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Arcade Collecting => Miscellaneous Arcade Talk => Topic started by: KeithPuetz on November 01, 2012, 10:09:04 am
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How rare is Wacko? Anyone know?
How much should one pay for one?
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Someone's been looking at CL... :D
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Lol, yup. Really cool dude, he is holding it for me.
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FWIW, I've never seen one in the wild. Maybe someone else could comment on its rarity.
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Wacko - Dedicated upright game $350-$550. Collector price.
www.arcade-classics.com (http://www.arcade-classics.com)
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Are there really only 2 in the united states, is that true? There is no way, right?
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Are there really only 2 in the united states, is that true? There is no way, right?
No, that's not true.
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You better not MAME that son of a ---smurfette---!
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Oh you know I am! Disco lights, I'm going to put roller skate shoes on the feet so it looks like a person! Maybe put a Fleshlight in there for those late nights of gaming where i am too lazy to spank it. A fridge door with beer where the coin door was going to be. An aquarium that you can see from the sides of the machine. And when there is a party, I am going to flip it over and there will be hole cut outs for beer pong!
Haha, nah, I'm not.
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Maybe put a Fleshlight in there
:scared
(http://i.imgur.com/b5O0A.jpg)
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Lmao.
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Oh you know I am! Disco lights, I'm going to put roller skate shoes on the feet so it looks like a person! Maybe put a Fleshlight in there for those late nights of gaming where i am too lazy to spank it. A fridge door with beer where the coin door was going to be. An aquarium that you can see from the sides of the machine. And when there is a party, I am going to flip it over and there will be hole cut outs for beer pong!
Haha, nah, I'm not.
:laugh2:
:cheers:
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There is a Wacko at Funspot and another on location at Pinball Wizard in Pelham, NH.
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Phetishboy on KLOV owns one... so there's 4 already....
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My understanding is Wacko is one of those games that is only specifically sought after by a few people. It is uncommon, but not rare, and a unique cab.
In my opinion, it is my kind of cab. The kind that the average person has never heard of, but when you have them over and they give it a play, it is cool and unique enough that they feel like they discovered a hidden treasure. 8)
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Yeah I bought it. For 250. Has some monitor problems.
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That game would look just fine with a 4:3 LCD run by a signal converter. Probably easier than fighting a 25 year old CRT here.
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CRT looks newer. Matter of fact, a lot of love when into this arcade. The entire bottom was rebuilt. I think I got lucky with this purchase. The game is pretty sweet, I am surprised it's not more popular.
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Yeah, the game is pretty good once you get the hang of it. It gets hard fast, too. I spent a lot of time on it in the ACAM tourney this year. Wacko and Mr Do's Wild Ride were the two I cursed the most this time around.
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What monitor problems is it having?
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It's really weird. May be multiple problems. Maybe even a board problem.
I get this weird line going down the middle. And other times when it messes up the screen shakes and I the screen looks weird, like it's stuck only in certain spots and my guy and monsters will disapear when they go to those areas of the screen.
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That sure sounds like a board problem.
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when characters walk over the white line it doesnt effect them.
Also the speakers mess up too when the monitor messes up, could that be from the board too. Or do you think this thing might have three problems?
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Start with the power supply and work forward from there. May as well start at the beginning.
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You're a power supply!
I am thinking about replacing the PCB for a programmable pcb jamma thing, and put all the trackball games. I won't alter the CP in anyway, I'll just pray the programmable PCBs let me use the second joystick as buttons. That would be pretty cool!
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It would work, since to the PCB the joystick is just four switches anyway, but that seems like a super awkward way to play anything.
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If you're going to do that, just flip it.
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If you're going to do that, just flip it.
This.
If you want to play trackball games, get a cab better suited for that (e.g. with appropriately trackball wiring for the board you want to use) and less blasphemous for butchering.
Wait, haven't I said this to you before ?
::)
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You should post your idea on KLOV. I'm sure you'd get lots of feedback.
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Lol! I have a vision people!
Maro Bros (personal favorite cabinet)
2 payer arcade machine (DOUBLE 8 WAY JOYSTICKS FOR ROBOTRON AND NO TRACKBALL) That has an intense focus on Console Games.
(With every console controller. Well, atleast N64 controllers and Xbox controllers)
Than I was either going to Mame a tron into a spinner cade. But those are EXPENSIVE. And I don't want to destroy a cabinet if I don't have too!
