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Main => Everything Else => Topic started by: ark_ader on August 20, 2013, 06:55:20 am
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I'm having a break from the arcade gaming hobby for a few months, to concentrate on getting fit and be more active. With the tablets I can kill the urge with some Namco Classics anytime, but the whole shebang is being boxed up and put into storage.
It would be nice to know if I am not alone in this thought, if the hobby is just an excuse to keep justifying buying games and parts, or just to be a part of the community or is it time to move on, as it is so accessible now on portable gear, than say 15 years ago.
Your thoughts please.
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Interesting question. I think different people are in it for different reasons. I've only built one cabinet to date and I built it principally because it looked like something that would combine a lot of different skill sets and would be a lot of fun. After the initial build, I spent a lot of time (months) just tweaking it and getting the game list down to a reasonable level. At this point the cabinet is complete and I am enjoying the playing part of the hobby. Without question, I am a gamer and what is appealing about arcade games is that they don't take a lot of time. I can play a few games and go about my business. During the spring and summer months I spend most of my time outdoors. I have a fairly large yard so that takes a lot of my time.
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IMHO, a poll doesn't work for this question, because there are two factors at play:
1. My personal situation.
2. What my opinion is regarding the hobby in general.
Answers:
1. I have two mortgages, pushing the official "Over the Hill" age. It's hard to find time to play or work on my cab. Therefore, the hobby for me is in the closet until a later time.
2. The number of arcade hardware purveyors has increased, custom or otherwise. It's really easy to find hardware at good prices, unlike 10 -15 years ago, when I had two choices to purchase a Sanwa JLF. It's easy to find fully restored classic games and fully geared mame cabs, even though the prices seem a bit high. Seems like the hobby in this regard is booming.
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Pinball is exploding nationally. Live championships are actively broadcast over the net. Locations are growing, new arcades are opening up all over, competitive play is everywhere in New England and NJ. New manufacturers are coming on line and innovation is opening way up.
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It's Game On. More vendors, more people, more choices, more ideas, and importantly more new ideas.
I think the hobby is evolving as the builds are getting better and more creative.
Americans are warming up to curved button layouts. PCBers are warming up to MAMErs.
The soil around here is fertile.
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As a hobby, I don't think original arcade game collecting has or will change much.
People will come, people will go. It's a small niche to begin with.
At least in my area, prices have taken a slide in recent years to the point that the regular semi-annual auctions have ceased.
I hear plenty of people say that there was a bubble years ago and prices are getting back down to what they should be anyway. :dunno
That core group of people who have been around for a long time aren't going anywhere.
Although linked, I consider the arcade hobby and the arcade emulator hobby two different things. I've owned a couple games in the past, but didn't know how to work on them and don't consider myself part of the arcade scene. Building stuff and getting the games working with emulators is my hobby.
I don't actually play the games much.
I keep telling myself that one day I'll be done and just enjoy the games, but part of me considers time spent playing games lost time with nothing to show for it. It's ok to do for a half hour here and there, but I'm not spending much of my free time doing it. Same goes for movies & tv. If working on something, I'm learning or improving skills.
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I wish some people near me would get out of the hobby, so I can buy their stuff cheap.
I have 6 cabs, I wish I had more. I am in the process of finishing the "basement" to be my arcade room / media room. I put basement in quotes because its not below ground level, its just a giant room behind my garage that isnt finished when they build the houses in my neighborhood.
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I think the hobby is peaking right now. Just looking at the age demographic of this forum (http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php/topic,131445.msg1347933.html#msg1347933), over 75% are between 30 and 50. This is prime age for people to get nostalgic about their youth and revisit things they grew up with.
I give it another decade or two before it slows down and eventually dies. Once this generation ages and passes on, the hobby is going to disappear for the most part.
The next generation will be all nostalgic for 'vintage' consoles like the PS3 and Xbox 360.
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Yeah, seems to be people who experienced either the arcade boom of the early 80's or the one in the 90's.
The next generation will collect ticket spewing redemption games. :P
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Just purchased my second Pin. Finally have the space (and soon the time) to actually build a cab I've been planning for over a decade. Plus the town my family recently relocated to has over 50 miles of hiking/biking trails around it, so I'm actually more active than I've been in several years.
It's game on - and not at the expense of other interests in my life.
