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Title: Atari Video Music - Needs power supply
Post by: acvieluf on July 04, 2016, 09:52:02 pm
Hey all, i am waiting on some design work and parts for my mame cab, and thought i'd get some advice from you all. 

I have had an Atari Video Music unit for a long time now, and it's always had it's "wall wart" power adapter chopped off.  The original runs 16.6v 100mA AC power.  I have found a wall wart adapter that runs that in DC power, but that's it.

I know i can run different voltages and mA, but i don't know which one can be more, and which one can be less.

Here's a YT clip, if you've never seen an Atari Video Music:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BX1LVBLUYNs (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BX1LVBLUYNs)

These are notoriously susceptible to static and electrical damage.  For all i know, it's a dead box.  But i'd still like to try.


Any suggestions? (preferably cheap, as i don't want to throw money away on something that can't work)
Title: Re: Atari Video Music - Needs power supply
Post by: chopperthedog on July 04, 2016, 09:57:18 pm
Old Peavey rack gear ran on 16v ac. bet they're cheap on amazon.



good day.
Title: Re: Atari Video Music - Needs power supply
Post by: yotsuya on July 04, 2016, 10:04:17 pm
I know their website leaves a LOT to be desired, but I'd contact these guys if I were you:

http://best-electronics-ca.com/ (http://best-electronics-ca.com/)
Title: Re: Atari Video Music - Needs power supply
Post by: ChadTower on July 05, 2016, 01:20:08 pm
The original runs 16.6v 100mA AC power.




100mA?  Can that be correct?
Title: Re: Atari Video Music - Needs power supply
Post by: Howard_Casto on July 06, 2016, 12:02:43 am
Huh.... I suppose it could be... Atari did some weird stuff with power back in the day. 

I was thinking that Ben Heck did an Atari video project a while back... maybe there is some info on his site?

Btw.... we totally want videos when it's working.  ;)
Title: Re: Atari Video Music - Needs power supply
Post by: acvieluf on July 06, 2016, 08:49:28 am
The original runs 16.6v 100mA AC power.




100mA?  Can that be correct?
Yep. Here's a close-up of an adapter.
(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160706/1e11d8e1e352e00665801752d59395f5.jpg)

Sent from my Atari 2600

Title: Re: Atari Video Music - Needs power supply
Post by: acvieluf on July 06, 2016, 08:51:15 am
Huh.... I suppose it could be... Atari did some weird stuff with power back in the day. 

I was thinking that Ben Heck did an Atari video project a while back... maybe there is some info on his site?

Btw.... we totally want videos when it's working.  ;)
Yeah, that was from January, which is awesome, cause I had never seen it before until I was looking things up for this post! It's awesome, but...he doesn't have to deal with the problem of not even HAVING an adapter. So thats step one, for me.

Sent from my Atari 2600

Title: Re: Atari Video Music - Needs power supply
Post by: Howard_Casto on July 06, 2016, 12:04:56 pm
Ok, perhaps a roundabout solution.  I got a email about a DIY benchtop power supply project:

http://www.instructables.com/id/Adjustable-High-Current-Lab-SMPS-Out-of-a-Standard/ (http://www.instructables.com/id/Adjustable-High-Current-Lab-SMPS-Out-of-a-Standard/)

Maybe you can gleem enough knowledge out of it to rig up a 16.6v 100mA  power supply.
Title: Re: Atari Video Music - Needs power supply
Post by: pbj on July 06, 2016, 12:26:05 pm
I've got a couple of weird AC/AC power supplies laying around.  I'll check my pile this evening.
Title: Re: Atari Video Music - Needs power supply
Post by: acvieluf on July 06, 2016, 12:38:31 pm
I've got a couple of weird AC/AC power supplies laying around.  I'll check my pile this evening.
Man, that would be AWESOME.

Sent from my Atari 2600

Title: Re: Atari Video Music - Needs power supply
Post by: acvieluf on July 06, 2016, 12:38:55 pm
Ok, perhaps a roundabout solution.  I got a email about a DIY benchtop power supply project:

http://www.instructables.com/id/Adjustable-High-Current-Lab-SMPS-Out-of-a-Standard/ (http://www.instructables.com/id/Adjustable-High-Current-Lab-SMPS-Out-of-a-Standard/)

Maybe you can gleem enough knowledge out of it to rig up a 16.6v 100mA  power supply.
Thanks, I'll check that out when I get home!

Sent from my Atari 2600

Title: Re: Atari Video Music - Needs power supply
Post by: ChadTower on July 06, 2016, 12:52:33 pm





AC to AC Wall Adapter Transformer 16 Volt @ 1000mA Black Straight 2.1mm Female Plug (http://www.jameco.com/z/ADU160100Z5401-AC-to-AC-Wall-Adapter-Transformer-16-Volt-1000mA-Black-Straight-2-1mm-Female-Plug_100108.html)
Title: Re: Atari Video Music - Needs power supply
Post by: acvieluf on July 06, 2016, 12:57:46 pm





AC to AC Wall Adapter Transformer 16 Volt @ 1000mA Black Straight 2.1mm Female Plug (http://www.jameco.com/z/ADU160100Z5401-AC-to-AC-Wall-Adapter-Transformer-16-Volt-1000mA-Black-Straight-2-1mm-Female-Plug_100108.html)
Sorry for the dumb question, but is it the mA that I can "overshoot?" I did this once for an old NES, but couldn't remember if it was the voltage or the milliamps.