Wacko looks just about as cool as Tron (IN MY OPINION!) and it needs a pcb replacement so no harm in chaning it out, I have to anyway, and like I stated I don't want to ruin a cabinet and I wont have to if I keep the CP the way its originally meant to be.
And I tried it out (imagined the joystick was buttons) and it's not awkward at all. I thought it was pretty cool. Sure some games will feel better than others, but my real goal here is to get what I can without making any modifications to the cabinet at all. Most spinner games don' have buttons anyways right? Milipede and centipede have one, but I believe that's about it, right?
Lol, no I will never flip this cabinet, if that means Mame it.
I don't think Klov will care if I switch out the pcb, especially since it's already having some issues.
Than eventually I will make an arcade for driving games. (preferablly Burnout franchise)
Maybe a Beer Tapper. Love that cade, and it has unique controls so I am totally down for it. Don't worry guys! I wont put a programmable pcb in it or make any modifications to it either.
Goal: Using my favorite looking arcade machines, each with it's own set of unique controls, running all games.
This saves money in the end, space, and they will look bad ass.
To Chef:
Will the Wacko trackball not work for the progammable jama pcb?
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Lol, no I will never flip this cabinet, if that means Mame it.
I don't think Klov will care if I switch out the pcb, especially since it's already having some issues.
No ... flip it means sell it to somebody who will actually restore it rather than kill it.
Wrong ... KLOVers would KILL you for what you propose.
To Chef:
Will the Wacko trackball not work for the progammable jama pcb?
Why do you think I mentioned it ? You can probably make it work, but have to add new encoders and a new harness.
Classic cabinets typically do not have plug and play swappable components -- you need to do a ton more research before making your plans.
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They would kill me for switching out the broken pcb for a programmable one?
???
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KLOV has hitmen in every state in the US as well as in Canada and most of Europe...
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When I posted that I had an original ms pac cab with vinyl sideart, jamma board and harness, a red X was chalked on my mailbox and the shades are always pulled on the house across the street. Be careful what you do and think before you post.
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Ever since I unveiled my plan theres been a midget in a trenchcoat following me around.. Should I be concerned?
...He followed me home
And I also noti
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How do you know the PCB is messed up? Have you reseated chips? Cleaned pins? Done any basic troubleshooting?
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I will try it! So, can you send me links to all the steps and procesdures you suggest I try?
If all of it fails, I will go with the programmable pcb.
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You're a member at KLOV - start a thread there describing your issues and request help. Take photos of the PCB and post them. It's a great resource.
You might find someone there who can repair your board for less than it would cost to buy the ArcadeSD.
And you sure have been spending a lot of cash for someone who didn't want to invest in his initial control panel... :dunno
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None of this going to happen anytime soon. I am broke like a joke, I didn't even make rent because I bought the cade. But it's rare, so I don't mind too much.
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None of this going to happen anytime soon. I am broke like a joke, I didn't even make rent because I bought the cade. But it's rare, so I don't mind too much.
Bro, I mean this with all sincerity, if it's between rent and a cab, pick rent every time. You can't sleep in a cab. That Wacko's not going to magically zoom up in value any time soon, making you a millionaire.
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You can't sleep in a cab.
It might be possible. It's pretty warm inside a cab, too, once the monitor works.
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Sleeping in a Wacko probably wouldn't be good for your spine.
Seriously, Keith, pay your rent. Don't get to the point where you need to chop the cab up for firewood.
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Yeah I hear ya.
Can't find a Wacko PCB any where! And I can't find any programmable PCB to replace it with either, the only I can find is from PhoenixArcade and they don't support the game Wacko and don't plan on to ever supporting it. This stinks..
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If you've really gotta play wacko, just install a pc and reversibly mame it. Arcade vga card for the monitor and optiwiz for the trackball interface, and Bob's your uncle. then if the PCB ever gets repaired or replaced, reverse it and you're allowed to post on Klov again.
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And bobs my uncle ???
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Meh ... first question should be "is there a programmable board that will play Wacko".
Then you can evaluate non-intrusive options (because you are going to have to rewire the trackball).
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Keith-
Did you try seeing if someone at KLOV does Wacko repairs? It's a Bally/Midway game, someone might.
Try this thread. It's old, but not resolved:
http://forums.arcade-museum.com/showthread.php?t=148990&highlight=Wacko+PCB (http://forums.arcade-museum.com/showthread.php?t=148990&highlight=Wacko+PCB)
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Sell it to someone who will fix it.