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I have heard several people on this board say they spend more time working on their cabinets than they do playing them -- that isn't me.
I go in and out of phases, but I currently turn the cabinet on 5-10 times a week for 15-30 minute stints. It is weird; even though I currently have plenty of time to play more time consuming games, I always find it easier to turn on my arcade cabinet than to commit to more time consuming PC/console games.
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Most of my stuff has been in storage since they were pulled from service, untouched and havent seen the light of day, However I have been working the on 13 in the shop harder than I ever have... Now for playing them, Well I dont, just lost interest in them as games years ago. But the jukes make Jennifer dance to sad cheating songs every night. :dunno
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wish I had ROOM for arcade hobby lol
I wanna built some different cabinet setups but I barely have room to live :banghead:
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My wife and I just purchased our first home and now I actually have a garage to work in. So for me Its about to explode.
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Most of my stuff has been in storage since they were pulled from service, untouched and havent seen the light of day, However I have been working the on 13 in the shop harder than I ever have... Now for playing them, Well I dont, just lost interest in them as games years ago. But the jukes make Jennifer dance to sad cheating songs every night. :dunno
Does Jennifer wanna sell Malenko anything?
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I think it also depends on the phase of life you're in. When my son was born I didn't have a lot of time. In his 1-2 phase I've had a good amount of NAP time to build/Play. When he is in the 5 range I have no doubt he'll be wanting to play all the time.
As has been said above, people will come and go, but the hobby will survive because it's a creatively outlet for us and reminds us of a past we loved and enjoyed.
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As has been said above, people will come and go, but the hobby will survive because it's a creatively outlet for us and reminds us of a past we loved and enjoyed.
Until the arcade generation passes on. Then arcade machines will probably only be found in museums or the hands of the rare collector.
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As has been said above, people will come and go, but the hobby will survive because it's a creatively outlet for us and reminds us of a past we loved and enjoyed.
Until the arcade generation passes on. Then arcade machines will probably only be found in museums or the hands of the rare collector.
Thats a really good point, Kids today [the future of old arcades] compare the graphics and processors with todays new consoles.
This is a sucky graphics situation, and the old games will lose in the end.
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While it's not sitting in the garage collecting dust, both of my machines are sitting in the house collecting dust. Every now and then one machine turns on buy itself (not kidding - some weird wiring problem in the house) so I'll play an impromptu game or three of astro blaster or something. The machine I built for my daughter sadly gets no play at all. I actually think I might sell it off just to make a little more room. I'd love to play more but I've been focusing on a new business venture which not surprisingly sucks up almost all of my time. Check it out: Three Squares (http://www.beakergames.com/product/three-squares-game-the-original/).
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People appreciate good things and that seems to be both timeless and has nothing to do with actually experiencing a product/whatever when it was released.
There are still car collectors buying up and restoring cars made in the 30's and 40's although hardly any of them are old enough to have even sat in the cars when they came out, much less drove them.
If anything this hobby is "niche" now because it's just too new. The oldest machines are only around 40 years old and those aren't exactly the best examples of the spectrum either. With appliances and amusements things often have to get really old before they are appreciated simply because they are hard to find.
It is absolutely true that the community will never be as good as it is now, due to the fact that we actually played this stuff in the arcades, but it will go on.
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I agree. While the younger generation may not feel the need to have a basement full of games to recreate the "arcade feel" they never experienced in the first place they will gravitate to the arcade experiences which are timeless and fun. My son just moved into his dorm last week. His roommate has one of those "plug and play" Pac Man games and they were playing it with the door open. Next thing you know they have a room full of kids watching and cheering. Today they are hosting a Pac Man tournament in their room. The hobby will live on it just might not look the same to us.
People appreciate good things and that seems to be both timeless and has nothing to do with actually experiencing a product/whatever when it was released.
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There are still car collectors buying up and restoring cars made in the 30's and 40's although hardly any of them are old enough to have even sat in the cars when they came out, much less drove them.
While this is certainly true, cars are also a lot more ubiquitous than arcade machines.
It is absolutely true that the community will never be as good as it is now, due to the fact that we actually played this stuff in the arcades, but it will go on.
As much as I wish I could believe that, I think this hobby as we know it will be dead in two or three decades.
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kind of see it the other way around as some folks have mentioned here.
