sight in your car. CDs are one thing, but things like money, credit cards, and checks should never be left in your car period. You can buy new CDs, but bad credit from identity theft, or loss of your life savings, could be much harder to repair. And the cops as well as the insurers are likely to laugh in your face when you come crying to them about the stuff stolen off your dash or front seats.
I personally won't even go into the store for 5 minutes without locking my briefcase in the trunk, or at least putting it behind the seat out of plain site. People are f*ckers for taking what's not theirs, but if you know there are bears around, it's not very smart to leave food on the driver's seat...
heh my POS car has the entire back seat filled up about 1" deep on the seat ( add in the distance from the floor to the top of the seat and you get the idea ) everything from a spare jacket to old newspapers back their and a good deal of stuff on the passagner seat also , not to mention the car is missing weather striping on one side and the paint is peeling ...
personaly i'm not woried about a theif taking the 2 amps in the trunk , sub woffer or cd player ... i doubt they would be able to find em ;)
oh , this doent stop me from removing the face plate to the raido though ..
as as for all this about good people doing minor things and getting screwed ... it's mostly greed ... and the fact that non-decent people dont give a sh-t , the simple fact is when a 3rd time felon goes to court , the lawoyers know they are not going to go all out to pay the fees , and the judge knows whatever they do will not change anything ( i still think some judges should throw away the key on some of these guys ) .. but if they can make an example of you , make some DA's resume look good , or make a layores morguage payments for the next 6 months , then decent people get screwed
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Drew,
You seem to be the resident expert on MP3s, so correct me if I'm wrong here. MP3 is a compression format, so I would expect that even though you can produce really good quality audio it won't be as good as the original CD.
indeed. mp3 is a "lossy" format. There are a few "lossless" formats out there, but if you can even FIND a player for those formats, it'll cost you, and prolly be proprietary.
I haven't tried your tutorial, but can you really get MP3s to sound indistuinguishable from the original?
unless you're an audiophile the likes of which would normally be hanging around an audiophile forum and not this one, you'd prolly be hard pressed to tell the difference between a CD and something ripped to one of the higher rates. Usually 160 and up is considered CD quality.
Oh, this kind of relates to the thread because I think that making an MP3 of a CD is just like making a tape copy. That may not matter to the copyright lawyers, I just think it's not the same as burning an exact copy of the CD.
I don't know the legalities of making a tape/cd/8 track (was it even POSSIBLE to record to 8 track?) of an album.
What I DO know is that I make a 1:1 copy of each CD I own, and only play the copied version, and stash the original in a safe place so that when my kids leave my CD's laying all over the friggen place, they aren't permanently destroying something I paid far too much money for in comparison to a cassette tape. After that, I rip each CD to my computer in mp3 for additional security and so I won't need to put in each CD while playing a song.
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I dont believe in karma, or god for that matter. its survival of the fittest. the rich will get taken from.
So you were rich. At least with drug paraphenalia. Oh, and you were flush with oregano as well. ;D
You weren't fit enough to keep your stash in a secure enough place that you'd never be found.
Congratulations. I now realize that the police, while purporting to be a "law abiding organization" are simply nothing more than the most "fit" to take from those rich from their "surviving".
And all the world said hooray ::)
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You seem to be the resident expert on MP3s, so correct me if I'm wrong here. MP3 is a compression format, so I would expect that even though you can produce really good quality audio it won't be as good as the original CD.
I haven't tried your tutorial, but can you really get MP3s to sound indistuinguishable from the original?
Oh, this kind of relates to the thread because I think that making an MP3 of a CD is just like making a tape copy. That may not matter to the copyright lawyers, I just think it's not the same as burning an exact copy of the CD.
In my opinion no MP3 will sound as good as a cd, they typically use a 5:1 compression ratio, thus removing 80% of the data to recreate the song. Although most people won't be able to tell, you lose a lot of crispness and deffintition in the high end. And I can almost guarentee you'll never notice the differance in a car, if thats where you're listening to them.
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I dont believe in karma, or god for that matter. its survival of the fittest. the rich will get taken from.
When the drugs, laziness, or a rough prison anal rape takes your life, you'll at least understand why you didn't survive.
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In my opinion no MP3 will sound as good as a cd, they typically use a 5:1 compression ratio, thus removing 80% of the data to recreate the song. Although most people won't be able to tell, you lose a lot of crispness and deffintition in the high end.
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I'll agree that most people won't be able to hear it. But I can, and I hate it. But I also work as a freelance recording engineer, thus used to listening for subleties in the music.