Sent from my Atari 2600

Title: Re: Atari Video Music - Needs power supply
Post by: ChadTower on July 06, 2016, 01:04:26 pm
AC to AC Wall Adapter Transformer 16 Volt @ 1000mA Black Straight 2.1mm Female Plug (http://www.jameco.com/z/ADU160100Z5401-AC-to-AC-Wall-Adapter-Transformer-16-Volt-1000mA-Black-Straight-2-1mm-Female-Plug_100108.html)
Sorry for the dumb question, but is it the mA that I can "overshoot?" I did this once for an old NES, but couldn't remember if it was the voltage or the milliamps.

Sent from my Atari 2600




You want the voltage to be in the proper range and the amperage to be equal or greater than.  The device will pull as much juice as it needs.  Proper voltage will ensure that it cannot try to pull too much at once and thus fry something.

Title: Re: Atari Video Music - Needs power supply
Post by: pbj on July 06, 2016, 01:09:18 pm
Take a look at the schematic:

(http://www.atarimuseum.com/videogames/dedicated/videomusic/vm-sidea.jpg)
http://www.atarimuseum.com/videogames/dedicated/videomusic/vm-sidea.jpg (http://www.atarimuseum.com/videogames/dedicated/videomusic/vm-sidea.jpg)

You can bypass the AC adapter entirely and feed DC voltage to the test points on the board.  Looks like you need -9V (TP3), -5V (TP1), and +8V (TP2).  Playing with a 12V supply, some resistors, and an inverter circuit should coax all those out.



Title: Re: Atari Video Music - Needs power supply
Post by: ChadTower on July 06, 2016, 01:10:41 pm



That's a thought too if it comes down to that. 
Title: Re: Atari Video Music - Needs power supply
Post by: Howard_Casto on July 06, 2016, 01:33:17 pm
AC to AC Wall Adapter Transformer 16 Volt @ 1000mA Black Straight 2.1mm Female Plug (http://www.jameco.com/z/ADU160100Z5401-AC-to-AC-Wall-Adapter-Transformer-16-Volt-1000mA-Black-Straight-2-1mm-Female-Plug_100108.html)
Sorry for the dumb question, but is it the mA that I can "overshoot?" I did this once for an old NES, but couldn't remember if it was the voltage or the milliamps.

Sent from my Atari 2600




You want the voltage to be in the proper range and the amperage to be equal or greater than.  The device will pull as much juice as it needs.  Proper voltage will ensure that it cannot try to pull too much at once and thus fry something.

^^This^^

The question really comes down to how flexible the device is in terms of voltage.  Most things will work with a volt or two in either direction. 
Title: Re: Atari Video Music - Needs power supply
Post by: acvieluf on July 06, 2016, 04:19:07 pm
Take a look at the schematic:

(http://www.atarimuseum.com/videogames/dedicated/videomusic/vm-sidea.jpg)
http://www.atarimuseum.com/videogames/dedicated/videomusic/vm-sidea.jpg (http://www.atarimuseum.com/videogames/dedicated/videomusic/vm-sidea.jpg)

You can bypass the AC adapter entirely and feed DC voltage to the test points on the board.  Looks like you need -9V (TP3), -5V (TP1), and +8V (TP2).  Playing with a 12V supply, some resistors, and an inverter circuit should coax all those out.
https://youtu.be/KDFclOrzXeQ

Haha, I really appreciate the input. This project may take a LONG TIME to learn enough to do anything with, beyond the power adapter.

Sent from my Atari 2600

Title: Re: Atari Video Music - Needs power supply
Post by: pbj on July 06, 2016, 04:52:43 pm
Look at the bottom of the page where it says POWER.  Basically what's happening there is 14V AC is being rectified into DC current, and then chopped into the three voltages you need.  The circuit board will have three posts sticking off of it where you can measure to make sure all the proper voltages are being fed to the rest of the device.  (these test points are there for diagnostics because these circuits run hot and parts burn out)

My proposal is that you ignore the AC part of this setup, and directly connect another power supply to those test points.

Anyway, I'm pretty sure I've got either a 12V or 14V transformer laying around.  It was yanked out of a stereo.




Title: Re: Atari Video Music - Needs power supply
Post by: pbj on July 06, 2016, 08:44:21 pm
Look at what I got....

(http://i.imgur.com/9eXupBy.jpg)

 ;D

Feel comfortable wiring this up?

Title: Re: Atari Video Music - Needs power supply
Post by: acvieluf on July 06, 2016, 08:47:22 pm
Look at what I got....