Original cabs have inflated in price so much that they are practically unattainable in my area. With the spike in prices and the realization that I'm becoming a pack rat, I've decided that it's time to get rid of much of the things i have here and get out of the hobby altogether.
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I wouldnt say they "inflated", A new cab back in the day was around 3k, [old world dollars] After a life of service they still retained a resale value.
However today its still pennies on the original dollar, At least in my area.
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kind of see it the other way around as some folks have mentioned here.
Original cabs have inflated in price so much that they are practically unattainable in my area. With the spike in prices and the realization that I'm becoming a pack rat, I've decided that it's time to get rid of much of the things i have here and get out of the hobby altogether.
One of the main guys from Penny arcade filled his garage with classics of original quality and got them for quite a bit less than what you would think. I would agree with Jennifer that it's area dependent.
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Well I'm glad the hobby is still getting the proper attention.
If I stopped collecting, maybe I would find more time playing what I have, instead of needing what I don't have.
Hopefully this break will present an opportunity.
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If anything this hobby is "niche" now because it's just too new. The oldest machines are only around 40 years old and those aren't exactly the best examples of the spectrum either.
If you count EMs we can go back nearly 100 years. Video is just a niche within the coinop hobby.
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They are totally different things though, just because they were both in the "arcade hall" doesn't mean anything. In that line of thinking though older E.M. stuff especially pre-1950's is highly collectable. It isn't a huge hobby, but neither is ours. Pinball machines, also older, also highly collectable.
You kind of proved my point actually, thanks. ;)
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what is EMs?
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what is EMs?
Electro-Mechanical.
Basically covers a ton of stuff that pre-dates discrete and CPU based machines.
For instance, anything modern is going to have a CPU as the brains.
Solid-state or discrete generally covers cabinets that never had a CPU, Computer Space (http://"http://www.arcade-museum.com/game_detail.php?game_id=7381") is a perfect example. No ROM, No CPU.
Electro-Mechanical generally predate discrete and is comprised of "mechanical" logic or gameplay. Relays, solenoids, etc. Periscope (http://"http://www.arcade-museum.com/game_detail.php?game_id=12985") is a good example.
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what is EMs?
Electro-Mechanical.
Basically covers a ton of stuff that pre-dates discrete and CPU based machines.
For instance, anything modern is going to have a CPU as the brains.
Solid-state or discrete generally covers cabinets that never had a CPU, Computer Space (http://"http://www.arcade-museum.com/game_detail.php?game_id=7381") is a perfect example. No ROM, No CPU.
Electro-Mechanical generally predate discrete and is comprised of "mechanical" logic or gameplay. Relays, solenoids, etc.
Thanks for that explanation boss man.
Related;
Someone called me the other day wanting me to turn his Computer Space (2-Player) into a MAME machine........
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what is EMs?
Electro-Mechanical.
Basically covers a ton of stuff that pre-dates discrete and CPU based machines.
For instance, anything modern is going to have a CPU as the brains.
Solid-state or discrete generally covers cabinets that never had a CPU, Computer Space (http://"http://www.arcade-museum.com/game_detail.php?game_id=7381") is a perfect example. No ROM, No CPU.
Electro-Mechanical generally predate discrete and is comprised of "mechanical" logic or gameplay. Relays, solenoids, etc.
Thanks for that explanation boss man.
Related;
Someone called me the other day wanting me to turn his Computer Space (2-Player) into a MAME machine........
Show him this, then Kill him. (http://www.computerspacefan.com/JustWronglarge.htm)
Actually, I can understand why. As sexy as the CS cabinet (as sexy as Yvette Mimieux rumored to have been I guess), the game is rather droll (I've only played the emulated version) at best. And given the age of the components and the TV inside, I'm told that it's very common for the cabs to be nothing more than just shells. I've always wanted one of those cabs, but not necessarily for the game inside.
But then again, I wouldn't MAME that particular cabinet, more out of comfort than anything else. That CP is smaller than Mimieux's :censored: not to mention that ridge around the edge.
On the upside, the CP is just a metal plate, super simple to swap out with another. :dunno
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I understand now that I know more about the background
but, the control panel is bigger on his, it is the 2-Player version
(http://www.arcade-museum.com/images/109/1097679523.jpg)
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There is one at Funspot that I play a few times every time I go there. I play it because it's there and I can. It's special.
