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Title: Ohh this must be bugging the music industry.
Post by: Edgedamage on April 01, 2004, 10:51:29 am
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"I cannot see a real difference between a library that places a photocopy machine in a room full of copyrighted material and a computer user that places a personal copy on a shared directory linked to a P2P service,'' von Finckenstein wrote.
Title: Re:Ohh this must be bugging the music industry.
Post by: menace on April 01, 2004, 11:11:30 am
I can see a difference (referring to the judge's quote) but I'm not going to knock his decision ;)
Title: Re:Ohh this must be bugging the music industry.
Post by: RacerX on April 01, 2004, 10:44:29 pm
That is *so* not the same thing.  Let somebody Xerox the latest Harry Potter book and drop 30 million copies out of an airplane.  Then you're getting closer to what file sharing is.

That being said, I also encourage him to continue thinking this way.   ;)
Title: Re:Ohh this must be bugging the music industry.
Post by: paigeoliver on April 01, 2004, 11:47:12 pm
No, a more apt comparison (and my opinion) is this.

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"I cannot see a real difference between a library full of copyrighted material and a computer user that places a personal copy on a shared directory linked to a P2P service".

The net result is the same, a virtually unlimited amount of people STILL get to enjoy a single copy of something.

Anyway. The library HAS CDs! I know my library will get anything you request that it doesn't have. Net result? People don't even HAVE to download anything, they can copy the entire CD from the library copy.
Title: Re:Ohh this must be bugging the music industry.
Post by: Odonadon on April 03, 2004, 12:57:23 am
That is *so* not the same thing.  Let somebody Xerox the latest Harry Potter book and drop 30 million copies out of an airplane.  Then you're getting closer to what file sharing is.

You're able to do so at the library.  Music sharing is legal.  Only difference, is you're able to share music faster.  The way I see it, if you want to make music sharing illegal, you may as well make movie sharing illegal (stop renting movies, DVD burners, VCRs, etc)

OD
Title: Re:Ohh this must be bugging the music industry.
Post by: Chris on April 04, 2004, 12:57:16 pm
Here's a hole in this comparison: You can copy only 1 page at a time at the library, at the cost of what, 15 cents per page? The music-sharing equivalent would be if someone was sharing 15-second preview clips from songs, which I'll  bet the music industry would have no problem with.  Both generally fall under fair use, in using a limited subset of the material for personal use.
Title: Re:Ohh this must be bugging the music industry.
Post by: Sephroth57 on April 07, 2004, 08:49:13 am
Here's a hole in this comparison: You can copy only 1 page at a time at the library, at the cost of what, 15 cents per page? The music-sharing equivalent would be if someone was sharing 15-second preview clips from songs, which I'll  bet the music industry would have no problem with.  Both generally fall under fair use, in using a limited subset of the material for personal use.

not really, if you really wanted to you could sit there and copy a whole book. well if i wanted to i can go to my latest warez source and download an entire 2 hour movie. itll take like 6 hours to DL but sometimes i dont care
Title: Re:Ohh this must be bugging the music industry.
Post by: Chris on April 07, 2004, 08:57:19 am
Here's a hole in this comparison: You can copy only 1 page at a time at the library, at the cost of what, 15 cents per page? The music-sharing equivalent would be if someone was sharing 15-second preview clips from songs, which I'll  bet the music industry would have no problem with.  Both generally fall under fair use, in using a limited subset of the material for personal use.

not really, if you really wanted to you could sit there and copy a whole book. well if i wanted to i can go to my latest warez source and download an entire 2 hour movie. itll take like 6 hours to DL but sometimes i dont care
Yes, but if you had to pay 15 cents per kilobyte, would you do it?  If you copy a 400 page book at .15 cents per page, it'll probably cost more than just buying the book.
Title: Re:Ohh this must be bugging the music industry.
Post by: bigmoe on April 08, 2004, 02:17:54 pm
Here's a hole in this comparison: You can copy only 1 page at a time at the library, at the cost of what, 15 cents per page? The music-sharing equivalent would be if someone was sharing 15-second preview clips from songs, which I'll  bet the music industry would have no problem with.  Both generally fall under fair use, in using a limited subset of the material for personal use.

not really, if you really wanted to you could sit there and copy a whole book. well if i wanted to i can go to my latest warez source and download an entire 2 hour movie. itll take like 6 hours to DL but sometimes i dont care

You CAN copy the whole book, but even if it was economically feasible, it doesn't make it LEGAL.  Fair use (at least for books) is pretty explicit about using just a subset.

If you OWNED the book, you might be able to make a second copy to write on or something, I'm not sure.  But unless it's a short book, again, not economically smart.

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