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Or trade it for a less Wacky game that can be more easily mamed.
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Flip it and Get into ping pong.
Can't go wrong with Ping pong?
Sent from my iPhonophonoponononon.
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I decided to blow it up with dynamite. :blowup:
And dance around it :gobama
Considering all options right now. (BESIDES BLOWING IT UP!)
I am in no rush, I am working on my other cade right now and I am broke.
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REPAIR THE BOARD
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Yes, sir!
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Hell. I may just flip it..
I just found S.A.M.I. on Craigslist for 500 dollars..
And.. There is a U-Boat arcade machine that is practically new (there was a warehouse found with a bunch of new ones recently)
Trying to figure out which one is more my style.
Would like some input from you guys.
I am afraid one of those may be so old when something does go wrong (inevitable) that the piece would be so old that it would be irreplaceable.
Video games are cool and all. But S.A.M.I. is a masterpiece.
U-Boat sounds great too, especially because it's similar and it's brand new and selling at close to the same price.
Does anyone know any more information on it. All I can find is that little page on KLOV. No real pictures or video or anything. Can't find anything on youtube about it either.
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Make this guy an offer. He used a larger font. Clearly he's serious.
http://phoenix.craigslist.org/wvl/fod/3390803085.html (http://phoenix.craigslist.org/wvl/fod/3390803085.html)
Scratch that. Did you take care of the rent first? I worry about you, man. MAME machines and dedicated machines are beasts of a different nature.
I just found those machines you were looking at (they're listed for $600, btw). Honestly, if you can't fix a Wacko, what makes you think you can fix one of those old EM games if they break down? It's your money, my friend, but I would urge you to resist the temptation.
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Keith, please don't get distracted by dedicated machines until you finish your Mario Bros MAME...
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Make this guy an offer. He used a larger font. Clearly he's serious.
http://phoenix.craigslist.org/wvl/fod/3390803085.html (http://phoenix.craigslist.org/wvl/fod/3390803085.html)
Scratch that. Did you take care of the rent first? I worry about you, man. MAME machines and dedicated machines are beasts of a different nature.
I just found those machines you were looking at (they're listed for $600, btw). Honestly, if you can't fix a Wacko, what makes you think you can fix one of those old EM games if they break down? It's your money, my friend, but I would urge you to resist the temptation.
I can fix Wacko. But since it's the pcb that is broken I figured I would just put all the spinner games on it while I'm at it.
I am capable of fixing Wacko, I am, it's just I thought the idea I just mentioned was better suited for my wants.
Since I am capable of fixing these machines (not personally), I am not TOO concerned about getting S.A.M.I.
To Neph:
I know! Have you ever seen that game before? It's soo COOL! *DROOL*
Hahaha! Don't worry, I'll stay focused on getting the parts for the CP. Still awaiting Rick, he says he working on it but that was a day and a half ago.
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Why do I feel like we are being trolled ?
I can think of another Arizonian BYOACer who mistook trackball for spinner and am wondering if this is yet another alter ego ...
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I can think of another Arizonian BYOACer who mistook trackball for spinner and am wondering if this is yet another alter ego ...
Really? Before my time (Summer 2010)?
(http://imgur.com/tCp90.gif)
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How does it seem like I am trolling?
I am obviously doing everything I am saying.
I don't know what you're talking about ???
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http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=no&tl=en&u=http://www.npolar.no/no/om-oss/norsk-polarinstitutt-i-sor/troll.html
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This thread is a bit confusing, so maybe I missed that, but did you really determine that the board is broken?
Can’t find any information about any performed troubleshooting, like verifying all voltages etc.
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Never did any trouble shooting before, I was never pointed in the right direction to do so.
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Never did any trouble shooting before, I was never pointed in the right direction to do so.
In the upper right-hand corner there's a box called Search. Type in PCB testing. You're welcome.
Also, do the same thing at the KLOV forums. Double welcome.
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He needs to start at the power supply. Not the PCB. Power supply is first in troubleshooting.
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He needs to start at the power supply. Not the PCB. Power supply is first in troubleshooting.
I know that, and you know that, but... I mean..... :banghead:
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...but we're trying to tell him where to start, yes? :)
He can search on PCB troubleshooting all day and it won't do him a minute's good if he's not getting proper voltages to begin with. His symptoms make me suspect the power supply is at least one of the problems.