Tell him there is a line around the corner of people waiting to give him good money plus a perfect mameworth cab for a Computer Space. Myself included.
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as sexy as Yvette Mimieux rumored to have been I guess
Yvette Hubba Hubba!
(http://www.doctormacro.com/Images/Mimieux,%20Yvette/Annex/Annex%20-%20Mimieux,%20Yvette%20(Time%20Machine,%20The)_01.jpg)
Yvette Mimieux and friend.
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Pinball is exploding nationally. . . . .
:applaud: VERY EXCITE !! :applaud:
I hope it blows up nationally. I'd love for there to be local arcades again so I can take my son when he's tall enough to play.
Don't have to wait too long!:
http://www.marcospecialties.com/pinball-parts/66-STEP (http://www.marcospecialties.com/pinball-parts/66-STEP)
(http://www.marcospecialties.com//images/products/66-STEP/detail.jpg)
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Cory, if you don't kick that dude in the nuts, I'll never speak to you again.
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Cory, if you don't kick that dude in the nuts, I'll never speak to you again.
But money.....
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Cory, if you don't kick that dude in the nuts, I'll never speak to you again.
But money.....
Hmmmmm.... maybe the wrong dude needs to be kicked in the nuts....
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The world does not need another computer space mame cab. We have been around this block before and even a tasteful conversion makes me feel dirty.
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Cory, if you don't kick that dude in the nuts, I'll never speak to you again.
But money.....
Hmmmmm.... maybe the wrong dude needs to be kicked in the nuts....
That's pretty much where this one is going to go if it continues.
Tell him to sell the Computer Space and get a cab that's viable for MAME. How happy would he really be with a 13" monitor for MAME anyway?
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---steaming pile of meadow muffin---, Cory, build him one of your standups in trade for that CS, then YOU flip it.
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People appreciate good things and that seems to be both timeless and has nothing to do with actually experiencing a product/whatever when it was released.
There are still car collectors buying up and restoring cars made in the 30's and 40's although hardly any of them are old enough to have even sat in the cars when they came out, much less drove them.
+1
Many coin op arcade games were the first of their kind, so they're a fairly unique phenom. I suspect there will be continued interest in them, just as there's continued interest in old cars like Howard mentioned or classic rock.
It might not be as high as it is today, because the nostalgia factor, but the interest will persist.
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I understand now that I know more about the background
but, the control panel is bigger on his, it is the 2-Player version
(http://www.arcade-museum.com/images/109/1097679523.jpg)
I missed that. Anyhooo visualize a set of buttons on there.
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I've just come back from Europe. In Berlin, there is the Computer Spiele Museum. They have both a working Computer Space AND Pong machine on display :woot They turn them on on Mondays, and you have to book to play them. Of course I was there on Tuesday :badmood: I did get to play that East German cab, although for some reason it had been repaired with an LCD screen. Even if it's running an emulator in there, how hard could it have been to run the CRT in it?
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Heh, and yet at Funspot in NH, there is a line of Pongs and a Computer Space on 14 hours a day. ;D
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I called the guy back to see if I could convince him to sell the Computer Space and get a different cabinet for MAME-ing.
He wasn't having any of it. He likes it a lot and said he would have restored it but it is gutted and would cost him way too much to get the board\monitor etc. So he just wants the shell to stick around in his game room.
:dunno
Whatcha gunna do in a situation like that? Well besides taking the money before he hires someone else to do it of course.....
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Historical signicicance aside, the big problem I see with Mame-ing that cab is that is just is not a fun cab to play on for most games. You have a tiny screen, hyper-angled control panel, and I think it would just feel funny playing TMNT on a cab like that. To me, the whole thing would feel as dirty as a $2 whore.
I know there was a thread here earlier about a dude who mamed his Computer Space, and he did about as much justice to it as feasibly possible. You can search for that thread to see how he did it. He made the same argument. He loved the thing but it was just a shell. It would cost too much to have it restored. I was pretty much on the fence about it, cuz I know cost is a big issue for most of the population, and when people were telling him to sell the cab off or give it to a collector, I never felt there should be any obligation of an owner to do that.
The best Idea I remember hearing, I think, was from Chad. He mentioned that it might just be the most economical to program a clone of computer space and run it on the machine through a tv mounted in there. I have never played the game, but I figure it has to be one of the easiest games in the world to program.