(http://i.imgur.com/9eXupBy.jpg)

 ;D

Feel comfortable wiring this up?

HAHA!  I definitely deserve that.  I can wire this up.  Even with this, i'd have questions.  :lol  But i can do it! 

What do you want for it?
Title: Re: Atari Video Music - Needs power supply
Post by: pbj on July 06, 2016, 09:56:09 pm
Free.  Send me your address and I'll mail it tomorrow morning.

 :cheers:
Title: Re: Atari Video Music - Needs power supply
Post by: acvieluf on July 06, 2016, 10:23:22 pm
Free.  Send me your address and I'll mail it tomorrow morning.

 :cheers:
Wow, thanks! Pm incoming!

Sent from my Atari 2600

Title: Re: Atari Video Music - Needs power supply
Post by: yotsuya on July 06, 2016, 11:32:34 pm
That Jim is a classy guy. I tell you what, I'm sending you your stickers tomorrow.
Title: Re: Atari Video Music - Needs power supply
Post by: Howard_Casto on July 06, 2016, 11:46:42 pm
He has his moments. 

Btw.... I was thinking man, you should do a youtube channel of popular songs on the AVM, like people do with those floppy organs.  I would subscribe. 
Title: Re: Atari Video Music - Needs power supply
Post by: pbj on July 07, 2016, 09:23:08 am
Power supply is on its way to Canada.  The black and white wires are your AC input, the two blue wires are your 14V output.  I tested it and you should be good to go.

Title: Re: Atari Video Music - Needs power supply
Post by: acvieluf on July 07, 2016, 09:53:03 am
He has his moments. 

Btw.... I was thinking man, you should do a youtube channel of popular songs on the AVM, like people do with those floppy organs.  I would subscribe.
Hmmm....now that's an idea!

Sent from my Atari 2600

Title: Re: Atari Video Music - Needs power supply
Post by: pbj on August 03, 2016, 03:02:26 pm
So.... transformer arrive?
Title: Re: Atari Video Music - Needs power supply
Post by: Howard_Casto on August 03, 2016, 11:37:08 pm
Also I demand a video of this thing in action.
Title: Re: Atari Video Music - Needs power supply
Post by: acvieluf on August 04, 2016, 12:00:43 am
So.... transformer arrive?

It did!  I wasn't trying to be rude in not replying here yet.  I have been out of town off and on lately, but was planning on posting here when i got back to work on it this next week!

The TMNT magnets were awesome, what a sweet bonus!

Thanks, and i'll post a bit more when i get back.

 :cheers:
Title: Re: Atari Video Music - Needs power supply
Post by: acvieluf on September 19, 2016, 10:13:13 pm
So after the loooong delay, i was able to pick this back up.  It took me about an hour looking at the schematic, and the wiring to be confident enough to wire it up without blowing it up.  I connected it up, and viola!  No smoke or sparks!  Then i realized that the video output requires an RF adapter.  I have one kicking around, so the search is on.  Here's a pic to prove this little side project isn't dead.


Also, now that i'm sitting down with a little more time, thank you again, pbj, for the transformer and the magnets.  My 5 year old daughter (who loves ms. pac-man) nabbed your postcard before i saw it.  That took some swift "hey, look over there", type hiding. haha.

the x's and o's were a nice touch   :lol :lol
Title: Re: Atari Video Music - Needs power supply
Post by: Locke141 on September 21, 2016, 06:09:50 am
Ben Heck did a video on one (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=INnpnJvDXDg)
Title: Re: Atari Video Music - Needs power supply
Post by: pbj on September 21, 2016, 11:30:53 am
Yeah, despite all his diagnostic toosl, he just shotgun replaces a bunch of parts until it works IIRC.

Title: Re: Atari Video Music - Needs power supply
Post by: Howard_Casto on September 22, 2016, 11:27:14 pm
Eh it's a million years old. That's probably what I would have done just to be on the safe side.  I have no clue why I'm defending Ben Heck.... I'm not exactly a fan. 

I think acvieluf is trying to beat me on my slowness record.  We want vids man, pick up the pace.  ;)
Title: Re: Atari Video Music - Needs power supply
Post by: acvieluf on September 23, 2016, 07:45:00 am

I think acvieluf is trying to beat me on my slowness record.  We want vids man, pick up the pace.  ;)

Haha, yes I'm aware I'm being slow. However, I have located an RF adapter, and should be back to testing it tomorrow. Although I think a video at this point will probably be just a blank screen. Just a hunch,  :dunno

So simmer down now.  :timebomb: :lol

Sent from my Atari 2600

Title: Re: Atari Video Music - Needs power supply
Post by: acvieluf on September 25, 2016, 09:17:35 pm
Welp, as promised, an action photo.

Looks like I'm going to NEED a multimeter. I was hoping to get lucky... : /

(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160926/3638010c163093bd9030a9bde71c9d90.jpg)

Sent from my Atari 2600