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I don't know this stuff like it's on the back of my hand like more than half of you in here.
I am simply posting here to make sure I do all this right, that's all...
I like the machine, I may keep it, and if I do, I'll probably fix the board AND get a VGA reversably mame it.
Than there will be no damage done, I'll be fixing it if anything, and I'll get what I want out of it.
I'll start with the power supply and work my way up.
I don't know what you replace after the power supply. But I'll type in "Trouble Shooting PCB" in the search bar.
See, I know how to use the search bar..
Sorry asking how to trouble shoot the PCB frusterated you Yotsu, I was asking if someone had a preferred resource, I am sure some ARE better than others...
I'll stop asking questions about this, and when I have time to fix this thing, I will just use the search bar so no one gets frusterated?
Now everyone happy? :-\
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Sigh. Well, I tried.
:P
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I'm listening..
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He can search on PCB troubleshooting all day and it won't do him a minute's good if he's not getting proper voltages to begin with. His symptoms make me suspect the power supply is at least one of the problems.
If you read his posts, he's convinced it's the PCB. I'd at least like to point him in the right direction as far as finding info. He can learn for himself if he's wrong. But yes, you did try! :P
Keith, Chad is probably right. Case in point- I have an Atari Asteroids that kept rebooting the other day. I knew the PCB worked, so I tweaked the Voltage Output knob just a tiny bit- now it works with no issue. Go to KLOV or look here and search for power suppy testing.
And KLOV and BYOAC ARE the preferred resources... but you've been told that. That's where the headbanging comes in to play. I ready KLOV regularly and haven't seen you post a repair thread there. There are guys there that can help. Just ask. :cheers:
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Start HERE (http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php/topic,68787.0.html). You are going to verify the voltages on your power supply. There is no point in doing anything else until this is verified as good.
The answer is not to replace the power supply. It is to fix the power supply.
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Start HERE (http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php/topic,68787.0.html). You are going to verify the voltages on your power supply. There is no point in doing anything else until this is verified as good.
The answer is not to replace the power supply. It is to fix the power supply.
Good link. Keith, there's a Harbor Freight on 35th and Bethany. You can probably get a decent multimeter for cheap if you don't have one already.
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My experience is also that a bad PSU is the root cause for many game board issues. The 5 Volt is very critical for all game logics, and it draws a significant current. So bad wiring can also be the issue.
So this what I would do:
* measure the voltages at the PSU without the game board connected (to make sure there is no major problem)
* measure the voltages at the game board, since there could be a huge voltage drop in bad wiring
Most games need to be within 4.9 to 5.1 V in order to operate properly. But that can vary a lot, so don’t see that as the only truth, just a general guideline. Bad wiring/connectors is usually causing resistance, and resistance causes voltage drop (Ohms law). So there could be one or two volts being waste from the PSU to the game board.
Usually there are also reference points at the game board that should be verified for correct voltages. Else you could measure the VCC pin at any random logic IC.
If all voltages are correct, my next step would be to check all socketed IC’s. Eroded pins can be the issue or just some glitch that could be solved by reseating them.
I would also look for bad soldering at the bottom side of the game board.
That should give you something to start with. There are plenty of us that would be happy to help you, preserving this (or any) game.
But yes, the Search function should also be used. Nobody at the forums like people coming from nowhere asking “My car doesn’t start, what is the problem?” without specifying any details of the problem nor the model of the car etc. ;)
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This wacko machine is for sale if anybody is interested - lost job
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Ah, ---steaming pile of meadow muffin---. sorry to hear that, dude.
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Not surprising really.
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Yup, yup, this country is going to ---steaming pile of meadow muffin---.
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I saw a whacko at the pinball hall of fame in Vegas last year. It seems like a great game to mame. With just a couple buttons, you could probably play quite a handful of games with good controls.
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You're kidding, right? I can't think of too many games that would feel right on that slanted control panel.
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You're kidding, right? I can't think of too many games that would feel right on that slanted control panel.
.........while sober.
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I played a Wacko on location last night in honor of this thread. :cheers:
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You're kidding, right? I can't think of too many games that would feel right on that slanted control panel.
Including WHACKO? That game was only a novelty to begin with. The play is weak and the controls really do lend themselves to a number of better games. I personally think it would get a lot more utility playing Robotron, smashTV and Missile command.