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There is no "monitor" in that cab. It's a generic 13" black and white TV using the antenna screw inputs. Given that you could run a Computer Space clone on anything more powerful than an abacus it's almost a no brainer to either write that app or hire someone to do it for you and run it through composite output to any 13" CRT TV.
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Actually MAME would be a good solution, like pong it is more hardwired than software.
We would have a practical use for MAME than an instrument of piracy.
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http://www.computerspacefan.com/Simulation2.htm (http://www.computerspacefan.com/Simulation2.htm)
As I've said, I played the simulated version. I did not find it particularly fun.
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The game isn't much fun. The buttons are square and they tend to get caught in the control panel because they have no collar. It's really easy to lose track of your ship because it's made up of dots thare aren't much closer than the background star dots.
I still play it every time I go to Funspot. It's a privilege to have access to a working Computer Space.
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Looks like I get to mess with it next week
Don't hate me.....
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Steal it and leave behind $500. We're talking about your immortal hobby soul here.
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Steal it and leave behind $500. We're talking about your immortal hobby soul here.
But he is going to put a 60-1 board in it......
I figure I could at least put the Computer Space game on there
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tell him you'll take the computer space cab, and knock $XX off building him a machine. Im sure you can sell the shell for $XX to one of these people giving you ---steaming pile of meadow muffin--- for converting it. XX being a value of your choice.
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tell him you'll take the computer space cab, and knock $XX off building him a machine. Im sure you can sell the shell for $XX to one of these people giving you ---steaming pile of meadow muffin--- for converting it. XX being a value of your choice.
Can I sell it for three X's?, two X's doesn't sound like enough.
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maybe and X and a Y, but 3 X is just being greedy.
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I love you, Cory, but wear a cup if I ever meet you.
Did you explain to him that the 60-in-1 is vertical, and that the cutout on that thing is for a horizontal monitor?
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maybe and X and a Y, but 3 X is just being greedy.
hehe
Did you explain to him that the 60-in-1 is vertical, and that the cutout on that thing is for a horizontal monitor?
No because I was not aware of that, never touched one in my life. MAME all the way! He didn't say 60-1, just multi game board and I told him how crap those usually are.
Look, main thing is this guy wants the cabinet shell in his house. I told him already that I probably know some people that would be interested in buying it and then he can just buy one of my pre-made machines. But he was not having any of that.
He said if he could afford it he would restore it, but said it would cost him around $8k.
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I love you, Cory, but wear a cup if I ever meet you.
(http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_macomtMIS01rxevt4o1_500.gif)
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tell him you'll take the computer space cab, and knock $XX off building him a machine. Im sure you can sell the shell for $XX to one of these people giving you ---steaming pile of meadow muffin--- for converting it. XX being a value of your choice.
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aaaaand therein lies the problem. All these Klov commandos saying save the poor computer space shell for posterity, then when you post it up for sale, you hear crickets chirping. Don't count on being able to sell it for all that much unless it's gloriously complete and perfect. Otherwise it's lowballer city if anything.
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Well, given that it's just the shell, and there's no boards or anything too, it's not as bad. But with a cabinet like that, there's just something inherently wrong with anything but the original game.
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Find the man a cheaper way to restore the thing for like $3k - $4k and I will take that information to him. But he seems to know his stuff when it comes to this machine.
And yea it is just a shell, missing everything. No screen, no controls, no game board, no wires.
Also, I wont have to do much besides providing the screen and computer system with MAME and a a decent front end installed. Setting all the crap up. Apparently he works in some kind of fabrication business or something (can't remember) which he said allows him to make parts for it that look stock. I dunno, whatever floats his boat I suppose.
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Find the man a cheaper way to restore the thing for like $3k - $4k and I will take that information to him. But he seems to know his stuff when it comes to this machine.
And yea it is just a shell, missing everything. No screen, no controls, no game board, no wires.
Also, I wont have to do much besides providing the screen and computer system with MAME and a a decent front end installed. Setting all the crap up. Apparently he works in some kind of fabrication business or something (can't remember) which he said allows him to make parts for it that look stock. I dunno, whatever floats his boat I suppose.
Flippers.com has one they will sell you restored for $5k, so your friend might be prone to hyperbole.
Just don't give him this:
(http://www.brentradio.com/images/HellcadeAll/ComputerSpace2MsPacman.jpg)
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No worries, I wont be sharing what happens to the CS if I end up modifying it......