:-\ FREELANCE = UNEMPLOYED :-\
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Survival of the fittest? I've got that....although the darned thing wouldn't animate as my av, so I dunno how this'll show up
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Wal-mart is a huge victim for me, and look... they are in the top ten for income. hmmm... ur right, me snatching some robitussin and cds brought their downfall ::). Although I plan to do that...
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Wal-mart is a huge victim for me, and look... they are in the top ten for income. hmmm... ur right, me snatching some robitussin and cds brought their downfall ::). Although I plan to do that...
Yeah, it's funny how people gripe about how expensive things are, yet can't seem to understand why any business wouldn't pass on the security measures they pay for to the customer ::)
Maybe you've never heard how Wal-Mart started out.
Why don't you practice your teenage rebellion on the next Wal-Mart down the block, the local drugstore, and see if you feel the same.
I'm slowly coming to realize that you've never fully thought out any of your "rationalizations" or are so self-absorbed that it wouldn't matter if every box on the shelves said "Floyd10, you will die the minute you leave the store if you steal this product" - you'd view yourself as some martyr for some inane cause.
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...was it even POSSIBLE to record to 8 track...
Yep. I've got a bunch of copied 8 tracks in a box somewhere that I got from my father in law. Somehow I doubt he still has the recorder.
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OMG, I can't believe you just said that. Dude, not to rush to judgement here, but you were practically asking to have your car broken into. At least that's the attitude of both the theif and the cops.
Thats like telling a woman in a skimpy outfit she deserved to be assulted. What I leave in my car is completley irrelevent. the problem souldn't be with people who have things people want. The problem is with some peoples F :police:'d morals, thinking they have a right to take what doesn't belong to them.
There's a difference between asking for it, and deserving it. No one deserves to be raped, robbed, or killed. But it's still really stupid to walk through a dark alley in nothing but a g-string if you don't want to be three-wayed by some drunken crooks. It would also be stupid to walk into a crowd of bikers, key their bikes and kick them all in the balls if you want to live a long life.
There are some simple, basic, common sense rules you can follow to dramatically lessen the chances of your car being broken into and the contents stolen. #1 is don't leave things inside that are likely to entice someone to break in. If you really, really love something that you own, you don't display it in public in what is basically an unsecured glass case. They are still wrong if they do rob you, but I can't say I don't understand why they would do such a thing. I hate mofos that think they deserve to relieve you of your excess riches (floyd anyone?) but it's up to you to take all reasonable steps to protect yourself.
Wal Mart tries to protect itself with anti-theft devices, security guards, and cameras, so I can't say they are asking to be robbed (their prices are lower than a lot of other places, simply due to the fact that they ARE so big, so floyd's logic on ripping them off is extremely flawed....)
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they arent the only place I goto. I goto wegmans Walmart, Kmart, EBgames, Bjs, etc.
Im not destroying them, but I am making thing harder for everyone else (if thats what you wanted to hear)
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they arent the only place I goto. I goto wegmans Walmart, Kmart, EBgames, Bjs, etc.
Im not destroying them, but I am making thing harder for everyone else (if thats what you wanted to hear)
You're taking things that don't belong to you. Try to justify your actions all you like, it's still wrong from both an ethical and a legal standpoint.
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I'm bumping this up to relate a story from a friend of mine.
This is a true story, but I altered the names.
Well it seems this the Christmas of stolen property.
When mom, 92, was a little girl, her family had a "one horse open sleigh". It was called a cutter. When I first opened piano restoration business I did a complete restoration of that sleigh.
Today it was MISSING!
BUT, I found it in another's yard. The Police were called. Charges were
signed, and the low life sons a bitches were dragged away......
Then,Since the sleigh was found at the parents house, they were hauled out of work in cuffs for possessing stolen property. I loved it when they were shown
the tracks of the runners in the gravel from our house to their house.
I love it when justice is served COLD!
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This is a true story, but I altered the names.
So the woman's name wasn't really mom?
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No her real name is Mother. ;D
Actually, I left out my friends name, and the name of his business.
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No her real name is Mother.
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EXCELLENT story, thank you for sharing!
It warms my heart to think that, thanks to their kids, their entire family was able to enjoy Christmas, bringing the whole family together.........BEHIND BARS! ;D
Although if I were dragged from work in cuffs, they would probably put me back behind bars the minute I was out for beating the snot out of my kid who caused all the problems in the first place, but I'm betting these parents are the "he's trying to "express himself" sort", and won't dole out the parental punishment that is their responsibility.
Good times, these holidays!
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DrewKaree,
If this story had occured near me, I would agree with you.
But!!!!
This story occurred in Mid America farm country. There is good chance those kids will get a whoopin'!
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;D ;D
Erik, are you trying to give me my Christmas present early this year? ;)
EXCELLENT, simply EXCELLENT!