:scared
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Find the man a cheaper way to restore the thing for like $3k - $4k and I will take that information to him. But he seems to know his stuff when it comes to this machine.
If he knew his stuff he wouldn't need someone to MAME it for him.
Where is it located? Just curious. I'd love to buy a CS shell.
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No worries, I wont be sharing what happens to the CS if I end up modifying it......
:scared
No, post it. I'd like to see it. ;D
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Find the man a cheaper way to restore the thing for like $3k - $4k and I will take that information to him. But he seems to know his stuff when it comes to this machine.
If he knew his stuff he wouldn't need someone to MAME it for him.
Meant knew his stuff about the CS machine
Lives near the Sacramento area, maybe outlying areas, don't remember.
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tell him you'll take the computer space cab, and knock $XX off building him a machine. Im sure you can sell the shell for $XX to one of these people giving you ---steaming pile of meadow muffin--- for converting it. XX being a value of your choice.
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aaaaand therein lies the problem. All these Klov commandos saying save the poor computer space shell for posterity, then when you post it up for sale, you hear crickets chirping. Don't count on being able to sell it for all that much unless it's gloriously complete and perfect. Otherwise it's lowballer city if anything.
That was exactly my point :)
I personally think the game sucks and the shell is weird. If you do mod it, I'd like to see the end result too.
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Word.
I will show it, I can take the hate :angel:
(haven't received the machine yet though so don't hold your breath)
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tell him you'll take the computer space cab, and knock $XX off building him a machine. Im sure you can sell the shell for $XX to one of these people giving you ---steaming pile of meadow muffin--- for converting it. XX being a value of your choice.
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aaaaand therein lies the problem. All these Klov commandos saying save the poor computer space shell for posterity, then when you post it up for sale, you hear crickets chirping. Don't count on being able to sell it for all that much unless it's gloriously complete and perfect. Otherwise it's lowballer city if anything.
That was exactly my point :)
I personally think the game sucks and the shell is weird. If you do mod it, I'd like to see the end result too.
Whether or not the shell is weird is beside the point. The problem is that the original owner probably thinks he's sitting on a goldmine and wouldn't sell the shell to anyone for a reasonable amount, especally if he's telling Cory it would cost him $8k to restore it. There are people that WOULD take it on, but his asking price would probably be insane.
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thats why I only put 2 Xs in the price, I originally had $50 there, but I wanted to turn it into an algebra problem.
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Find the man a cheaper way to restore the thing for like $3k - $4k and I will take that information to him. But he seems to know his stuff when it comes to this machine.
If he knew his stuff he wouldn't need someone to MAME it for him.
Meant knew his stuff about the CS machine
Lives near the Sacramento area, maybe outlying areas, don't remember.
I'll kick him for you then. With my luck he's probably in South Sac or worse, Arden Arcade. At least he's not in Stockton.
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Heh, and yet at Funspot in NH, there is a line of Pongs and a Computer Space on 14 hours a day. ;D
Bet you didn't play POLY PLAY though :)
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I have noticed a dip in finish builds lots of pages on here of projects announced but not many updates,owning a gaming website and podcast this time of year can be very slow for gaming.
It's hard to sit inside when the suns out and people want to do stuff.
But with the year coming to a end the winters coming people will be getting out their plans and hitting garages,and at nights with the new consoles coming game nights will be filling up.
(http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f225/imlived/imageedit_5_9062874812fggfgfgfg.gif) (http://"http://www.customcades.com/")
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Load the cs on a truck bed, and video it falling off the back on to the freeway. You will be famous on YouTube and that dude will not get his bastardized cabinet.
Simples.
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Mount a 32" LCD where the CP goes, put a CP in the original screen area, add some LEDs, and mount the sucker with the base on a wall, sticking out like a big gaming phallus. Just make sure and add some exer-balls to sit on while you play to complete the look. Sell for a bajillion dollars as pop art!
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Mount a 32" LCD where the CP goes, put a CP in the original screen area, add some LEDs, and mount the sucker with the base on a wall, sticking out like a big gaming phallus. Just make sure and add some exer-balls to sit on while you play to complete the look. Sell for a bajillion dollars as pop art!
SWEOMS!
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mount the sucker with the base on a wall, sticking out like a big gaming phallus.
:laugh2: